Ebay scam or legit?

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"Mikey" <novamusic@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> Scam or real? What think you? Has anyone ever gotten one of these? Did
> you follow up? Did it work out? Please post to group and not
> privately.


This can happen often.... usually if the high bidder flakes out and your bid
is close enough to satisfy the seller. The other common occasion is if the
seller has multiple items and your bid again satisfies his desired income.

I wouldn't handle it any way other than totally through e-Bay communication
channels. The second chance offer should take you back to the original
listing. Read up on e-Bay about the second chance offer, but I'm guessing
this would be legitimate... I wouldn't complete a transaction unless it was
done totally within the boundaries of e-Bay... not directly to an e-mail addy.

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David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
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"Nathan West" <natewest@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Mikey wrote:
>
>> The seller has issued this Second Chance Offer
>> because either the winning bidder was unable to complete the
>> transaction.
>
> Ebay doesn't make grammatical mistakes like this sentence has when
> sending out official business email. Big red flag to me.
>
>> If you accept this offer, you will be able to exchange
>> Feedback with the seller and will be eligible for eBay services
>> associated with a transaction, such as fraud protection. To purchase
>> this item, don't reply to this mail, just contact the seller at
>> x@aol.com. --
>
> I've never heard of a *Second Chance Offer*. My experience has been
> that if a winning bidder drops out, Ebay will let you repost the
> auction for free. I would write Ebay and ask if this is legit.

Or just ask google...


http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/personal_offer.html

counterpoint:

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/ [...] _ebay.html

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On 2004-12-03, David Morgan (MAMS) <mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote:

> This can happen often.... usually if the high bidder flakes out and your bid
> is close enough to satisfy the seller. The other common occasion is if the
> seller has multiple items and your bid again satisfies his desired income.

Also, sometimes reserve auctions will end without a winning bid, and the
seller might have second thoughts about his reserve.

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If yov are concerned that the offer is a scam, forward the email to
spoof@ebay.com and they will confirm whether or not the message
actvally came from ebay. The second chance offer has been vsed as a
scam many times.

Al

On 3 Dec 2004 09:08:49 -0800, novamvsic@hotmail.com (Mikey) wrote:

>Hi folks,
>I recently made my first ever bid on Flea-bay and came in 2nd. After
>the avction ended, I got this email from 'aw-confirm@ebay.com" (I've
>edited names & #s only):
>============
>
>Please do not reply to this email as yov will not receive a response.
>This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding
>system.
>
>Message From eBay Member
>
> If this email is an offer to directly sell yov an item withovt
>bidding on and winning the item on eBay, please report it to vs
>immediately and do not respond. An offer to sell an item directly to
>another eBay member throvgh email violates eBay rvles. It is also
>extremely vnsafe to pvrchase an item throvgh this email system
>regardless of the seller's claims or feedback, as yov lose the benefit
>of eBay's pvrchase protection programs and risk losing yovr money.
>
>Never pay for yovr eBay item throvgh instant cash transfer services
>svch as Western Union or MoneyGram. Svch services offer Internet
>shoppers no protection against fravd.
>
>Dear z,
>
>***Do not reply to this email . Contact the seller at this e-mail
>address : x@aol.com *** Yov expressed interest in an item titled "xxx"
>(Item xxx) by bidding, however the avction has ended with another
>member as the high bidder. In compliance with eBay policy, the seller
>of that item is making this Second Chance Offer to yov at yovr bid
>price of US $x.00 . The seller has issved this Second Chance Offer
>becavse either the winning bidder was vnable to complete the
>transaction. If yov accept this offer, yov will be able to exchange
>Feedback with the seller and will be eligible for eBay services
>associated with a transaction, svch as fravd protection. To pvrchase
>this item, don't reply to this mail, jvst contact the seller at
>x@aol.com. Thank yov, eBay, Inc ***Do not reply to this email .
>Contact the seller at this e-mail address : x@aol.com ***
>
>Please respond to the qvestion on eBay by clicking the bvtton below.
>
>Thank yov,
>y
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>eBay treats yovr personal information with the vtmost care, and ovr
>Privacy Policy is designed to protect yov and yovr information. eBay
>will never ask their vsers for personal information, svch as bank
>accovnt nvmbers, credit card nvmbers, pin nvmbers, passwords, or
>Social Secvrity nvmbers in an email. For more information on how to
>protect yovr eBay password and yovr accovnt, please visit User Accovnt
>Protection.
>
>This eBay notice was sent to novamvsic@access4less.net based on yovr
>eBay accovnt preferences and in accordance with ovr Privacy Policy. To
>change yovr notification preferences, click here. If yov wovld like to
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>
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>=======
>
>Scam or real? What think yov? Has anyone ever gotten one of these? Did
>yov follow vp? Did it work ovt? Please post to grovp and not
>privately.
>
>Thanks a heap,
>
>Mikey
>Nova Mvsic Prodvctions

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On 3 Dec 2004 09:08:49 -0800, novamusic@hotmail.com (Mikey) wrote:


> If this email is an offer to directly sell you an item without
>bidding on and winning the item on eBay, please report it to us
>immediately and do not respond.<snip>Dear z,
>
>***Do not reply to this email . Contact the seller at this e-mail
>address : x@aol.com *** You expressed interest in an item titled "xxx"
>(Item xxx) by bidding, however the auction has ended with another
>member as the high bidder. In compliance with eBay policy, the seller
>of that item is making this Second Chance Offer to you at your bid
>price of US $x.00 . The seller has issued this Second Chance Offer
>because either the winning bidder was unable to complete the
>transaction. If you accept this offer, you will be able to exchange
>Feedback with the seller and will be eligible for eBay services
>associated with a transaction, such as fraud protection. To purchase
>this item, don't reply to this mail, just contact the seller at
>x@aol.com. Thank you, eBay, Inc ***Do not reply to this email .
>Contact the seller at this e-mail address : x@aol.com *** <snip>

This is a scam. SleazeBay does offer sellers a chance to go to the
second high bidder if the top bidder flakes for any reason, and they
call it "Second Chance." Frauders are mimmicking the sleazeBay HTML
mailing, adding language to have the runner up email them directly,
not through sleazeBay's own message server. This is an attempt to
evade sleazeBay's seller's fees. Report them, since they're obviously
running a scam.

dB

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"Nathan West" <natewest@nc.rr.com> wrote in message...

> I've never heard of a *Second Chance Offer*. My experience has been that if a
> winning bidder drops out, Ebay will let you repost the auction for free. I would
> write Ebay and ask if this is legit.


I have both bought and sold using "second chance offer". It's easily viewable
(if you are selling an item) as the very first option in the seller's "Action" menu
on your "My e-Bay page", along with "sell similar", "send invoice", "relist", etc..

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/se [...] offer.html


DM

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Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<41B0E85D.A23CF06E@hotmail.com>...
> Mikey wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> > I recently made my first ever bid on Flea-bay and came in 2nd. After
> > the auction ended, I got this email from 'aw-confirm@ebay.com" (I've
> > edited names & #s only):
> > ============
>
> The email should originate from 2ndchanceoffer@ebay.com.
>
> It should also link to ebay's site directly to process the transaction. This looks
> like a scam to me.
>
> Here is a *genuine* example of a 2nd chance offer. Note the different text.
>
>
> Dear xxxxxx,
>
> You expressed interest in an item titled MP3/CD/MD CAR CASSETTE ADAPTER! FREE P+P!
> by bidding, however the auction has ended with another member as the high bidder.
> In compliance with eBay policy, the seller, theledhead is making this Second Chance
> Offer to you at your bid price of £5.19.
>
> The seller has issued this Second Chance Offer because either the winning bidder was
> unable to complete the transaction or the seller has duplicate items for sale.
>
> If you accept this offer, you will be able to exchange Feedback with the seller and
> will be eligible for eBay services associated with a transaction, such as fraud
> protection.
>
> This offer expires Friday, 23 Jan, 2004 22:54:44 GMT. To purchase this item, click
> the "Buy It Now" button located at the bottom of the following page:
> http://cgi3.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBay [...] 073173824.
>
> If you want to ask the seller a question before making the purchase, follow the link
> above and click the "Ask Seller A Question" link on the item page.
>
> To learn more about Second Chance Offer go to:
> http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/sell/personal_offer.html
>
> Thank you,
>
> eBay, Inc.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> You selected to receive this email notification when you registered. If you do not
> want to receive these offers in the future, click here
> <http://cgi3.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?OptinLoginShow&filter=0>. You will be
> asked to log in. Then, click on the check box next to Second Chance Offer Notice.
>
> Remember: eBay will not ask you for sensitive personal information (such as your
> password, credit card and bank account numbers, etc.) in an email.
>
> Copyright 2004 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are
> the property of their respective owners.


Thanks guys, and here's an update. What 'red-flagged' it to me is the
fact that the 1st "2nd chance offer" came in almost immediately after
the auction closed. It seemed too fast to be legit. Also, I got a
second "offer" just yesterday - looks identical - from a different
email address in the UK. So based on your posts, I'm thinking that:

a) there IS such a thing as a real 2nd chance offer thru EBay (reserve
was met)
b) this one & it's brother ain't legit

I'll file a fraud report. Thanks again to all for saving my christmas
dough. I was tempted for about 1/2 second.

Mikey Wozniak
Nova Music Productions
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