popless switch

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In article <10rdf8686ha7uf8@corp.supernews.com> scrednoapame@hotmail.com writes:

> Hi I am using a patch bay to feed my monitors.I can run a radio station
> through them to hear various songs and also switch over to the computer to
> check mixes.but the static and pops are going to kill the speakers I
> think( even though I turn them offwhen changing,I still have to adjust the
> 1/4 jacks if they are not seated properly to hear the speakers)

You're dealing with three problems here:

1. Even when you turn off your speakers (I guess those are "the
mackikes" you referred to later) there is some charge remaining in the
power supply capacitors and they will continue to work at least a
little for several seconds. Leave them off for at least half a minute
before patching them and you'll have no problems.

2. When you "hot patch" you will introduce clicks, and perhaps short
bursts of hum. This is why you should turn off, or turn down the
volume of your monitor speakers. It's unlikey that you'll "kill" the
speakers at normal volume settings, but it's annoying.

3. Cheap patch bays have cheap jacks and they don't always make good
contact. SOmetimes you just have to massage them in order to get a
good connection. This is the tradeoff of not paying $500 for your
patchbays.

> .any suggestions on a switch
> rotary or otherwise to direct various input to the mackies one at a time
> seamlessly?

Coleman Audio makes some very nice switches exactly for this
application. You might be shocked at the cost, however.

http://www.colemanaudio.com/

You might be able to use their LS3 ($125), but I'm more familiar with the MS6
series ($500 up).



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reqluq wrote:

> "Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
> news:znr1102508161k@trad...
> >
> > 2. When you "hot patch" you will introduce clicks, and perhaps short
> > bursts of hum. This is why you should turn off, or turn down the
> > volume of your monitor speakers. It's unlikey that you'll "kill" the
> > speakers at normal volume settings, but it's annoying.
>
> Is there a filter that would stop this?

If you can invent a filter that 'knows' the difference between a 'normal' click
and one caused by patching you'll be able to count on plenty of ppl knocking at
your door.

Of course there isn't.

Graham

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"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
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>
> In article <10reet6b1rhp4cd@corp.supernews.com> scrednoapame@hotmail.com
> writes:
>
>> > 2. When you "hot patch" you will introduce clicks, and perhaps short
>> > bursts of hum.
>
>> Is there a filter that would stop this?
>
> Sure, but do you want to filter out all your transients and high end?
> The practical answer is "no."
>
>> > 3. Cheap patch bays have cheap jacks and they don't always make good
>> > contact.
>
>> Yeah ,I had this one a while though,just trying to put it back into
>> service...it's a behringher ultrapro px 2000..
>
> That explains it. Actually, I've had pretty good service from those
> Behringer patchbays, better than most, but not nearly as good as with
> long frame jacks (which still need cleaning now and then).
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)

well anyone have ideas on how to connect the receiver direct without that
awful feedback/hum?the receiver has two outs divided into positive and
negativ(fourouts totoal),in on the delta soundcard is two rca jacks in..prob
is when I cut one of the ends on the rca to connect to the reciever I only
see one wire.shouldn't there be two,positive and negative?

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"Chris Hornbeck" <chrishornbeckremovethis@att.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:26:59 -0500, "reqluq" <scrednoapame@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>well anyone have ideas on how to connect the receiver direct without that
>>awful feedback/hum?the receiver has two outs divided into positive and
>>negativ(fourouts totoal),in on the delta soundcard is two rca jacks
>>in..prob
>>is when I cut one of the ends on the rca to connect to the reciever I
>>only
>>see one wire.shouldn't there be two,positive and negative?
>
> well everyone may be having some detail problems. what do you mean
> by the receiver?to begin with.

It is a radio station reciever..I want it to play through my soundcard to my
monitors so I can compare the music and sound on the radio with projects I
am working on..like an extra reference besides cd's etc.
just switch the sources in the delta mixer panel from my recording software
to the radio to compare.

> Seriously, could this be a ground loop issue? If the name doesn't
> ring a bell, it probably is. Do a Google search in this newsgroup
> on ground loop plus Scott Dorsey and all will be revealed. Also
> check the FAQ.

I'll have a look..thanks

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correction.. that may have been confusing

I just put outs 1 and 2 from my soundcard direct to the monitors..took care
of the direct to the speakers prob....then from the patch bay out to inputs
3 and 4 on the sound card..so I can toggle two sources now..
:-)

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In article <10rfnfrsf0m1t5d@corp.supernews.com> scrednoapame@hotmail.com writes:

> It is a radio station reciever..I want it to play through my soundcard to my
> monitors so I can compare the music and sound on the radio with projects I
> am working on..like an extra reference besides cd's etc.

No, you don't want to play the receiver through your sound card. You
want to play the sound card through the receiver. See my other
message.

Or is your quandry that you have a set of monitors connected to your
sound card and a set of speakers connected to the receiver?


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"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
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>
> In article <10rfnfrsf0m1t5d@corp.supernews.com> scrednoapame@hotmail.com
> writes:
>
>> It is a radio station reciever..I want it to play through my soundcard to
>> my
>> monitors so I can compare the music and sound on the radio with projects
>> I
>> am working on..like an extra reference besides cd's etc.
>
> No, you don't want to play the receiver through your sound card. You
> want to play the sound card through the receiver. See my other
> message.

Yes I do.radio IN to soundcard,through soundcard to my speakers..

> Or is your quandry that you have a set of monitors connected to your
> sound card and a set of speakers connected to the receiver?

No...a set of monitors connected to my sound card AND the reciever connected
to the sound card,to play through the monitors ALSO, without have to
disconnect reconnect..
If you read my other posts you will see that I have this solved
thanks

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"Ben Bradley" <ben_nospam_bradley@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On 9 Dec 2004 10:02:37 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) wrote:
>
>>
>>In article <10rfnfrsf0m1t5d@corp.supernews.com> scrednoapame@hotmail.com
>>writes:
>>
>>> It is a radio station reciever..I want it to play through my soundcard
>>> to my
>>> monitors so I can compare the music and sound on the radio with projects
>>> I
>>> am working on..like an extra reference besides cd's etc.
>
> Scrednoapame, perhaps you should read that Rane wiring page and
> then ask us questions about how to wire things up (this is probably
> The Semi-Official FAQ of wiring up audio things):

Thanks Ben
>
> http://rane.com/note110.html
>
> Notice this says nothing about speaker outputs or headphone
> outputs. It's possible to use such outputs to drive line-level inputs,
> but they're the last resort when something doesn't have any line-level
> outputs (like for tape recorders, or just labeled "Line Out" ), and
> that's not covered until the next class in Audio Engineering Skool.
>
>>No, you don't want to play the receiver through your sound card. You
>>want to play the sound card through the receiver. See my other
>>message.
>
> There's also the idea of using a commercial [this includes public
> broadcast] radio broadcasts (with all the compression and limiting in
> the broadcast chain) as a reference being a bad one, compared to CD's

If you read my earlier posts you would see this..quote: I can compare the
music and sound on the radio with projects I am working on..like an extra
reference besides cd's etc

> (whose sound may still be hard to get due to the commercial CD's
> mastering, but it's still a lot better to shoot for than something
> from a broadcast).

I need all the help I can get so I will use 'em both.

>Perhaps just telling you not to compare your
> recordings to the radio would be too strong, but if you do, be aware
> of the difference.
> Mike, you must be slipping, I'm surprised you didn't give that
> lecture.

I think he read my other posts..refer to quote.thanks all the same Ben that
link is very helpful

>>Or is your quandry that you have a set of monitors connected to your
>>sound card and a set of speakers connected to the receiver?
>
> Okay, maybe it's because you're still trying to establish what the
> wiring goal is.

Even though I have solved my prob to my satisfaction,it's good to learn
about the wiring etc..

Thanks again