I have a version of this that while wonderful in the musical sense is
less than optimally transferred to CD. I read an interview with Jennifer
Warnes and she mentioned some dreadful transfers and also one she felt
was the finest. I can't remember where I read that and I'm not finding a
solid pointer at Google Groups search.
It already sounds good enough that I am intrigued by the possiblity of
even better fidelity. Clues?
hank alrich <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote:
>I have a version of this that while wonderful in the musical sense is
>less than optimally transferred to CD. I read an interview with Jennifer
>Warnes and she mentioned some dreadful transfers and also one she felt
>was the finest. I can't remember where I read that and I'm not finding a
>solid pointer at Google Groups search.
In the early nineties, this seemed to be one of the standard demo CDs that
everybody was using. I remember Gabe Weiner showing me that one track on
the CD had a massive low-frequency oscillation in one channel, probably from
a servo circuit gone wrong. You could see the woofers on his WATTs slowly
move in and out on about a 1/10 Hz cycle.
>It already sounds good enough that I am intrigued by the possiblity of
>even better fidelity. Clues?
Isn't she on Chesky? If so, I would suspect the Chesky issue would probably
be the best of the set.
--scott
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hank alrich wrote:
> I have a version of this that while wonderful in the musical sense is
> less than optimally transferred to CD. I read an interview with Jennifer
> Warnes and she mentioned some dreadful transfers and also one she felt
> was the finest. I can't remember where I read that and I'm not finding a
> solid pointer at Google Groups search.
>
> It already sounds good enough that I am intrigued by the possiblity of
> even better fidelity. Clues?
I can say I sure miss the copy someone lifted from me c. 1994 or so. I have a reissue and it doesn't sound the same to me.
This is a perennial audophile favorite--maybe JA, Walter H. or one of the review crew can comment intelligently?
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:26:05 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
wrote:
>I have a version of this that while wonderful in the musical sense is
>less than optimally transferred to CD. I read an interview with Jennifer
>Warnes and she mentioned some dreadful transfers and also one she felt
>was the finest. I can't remember where I read that and I'm not finding a
>solid pointer at Google Groups search.
>
>It already sounds good enough that I am intrigued by the possiblity of
>even better fidelity. Clues?
Mine's from 1986, on Cypress, and sounds pretty much like the vinyl of
the same year and label. I can loan it to you to check out if you
want.
"Chris Hornbeck" <chrishornbeckremovethis@att.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:26:05 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
> wrote:
>
> >I have a version of this that while wonderful in the musical sense is
> >less than optimally transferred to CD. I read an interview with Jennifer
> >Warnes and she mentioned some dreadful transfers and also one she felt
> >was the finest. I can't remember where I read that and I'm not finding a
> >solid pointer at Google Groups search.
> >
> >It already sounds good enough that I am intrigued by the possiblity of
> >even better fidelity. Clues?
>
> Mine's from 1986, on Cypress, and sounds pretty much like the vinyl of
> the same year and label. I can loan it to you to check out if you
> want.
>
> Chris Hornbeck
> "Shi mian mai fu"
And FWIW somebody in a thread on rec.audio.opinion said "The original
Cypress pressing is best"
I never heard all that about it being less than optimal....I always
classified it as an instant "classic"....and it was obviously a labour of
love in the production......Mine sounds wonderful....
Len
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http://users.accesscomm.ca/limbery/ "Chris Hornbeck" <chrishornbeckremovethis@att.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:26:05 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
> wrote:
>
>>I have a version of this that while wonderful in the musical sense is
>>less than optimally transferred to CD. I read an interview with Jennifer
>>Warnes and she mentioned some dreadful transfers and also one she felt
>>was the finest. I can't remember where I read that and I'm not finding a
>>solid pointer at Google Groups search.
>>
>>It already sounds good enough that I am intrigued by the possiblity of
>>even better fidelity. Clues?
>
> Mine's from 1986, on Cypress, and sounds pretty much like the vinyl of
> the same year and label. I can loan it to you to check out if you
> want.
>
> Chris Hornbeck
> "Shi mian mai fu"
On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:17:48 -0800, "John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com>
wrote:
>And FWIW somebody in a thread on rec.audio.opinion said "The original
>Cypress pressing is best"
I fersure wouldn't know, but if anybody in the thread who owns a
legal copy wants to hear the EAC wav files of the copy I've got here
email me. Obviously, I wouldn't want to encourage theft, so this
is already over. If it will encourage a second or third purchase,
seems like nobody would get hurt.
Vinyl hounds might look out for a 1972 Reprise album called
"Jennifer" produced by John Cale, starring *Jennifer Warren*.
Reprise MS2065.
She apparently made a few earlier LP's on Parrot records, but
I've never seen them.
If you can track down some library or archive copies of "The Absolute Sound"
magazine from that era, the editor Harry Pearson interviewed Warnes and her
producer in depth about the recording, production, vinyl and CD pressings so
maybe try the TAS website ffirst. It was a lengthy and rewarding, informed
interview.Maybe within 6 months of the albums relaease is the issue to look
for.
Ray Thomas
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"Krazy Kanuck" <limbery@accesscomm.ca.removethis> wrote in message
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> I never heard all that about it being less than optimal....I always
> classified it as an instant "classic"....and it was obviously a labour of
> love in the production......Mine sounds wonderful....
> Len
>
> --
> Order the new "Accordion Evolution" video or DVD
> http://users.accesscomm.ca/limbery/ > "Chris Hornbeck" <chrishornbeckremovethis@att.net> wrote in message
> news:l2qmr0dpmm2innt9rs5hom388npgjd2n7u@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:26:05 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
> > wrote:
> >
> >>I have a version of this that while wonderful in the musical sense is
> >>less than optimally transferred to CD. I read an interview with Jennifer
> >>Warnes and she mentioned some dreadful transfers and also one she felt
> >>was the finest. I can't remember where I read that and I'm not finding a
> >>solid pointer at Google Groups search.
> >>
> >>It already sounds good enough that I am intrigued by the possiblity of
> >>even better fidelity. Clues?
> >
> > Mine's from 1986, on Cypress, and sounds pretty much like the vinyl of
> > the same year and label. I can loan it to you to check out if you
> > want.
> >
> > Chris Hornbeck
> > "Shi mian mai fu"
>
>
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Hey Hank,
I recorded three albums for Cypress. Two with my jazz group
Windows and one as a solo record. Cypress was up on Sunset Blvd. It was
located in the Crossroads of the World building with the big globe in
the front (Hollywood CA)
When I was there I would go into the back and grab what ever new
releases were out and I distinctively remember going home and listening
to the audio quality of Famous Blue Raincoat. I personally new a lot of
the people working on the record and felt I had to figure out how to
deliver albums of a higher recording quality than what I was doing at
the time. This was one of the chief reasons I started working on
building mics that help me with the process of recording. I don't
know if I would have ever taken an interest in this area if it
weren't for hearing that record.
In those days the formats we were all getting airplay in was based on
recoding real instruments on analogue tape. Quite different than
today's acceptance in all the formats form Jazz to Adult
contemporary. Which were the formats Cypress/A&M marketed to.
Funny thing, most of the artists were left alone to deliver final
mastered recordings. It was not like they had to follow a particular
process to insure a great recoding.
Ted Cohen was the A&R guy there and most of the artists were older than
me and I was already 30 years of age when I signed on to this label.
The roster consisted of a lot of artist in the second half of their
careers. However there were also a lot of acts that this label that
helped create a springboard for the careers because of their strong
distribution through A&M.
I wanted to make one point that I think is relevant. Great music
recorded poorly is still great music, and bad music recorded great is
still bad music. Famous Raincoat is great music! It makes the great
recording standout even more.
Happy Holidays
Skipper
www.skipperwise.com www.bluemic.com
> I wanted to make one point that I think is relevant. Great music
> recorded poorly is still great music, and bad music recorded great is
> still bad music. Famous Raincoat is great music! It makes the great
> recording standout even more.
Thanks, Skipper, for the sensible commentary! To be clear, I find the
music, the arrangements, the recording and the performances above
excellent. It's not that the CD I have is awful, nor that I fail to
forget about the plastic disc when I'm listening to it. But when I read
that danged interview with Jennifer where she used the word "dreadful"
in relation to several CD versions of it, and mentioned one she thought
was the very best, I got curious. Unfortunately I was busy as hell at
the time, reading on a short break, and lost track of the information
that would lead me to go ahead and buy another issue of it, one that she
feels does the best job of getting the music across. Hell, it alreaedy
knocks me out; what might I feel of one that also knocks _her_ out?
She is just one hell of a singer. Listening to the heavily bullshit
laden popera that attempts to pass for female vocalizations these days,
Jennifer's chops stand out even more.
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