Wiring diagram for Direct Out "Insert" cable

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The Hosa DOC10 cable does what I need in that it allows a conventional
Insert connection on a mixer to be used as a Direct-Out.

The trouble is that I need 24 of these and I think I can make them
myself at a lot less than $11 apiece for a 6-inch cable.

I'd like some corroboration of my guess of how this thing is probably wired.

The mixer end is TRS with T=Send and R=Return and S=Ground
The other end going into the DAW is an unbalanced TS connection.

So, the T and S shorted on the mixer side, and connected to T on the
other end?...then of course the S on both ends is common. Right?

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GaryMedia <garyNOSPAMPLZmedia@nc.rr.com> wrote:
>The Hosa DOC10 cable does what I need in that it allows a conventional
>Insert connection on a mixer to be used as a Direct-Out.
>
>The trouble is that I need 24 of these and I think I can make them
>myself at a lot less than $11 apiece for a 6-inch cable.

You'll find that if you buy decent connectors that it costs you a lot
more than you think to build these. (Not that the Hosa connectors are
decent).

>I'd like some corroboration of my guess of how this thing is probably wired.
>
>The mixer end is TRS with T=Send and R=Return and S=Ground
>The other end going into the DAW is an unbalanced TS connection.
>
>So, the T and S shorted on the mixer side, and connected to T on the
>other end?...then of course the S on both ends is common. Right?

Right. If you are using a Mackie mixer, the manual has information about
this in it. The Rane website section on making cables also talks about it.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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"Joe Sensor" wrote ...
> That is what I was thinking. It will cost you about that just for the 2
> connectors and a bit of cable. Of course, if you assemble them correctly,
> the quality will be way better than Hosa.

Exactly the reason I make my own.

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GaryMedia wrote:
> The Hosa DOC10 cable does what I need in that it allows a
conventional
> Insert connection on a mixer to be used as a Direct-Out.
>
> The trouble is that I need 24 of these and I think I can make them
> myself at a lot less than $11 apiece for a 6-inch cable.
>
> I'd like some corroboration of my guess of how this thing is probably
wired.
>
> The mixer end is TRS with T=Send and R=Return and S=Ground
> The other end going into the DAW is an unbalanced TS connection.
>
> So, the T and S shorted on the mixer side, and connected to T on the
> other end?...then of course the S on both ends is common. Right?

Another option is to use a premade 'guitar' cable and replace one end
with the TRS plug, wired as you have noted. Saves some effort over
wiring
the whole thing.

RD

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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> "GaryMedia" <garyNOSPAMPLZmedia@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > The mixer end is TRS with T=Send and R=Return and S=Ground
> > The other end going into the DAW is an unbalanced TS connection.
> >
> > So, the T and S shorted on the mixer side, and connected to T on the
> > other end?...then of course the S on both ends is common. Right?
>
> That's how I wire mine, and they work.

Surely not?
You should short Tip and *RING* at the mixer, then connect to the tip at the
DAW.
Both sleeves are common or ground.

TonyP.

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"TonyP" <TonyP@optus.net.com.au> wrote in message
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> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
> news:_Nadne3a0MYq0iPcRVn-3g@comcast.com...
>> "GaryMedia" <garyNOSPAMPLZmedia@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> The mixer end is TRS with T=Send and R=Return and S=Ground
>>> The other end going into the DAW is an unbalanced TS connection.
>>>
>>> So, the T and S shorted on the mixer side, and connected to T on the
>>> other end?...then of course the S on both ends is common. Right?
>>
>> That's how I wire mine, and they work.

> Surely not?

You are correct. Tip and ring should be shorted to each other. I didn't
notice that he mentioned the sleeve twice.