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December 14, 2004 7:46:09 PM

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hi
I always used to record my vocal track without any outbord compressor
and use volume automation in daw after recording vocal
and the result was good to me..
but I have to normalize the track it's terribe..
and eventually i am considering outboard vocal compressor...

I don't know what is the best vocal compressor
could u recommend any comp for vocal?

p.s I prefer a comp which is easy to use, and very low noise and
detail gain reduction metering...
but they are not very important factor for choosing a comp...

thanx..

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Anonymous
December 15, 2004 12:21:34 AM

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bj <bluesjeon@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I always used to record my vocal track without any outbord compressor
>and use volume automation in daw after recording vocal
>and the result was good to me..
> but I have to normalize the track it's terribe..
>and eventually i am considering outboard vocal compressor...

What is terrible about normalizing? Have you considered riding gain by
hand? And why would normalizing do any good anyway?

> I don't know what is the best vocal compressor
> could u recommend any comp for vocal?
>
>p.s I prefer a comp which is easy to use, and very low noise and
>detail gain reduction metering...
> but they are not very important factor for choosing a comp...

The RNC is probably a good first compressor, but it's not a substitute
for riding gain by hand and good vocal technique.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Anonymous
December 15, 2004 5:33:04 AM

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I like the Manley Labs Variable MU Compressor ...

--
Steven Sena
XS Sound Recording
www.xssound.com

"bj" <bluesjeon@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1c7c168a.0412141646.4a82c37b@posting.google.com...
> hi
> I always used to record my vocal track without any outbord compressor
> and use volume automation in daw after recording vocal
> and the result was good to me..
> but I have to normalize the track it's terribe..
> and eventually i am considering outboard vocal compressor...
>
> I don't know what is the best vocal compressor
> could u recommend any comp for vocal?
>
> p.s I prefer a comp which is easy to use, and very low noise and
> detail gain reduction metering...
> but they are not very important factor for choosing a comp...
>
> thanx..
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Anonymous
December 15, 2004 10:24:59 AM

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> I don't know what is the best vocal compressor
> could u recommend any comp for vocal?

On the cheap, the older-style (pre-tube) Aphex Expressors are nice. Very
clean. I like EL8 Distressors for when i want to hear the compression more
(but in a good way).

-jeff
Anonymous
December 15, 2004 12:22:08 PM

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<< I don't know what is the best vocal compressor
could u recommend any comp for vocal?
p.s I prefer a comp which is easy to use, and very low noise and
detail gain reduction metering...
but they are not very important factor for choosing a comp...>>

I recommend an LA2A. As you say, they are easy to use, low (enough) noise, &
have detailed gain reduction metering.
Oh, by the way, the LA2A sounds great, too. United Audio makes it.




Scott Fraser
December 15, 2004 1:07:25 PM

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Ditto...

JK


"Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041215022459.21699.00001807@mb-m12.aol.com...
> > I don't know what is the best vocal compressor
> > could u recommend any comp for vocal?
>
> On the cheap, the older-style (pre-tube) Aphex Expressors are nice. Very
> clean. I like EL8 Distressors for when i want to hear the compression
more
> (but in a good way).
>
> -jeff
Anonymous
December 15, 2004 5:55:52 PM

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I think that's Universal Audio. ;-)

Tom

"ScotFraser" <scotfraser@aol.com> wrote in message
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> << I don't know what is the best vocal compressor
> could u recommend any comp for vocal?
> p.s I prefer a comp which is easy to use, and very low noise and
> detail gain reduction metering...
> but they are not very important factor for choosing a comp...>>
>
> I recommend an LA2A. As you say, they are easy to use, low (enough) noise,
&
> have detailed gain reduction metering.
> Oh, by the way, the LA2A sounds great, too. United Audio makes it.
>
>
>
>
> Scott Fraser
Anonymous
December 15, 2004 7:09:09 PM

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ScotFraser wrote:

> I recommend an LA2A.

Yep, bullet proof vocal compression. Dead simple to operate and glorious
results.

--
ha
Anonymous
December 15, 2004 8:34:47 PM

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<< I think that's Universal Audio. ;-) >>



D'oh!
What I get for typing after midnight.

Scott Fraser
December 16, 2004 6:50:18 AM

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In article <1c7c168a.0412141646.4a82c37b@posting.google.com>, bj
<bluesjeon@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know what is the best vocal compressor
> could u recommend any comp for vocal?



Urei LA3A. Don't look at the VU meter, just listen.

I've once spent time with a Crane Song Trakker and got it to sound damn
good on vocals, but I haven't actually lived a while with it - tho' I'd
sure like to - and it ain't cheap like an RNC. Plus the Trakker's a box
for someone with compressor experience.




David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island

CelebrationSound@aol.com
www.CelebrationSound.com
Anonymous
December 16, 2004 1:43:15 PM

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On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:46:09 -0500, bj wrote
(in article <1c7c168a.0412141646.4a82c37b@posting.google.com>):

> hi
> I always used to record my vocal track without any outbord compressor
> and use volume automation in daw after recording vocal
> and the result was good to me..
> but I have to normalize the track it's terribe..
> and eventually i am considering outboard vocal compressor...
>
> I don't know what is the best vocal compressor
> could u recommend any comp for vocal?
>
> p.s I prefer a comp which is easy to use, and very low noise and
> detail gain reduction metering...
> but they are not very important factor for choosing a comp...
>
> thanx..

Learn better mic technique and singing technique and you won't need to rely
on a compressor for tracking. I still like it on mixing though.

Seriously, there aren't many devices out there that are cheap that can do
alot of what you want. It depends on how bad the problem is.

Regards,

Ty Ford


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
December 17, 2004 10:38:37 AM

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In article <beadnZ0Q0ZCPMFzcRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Ty Ford
<tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote:

> Learn better mic technique and singing technique and you won't need to rely
> on a compressor for tracking. I still like it on mixing though.




Sure, good technique can help, but I'd encourage the original poster to
def learn to record vocals with compression. It ain't hard to learn
what you compressor can and cannot do with a vocal.



David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island

CelebrationSound@aol.com
www.CelebrationSound.com
December 17, 2004 2:54:06 PM

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Scott Dorsey wrote:
> bj <bluesjeon@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >I always used to record my vocal track without any outbord
compressor
> >and use volume automation in daw after recording vocal
> >and the result was good to me..
> > but I have to normalize the track it's terribe..
> >and eventually i am considering outboard vocal compressor...
>
> What is terrible about normalizing? Have you considered riding gain
by
> hand? And why would normalizing do any good anyway?
>
> > I don't know what is the best vocal compressor
> > could u recommend any comp for vocal?
> >
> >p.s I prefer a comp which is easy to use, and very low noise and
> >detail gain reduction metering...
> > but they are not very important factor for choosing a comp...
>
> The RNC is probably a good first compressor, but it's not a
substitute
> for riding gain by hand and good vocal technique.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."



Why is that you state a compressor is no substitute for gain ridin
manually. ? Would not a compressor be more accurate and consistant in
controlling levels ?

thanks.
Sidhu
Anonymous
December 18, 2004 1:20:57 AM

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Sidhu <nitinsidhu@indiatimes.com> wrote:
>
>Why is that you state a compressor is no substitute for gain ridin
>manually. ? Would not a compressor be more accurate and consistant in
>controlling levels ?

A compressor doesn't have a brain, and it can't tell when vocal dynamics
are changing for effect, or just because of lack of performing skill.
Sometimes you _want_ vocal dynamics. A skilled engineer can ride gain
and preserve the dynamics that you want while eliminating the ones you
don't.

A compressor can make a vocal pop up out of a dense mix more easily,
though, and it can be a useful tool to pull peaks down and bring average
levels up because it can work much more quickly than an operator can by
hand. But for slow averaging, an operator can do a more enlightened job.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Anonymous
December 18, 2004 1:11:14 PM

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Scott Dorsey wrote:

> Sometimes you _want_ vocal dynamics. A skilled engineer can ride gain
> and preserve the dynamics that you want while eliminating the ones you
> don't.

The way music used to be made.

> A compressor can make a vocal pop up out of a dense mix more easily,
> though, and it can be a useful tool to pull peaks down and bring average
> levels up because it can work much more quickly than an operator can by
> hand.

The way music is made today. I much prefer the former.
Anonymous
December 18, 2004 3:16:12 PM

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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:38:37 -0500, david wrote
(in article <171220040238406124%ihate@spamo.com>):

> In article <beadnZ0Q0ZCPMFzcRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Ty Ford
> <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Learn better mic technique and singing technique and you won't need to rely
>> on a compressor for tracking. I still like it on mixing though.
>
>
>
>
> Sure, good technique can help, but I'd encourage the original poster to
> def learn to record vocals with compression. It ain't hard to learn
> what you compressor can and cannot do with a vocal.
>
>
>
> David Correia
> Celebration Sound
> Warren, Rhode Island
>
> CelebrationSound@aol.com
> www.CelebrationSound.com

Point well taken David. I'll recant. I'm using the Millennia Media STT-1 and
GML 2020 these days for tracking vocals and am very impressed by their
transparency.

I was watching the STT-1 GR meter pop down to 10dB of GR just yesterday
during a take and remember thinking, "Wow! I'm glad it's in there. Don't
really hear it that much."

I'm getting better (higher) overall levels while tracking. Sometimes I have
to adjust a parameter during the take. Don't know whether that's me just
hyper-fiddling, but if I think they are headed UP UP AND AWAY, I can keep
from clipping by using the continuous output gain control or increasing the
continuous ratio control.

The GML 2020 compressor is VERY unique in that it works simultaneously on
slow, RMS and peak. Three different thresholds. Best way I can explain it is,
most compressors are like algebra. The GML 2020 is like calculus. It takes
more to wrap your head around it, but as you do, things sound VERY nice.

A full review is on my site.

Regards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
Anonymous
December 18, 2004 5:35:12 PM

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In article <wYWdnUasneRB-FncRVn-gA@comcast.com>, Ty Ford
<tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote:

> The GML 2020 compressor is VERY unique in that it works simultaneously on
> slow, RMS and peak. Three different thresholds. Best way I can explain it
> is,
> most compressors are like algebra. The GML 2020 is like calculus. It
> takes
> more to wrap your head around it, but as you do, things sound VERY nice.
>
> A full review is on my site.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford


Doesn't the RNC also have a 3-stage compressor of some type in
"SuperNice" mode?
December 19, 2004 4:20:03 AM

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In article <wYWdnUasneRB-FncRVn-gA@comcast.com>, Ty Ford
<tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:38:37 -0500, david wrote
> (in article <171220040238406124%ihate@spamo.com>):
>
> > In article <beadnZ0Q0ZCPMFzcRVn-tw@comcast.com>, Ty Ford
> > <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Learn better mic technique and singing technique and you won't need to
> >> rely
> >> on a compressor for tracking. I still like it on mixing though.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sure, good technique can help, but I'd encourage the original poster to
> > def learn to record vocals with compression. It ain't hard to learn
> > what you compressor can and cannot do with a vocal.
> >
> >
> >
> > David Correia
> > Celebration Sound
> > Warren, Rhode Island
> >
> > CelebrationSound@aol.com
> > www.CelebrationSound.com
>
> Point well taken David. I'll recant. I'm using the Millennia Media STT-1 and
> GML 2020 these days for tracking vocals and am very impressed by their
> transparency.
>
> I was watching the STT-1 GR meter pop down to 10dB of GR just yesterday
> during a take and remember thinking, "Wow! I'm glad it's in there. Don't
> really hear it that much."
>
> I'm getting better (higher) overall levels while tracking. Sometimes I have
> to adjust a parameter during the take. Don't know whether that's me just
> hyper-fiddling, but if I think they are headed UP UP AND AWAY, I can keep
> from clipping by using the continuous output gain control or increasing the
> continuous ratio control.
>
> The GML 2020 compressor is VERY unique in that it works simultaneously on
> slow, RMS and peak. Three different thresholds. Best way I can explain it is,
> most compressors are like algebra. The GML 2020 is like calculus. It takes
> more to wrap your head around it, but as you do, things sound VERY nice.
>
> A full review is on my site.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford



I'm a longtime fan of George's pre, would love to spend time with that
box. I've heard complaints about his stand alone compressor that it was
too freakin' complicated. Everyone knows his eq is absolutely
wonderful.

Next time your getting levels to record a vocal, what you wanna try is
spend a little time moving the threshold around and listening without
looking at your meters.

Many great vocal tracks I've done had my LA3 pegging the meters
(measuring the amount of compression taking place) on loud stuff. At
first when this would happen I would be a good little dobee and back it
off. As time went on I trusted my ears. The proof is in the pudding,
not on the meters on the box.

I'd been encouraged to do this my an engineer friend.

I def disagree with Scott D. on vocals and compression. It's not just
about volume. It's about creating a wonderful vocal sound that can sit
in a mix like Jabba The Hut with having to be loud.




David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island

CelebrationSound@aol.com
www.CelebrationSound.com
Anonymous
December 19, 2004 11:56:25 AM

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in article 181220042020058728%ihate@spamo.com, david at ihate@spamo.com
wrote on 12/18/04 5:20 PM:

> It's not just
> about volume. It's about creating a wonderful vocal sound that can sit
> in a mix like Jabba The Hut with having to be loud.

> David Correia

I get this idea.

I'm a definite amateur here, in a Celtic band who self-recorded our five
CDs, starting with a c.1980s Aiwa board to VCR tape and ending with a
ProTools LE system using a Lawson mic. On our last CD I played around a lot
with compression on the vocals, and it helped bring them out more than the
previous recordings. While doing this I came up with an interesting idea
about vox compression and apparent loudness.

When someone is speaking very close to your ear in soft tones with low
volume, it's naturally compressed (unless they intentionally raise their
voice, that is.) Lower dynamic portions are raised, and spikes are lowered
- whispering is a good example of an exaggerated example of this. I think
that a compressed vocal thus "reads" to the listener as though someone were
physically closer to you, even though the average volume may be the same as
an uncompressed vocal.

Carlos
Anonymous
December 19, 2004 8:31:41 PM

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"jackfish" wrote:
> Ty Ford wrote:
>
> > The GML 2020 compressor is VERY unique in that it works simultaneously
on
> > slow, RMS and peak. Three different thresholds. Best way I can explain
it
> > is,
> > most compressors are like algebra. The GML 2020 is like calculus. It
> > takes
> > more to wrap your head around it, but as you do, things sound VERY nice.
> >
> > A full review is on my site.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ty Ford
>
>
> Doesn't the RNC also have a 3-stage compressor of some type in
> "SuperNice" mode

The GML does something the different. The RNC in Supernice mode is just
using three stages of light compression in series--each stage only
compresses a little so you get fewer artifacts for a given amount of
compression netting a more transparent sound for a given amount of gain
reduction.

-jw
Anonymous
December 19, 2004 10:02:35 PM

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"John Washburn" <johnwashburn99@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> The GML does something the different. The RNC in Supernice mode is just
> using three stages of light compression in series--each stage only
> compresses a little so you get fewer artifacts for a given amount of
> compression netting a more transparent sound for a given amount of gain
> reduction.
>


The RNC is a really great compressor- it is known for being a really clean
compressor- not imparting a particular sound on the source while it is
compressing- as such, is there a reason why you would not use Super Nice
Mode almost all the time, except maybe for limiting?

Thanks!

~j
Anonymous
December 20, 2004 1:51:12 AM

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"Jason McClelland" wrote:
> "John Washburn" wrote:
> >
> > The GML does something the different. The RNC in Supernice mode is just
> > using three stages of light compression in series--each stage only
> > compresses a little so you get fewer artifacts for a given amount of
> > compression netting a more transparent sound for a given amount of gain
> > reduction.
> >
>
>
> The RNC is a really great compressor- it is known for being a really clean
> compressor- not imparting a particular sound on the source while it is
> compressing- as such, is there a reason why you would not use Super Nice
> Mode almost all the time, except maybe for limiting?
>

Well, the super nice mode is really slow for one. It's also a little too
"syrupy" for certain things, meaning it makes everything a little smoother,
which may not be what you'd want.

But then, I actually like how gnarly and aggressive it can be in regular
mode, especially compared to other inexpensive compressors which don't take
nearly as much abuse nearly as well.

-jw
Anonymous
December 26, 2004 1:40:47 AM

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If you're talking high end compressors....Avalon 747 is some serious
piece of equipment. If you're on a budget, the RNC would probably be a
good choice. Also try the PSP Vintagewarmer plug-in...I use it on
pretty much every track I do...it's pretty good for compressing
prerecorded stuff or running it on a final mix.
!