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Anonymous
December 21, 2004 4:23:26 PM

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http://news.harmony-central.com/News/2004/Yamaha-Acquir...
Good news?
Bad?
Indifferent?

My vote goes to bad.

later,
m

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Anonymous
December 21, 2004 9:05:56 PM

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In article <1103664206.031734.28450@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
mwood5nospam@yahoo.com says...
>
> My vote goes to bad.

Why?

This seems like VERY good news. Pinnacle was obviously pushing
Steinberg releases out the door, at the significant expensive of quality
- every single point-oh release since Pinnacle has been a buggy
disaster, with basic things like *playing the same audio that's shown*
broken.

Yamaha has deep pockets, knows audio, and isn't Digidesign. What more
could we want?

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Anonymous
December 21, 2004 9:56:08 PM

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There goes the neighborhood.
Anonymous
December 21, 2004 11:46:43 PM

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In article <1103664206.031734.28450@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> mwood5nospam@yahoo.com writes:

> Good news?
> Bad?
> Indifferent?

Didn't Pinnacle just acquire them a short time ago? Did Yamaha gobble
up Pinnacle, or did Pinnacle sell Steinberg to Yamaha?

In any case, look for good integration between Nuendo and the DM
series consoles.



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Anonymous
December 22, 2004 12:37:06 AM

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<mwood5nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> http://news.harmony-central.com/News/2004/Yamaha-Acquir...
> Good news?
> Bad?
> Indifferent?
>
> My vote goes to bad.
>
> later,
> m

Very interesting... as a long time Cubase/SX user, this will be very
significant. Steinberg has made significant strides lately in support,
updates, stability, etc... here's hoping Yamaha continues the process!
December 22, 2004 12:44:46 AM

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I predict some significant support by Steinberg for mlan...

hmmmmmm yamaha now in control of the VST and ASIO "standards"... That's
gotta make some of the soundcard manufacturer's worried. I further predict
new emphasis on supprt for WDM and DXi.



<mwood5nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> http://news.harmony-central.com/News/2004/Yamaha-Acquir...
> Good news?
> Bad?
> Indifferent?
>
> My vote goes to bad.
>
> later,
> m
>
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 1:11:35 AM

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<mwood5nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> http://news.harmony-central.com/News/2004/Yamaha-Acquir...
> Good news?
> Bad?
> Indifferent?
>
> My vote goes to bad.

My vote goes to good. The few things that I've bought from Steinberg have
had annoyances, and the technical support has ranged from poor to abysmal,
with one real good thrown in.

F'rinstance, my sweetie does archival choral recordings using a minidisc
deck. She wanted to be able to create a CD that ran without pauses, but
still had track marks. Get It On CD ver. 1.1 did that fine from her raw 2+
hour mono track; just drop in the track markers and away you go. Later
versions require you to break the audio up and put it back together, so in
spite of the niceties in the upgrades, she's still using 1.1.

They also have never seemed to pay much attention to tech support questions
by email or from their web page. Phone support here in Canada has been
okay, but for non-critical things email would work fine.

All in all, I doubt Yamaha will make things worse.

Dave O'Heare
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December 22, 2004 1:21:51 AM

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mwood5nospam@yahoo.com wrote:

> http://news.harmony-central.com/News/2004/Yamaha-Acquir...
> Good news?
> Bad?
> Indifferent?
>
> My vote goes to bad.
>
> later,
> m
>

I vote good. Yamaha is way ahead of the came as far as digital consoles
go. They are also heavily imbedded in music products in general. What
has Pinnacle ever been involved with that had anything to do with music,
other than buying Steingberg.

Good.
Good.
Good.

I look forward to it!

--
Eric

www.Raw-Tracks.com
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 2:33:26 AM

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> This seems like VERY good news. Pinnacle was obviously pushing
> Steinberg releases out the door, at the significant expensive of quality
> - every single point-oh release since Pinnacle has been a buggy
> disaster, with basic things like *playing the same audio that's shown*
> broken.
>
> Yamaha has deep pockets, knows audio, and isn't Digidesign. What more
> could we want?

I totally disagree. At first, yea, it seemed pretty grim, but over the last
six months, version 3 of SX came out and was much improved and more stable
then the latest SX 2.x for me anyway... OSX.

Just days ago, they released SX 3.01, with good response to user comments
and bugs.

I don't know if Yamaha will be better or not, but I think you're being a bit
too hard on Pinnacle, at least lately....

Anyway, I hope it's excellent news, but only time will tell.
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 7:40:55 AM

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<< Jay Levitt jay+news@jay.fm >>
<< This seems like VERY good news. Pinnacle was obviously pushing
Steinberg releases out the door, at the significant expensive of quality
- every single point-oh release since Pinnacle has been a buggy
disaster, with basic things like *playing the same audio that's shown*
broken.

Yamaha has deep pockets, knows audio, and isn't Digidesign. What more
could we want? >>

I think you're right Jay. And hey, not only isn't Yamaha Digidesign, they
aren't *Apple* either. <g>

Not that Pinnacle isn't a good company, but I think they sold Steinberg in
part because they realized that Steinberg had a business model that wasn't
going to be happy with Pinnacle's management style (they actually said it was
better for Steinberg to be part of Yamaha.)

Probably will add the Yamaha "MLan" thing, but doesn't Steinberg already
has something like that going on in partnership with Euphonix misers, the EUCON
ethernet protocol? Anyway probably adding MLan isn't going to be too hard and
we might see some interesting Mixer/interface bundles coming out, maybe
Steinberg Yamaha softsynth hardware.




Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Audio Guy / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 10:24:47 AM

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I just still say bad.

Right now, Steinberg as a company is all about open standards...VST,
ASIO, MIDI, etc. Yes, they do their best as accomodating various
things like the Euphonix ethernet, but with someone like Yamaha, it
could really take a turn for the worse.
What if the new "yamaha software" company decided to focus 90% of the
resources in upcoming releases to "improving" things like mlan
compatibility or DXi? In otherwords, you might see Cubase and Nuendo
starting to work really great with Yamaha products and standards and
just so-so with other companies. Also, if Yamaha is sort of in control
of VST and ASIO now since they own Steinberg, do you really think
Roland is going to be real happy about supporting these as their
primary platforms? It might have an opposite effect and make them
decide to work on their own proprietary ideas.
I'm so sick of all of this.....give me one good plugin platform (VST),
one good driver platform (ASIO) and please everyone, work together to
come up with a replacement for MIDI. Then, we can all move ahead. I'm
sick of the "platform wars".
Think about the examples of other large companies purchasing a music
software platform and there's not too many that have turned out well:

Apple buys Logic and drops Win platform.
Gibson buys Opcode and kills off the company.
Adobe buys Cool Edit Pro and we're not sure what's happening...yet.
AVID buys Digi is about the only one that didn't really change their
way of doing business. It still didn't really help or hurt things
though.

Anyway, as a longtime user of SVP and one that switched over to Cubase
when SVP went belly up with Gibby, I'm scared. I've got a lot of time
and money, as well as projects invested in the Cubase/Nuendo platforms
and I'm not too crazy about having to change again if Yamaha screws
them up.

Later,
m
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 12:04:55 PM

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Fub\nnt. I was just thinking the other day that Yamaha should make a
softsynth controller. I ended up with the M-Audio but Yamaha has great
action and should hit that market.
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 12:08:10 PM

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I wouldn't count on fantastic Yamaha support. Thier idea of support is
to make the product as bulletproof as possible and then send it out.
Not the worst plan but should you need something it's hard to get any
personal suypport from that corporate monster.
December 22, 2004 1:50:26 PM

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In article <1103729087.465712.175030@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
mwood5nospam@yahoo.com says...
> I just still say bad.
>snip<
> Anyway, as a longtime user of SVP and one that switched over to Cubase
> when SVP went belly up with Gibby, I'm scared. I've got a lot of time
> and money, as well as projects invested in the Cubase/Nuendo platforms
> and I'm not too crazy about having to change again if Yamaha screws
> them up.

Well, I understand your apprehension. The only thing *I*
can say, is to look at Yamaha's product lines, even venturing
outside the music biz. Yamaha may not do everything great,
but generally speaking, if you choose Yamaha, you won't get a
BAD product. It may not be the best (or it may actually be
the best in its particular niche and price range), but it
certainly won't be the WORST. Even the NS-10 speakers had a
lot of others worse than them, for all that we whine about them.
Point being, I think they manage their business a lot better
than Gibson does. I wouldn't be as worried about this acquisition
as I would be others.
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Anonymous
December 22, 2004 4:30:55 PM

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tymish@hotmail.com wrote:
> > I wouldn't count on fantastic Yamaha support. Thier idea of support
is
> > to make the product as bulletproof as possible and then send it
out.
> > Not the worst plan but should you need something it's hard to get
any
> > personal suypport from that corporate monster.
> >

Chris Whealy wrote:>
> I'm not so sure that their software products at least could be
described
> as bullet proof.
>
> Try the Studio Manager software to remote control a Yamaha 02R desk.
> You are really on your own. When you download the software, Yamaha's

> disclaimer basically says "Don't come crying to us if is totally
screws
> up your PC or the desk".
>
> Running this software on my W2K laptop causes a Blue Screen of Death
as
> soon as the USB cable is connected between the two machines...
>
> And like they said, I'm on my own on this one. No support, nada. If
I
> want to fix it, I'll have to upgrade my laptop - which I don't have
time
> to do at the moment.
>
> Chris W
>
> --
> The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long,
> but the words of the wise are quiet and few.
> --


Well, there you have it. I haven't had any software prods of theirs but
work with 30+ Yamaha digital consoles at work. No real support but they
are made quite well so little support has been needed so far. Let's
hope they don't gut Steinberg and just keep it a subsidiary with it's
own support team etc.
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 6:48:08 PM

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mwood5nospam@yahoo.com wrote in
<1103664206.031734.28450@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>:

>http://news.harmony-central.com/News/2004/Yamaha-Acquir...
>Good news?
>Bad?
>Indifferent?
>
>My vote goes to bad.

Mine doesn't. There are various things about Yamaha that I find
impressive -- for instance, you can download PDF manuals free of charge,
even for instruments they've stopped building decades (!) ago.

Apart from everything elose, little things like these suggest to me that
most of the industry could learn lots, and I mean LOTS, from Yamaha with
respect to customer orientation. Steinberg doesn't seem to be an
exception there.

SM,
who purged Cubase SX from his harddisk a long time ago
--
reply-to works, even if it doesn't look as if it did.
Anonymous
December 22, 2004 8:27:01 PM

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tymish@hotmail.com wrote:
> I wouldn't count on fantastic Yamaha support. Thier idea of support is
> to make the product as bulletproof as possible and then send it out.
> Not the worst plan but should you need something it's hard to get any
> personal suypport from that corporate monster.
>

I'm not so sure that their software products at least could be described
as bullet proof.

Try the Studio Manager software to remote control a Yamaha 02R desk.
You are really on your own. When you download the software, Yamaha's
disclaimer basically says "Don't come crying to us if is totally screws
up your PC or the desk".

Running this software on my W2K laptop causes a Blue Screen of Death as
soon as the USB cable is connected between the two machines...

And like they said, I'm on my own on this one. No support, nada. If I
want to fix it, I'll have to upgrade my laptop - which I don't have time
to do at the moment.

Chris W

--
The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long,
but the words of the wise are quiet and few.
--
Anonymous
December 23, 2004 12:17:34 AM

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In article <1103735290.922248.173460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> tymish@hotmail.com writes:

> I wouldn't count on fantastic Yamaha support. Thier idea of support is
> to make the product as bulletproof as possible and then send it out.

That's the best way. But it means they have to keep up with changes to
what it interfaces with to be sure that when you upgrade a part of
your system, the Yamaha part will still work. You can do that for a
little while, but not forever.


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Anonymous
December 23, 2004 1:34:36 AM

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>tymish@hotmail.com

>Fub\nnt. I was just thinking the other day that Yamaha should make a
>softsynth controller. I ended up with the M-Audio but Yamaha has great
>action and should hit that market.

Funny, Avid just bought M-Audio too.


Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Audio Guy / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits
Anonymous
December 23, 2004 3:57:00 AM

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Hard to guess. If, like Microsoft, Yamaha would buy a company to stifle
competition and kill a product, then I'd vote bad. But Tascam bought
Gigasampler and has continued it's advancement, Apple bought EMagic and
continued it's advancement (although they killed PC product), and many other
companies have purchased good quality products from companies ripe for the
picking and continued the product line with great effect, so I don't see
anything negative until we have more information, ala Gibson's purchase of
Opcode and the subsequent death of same.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

<mwood5nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> http://news.harmony-central.com/News/2004/Yamaha-Acquir...
> Good news?
> Bad?
> Indifferent?
>
> My vote goes to bad.
>
> later,
> m
>
December 23, 2004 11:41:41 AM

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Yamha and steinberg already have excellent integration in the new v3
releases, using the 'studio manager' architecture. One can now control
the digital yamaha board from within v3. Use yamahas onboard FX and
processing from within v3. And when u launch a project with SX or
nuendo, the board does a complete recall, automatically. not to
mention the sheer ammount of data transfer now that can take place
between the two.

A very intreasting thread here. must read :

http://forum.nuendo.com/forum/Forum3/HTML/006668.html
Id say were in for some exciting times ahead!

Sidhu
December 23, 2004 12:10:11 PM

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WillStG wrote:

>>tymish@hotmail.com
>
>
>>Fub\nnt. I was just thinking the other day that Yamaha should make a
>>softsynth controller. I ended up with the M-Audio but Yamaha has great
>>action and should hit that market.
>
>
> Funny, Avid just bought M-Audio too.
>
>
> Will Miho
> NY Music & TV Audio Guy
> Audio Guy / Fox News
> "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits
>
>
>
DigiMan!
Anonymous
December 24, 2004 2:40:36 AM

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>Bryson redbugg@mindNOSPAMspring.com

>DigiMan!

Well it's just I think the chances for a company manipulating or killing
products to advance an market control agenda would be a greater concern with
Digidesign acquiring Midiman/M-Audio than with Yamaha taking over Steinberg.

We shall see.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Audio Guy / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits
Anonymous
December 25, 2004 4:52:04 PM

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<mwood5nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> http://news.harmony-central.com/News/2004/Yamaha-Acquir...
> Good news?
> Bad?
> Indifferent?
>
> My vote goes to bad.
>
> later,
> m


I vote 'concerned'. While the situation is very different, I can't help but
think of how the Amiga computer was passed around from company to company
who did little or nothing with it before passing it on, helping in its
demise. Another concern is that using MOTU interfaces on a PC platform with
Cubase has had on going problems ( particularly when using external clock
sources ) and the problem seems to stem from both companies ( hard to tell
though ). I doubt that Yamaha will have much incentive to work these
problems out and make a competitor's hardware a more desirable choice.

On the other hand, Yamaha has deep pockets as others have said and they are
very strong innovators in audio technology. I just hope they don't guide
Steinberg into making software that is too Yamaha centric.

John L Rice
Drummer@ImJohn.com
Anonymous
December 26, 2004 2:24:43 AM

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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:52:04 -0800, "John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com>
wrote:

>On the other hand, Yamaha has deep pockets as others have said and they are
>very strong innovators in audio technology. I just hope they don't guide
>Steinberg into making software that is too Yamaha centric.

Paying for software that isn't tied to specific hardware has long
been, to put it politely, optional. :-) I'm amazed that any company
can make money at that game.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
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Anonymous
December 29, 2004 11:31:49 PM

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On 2004-12-21, mwood5nospam@yahoo.com <mwood5nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> http://news.harmony-central.com/News/2004/Yamaha-Acquir...
> Good news?
> Bad?
> Indifferent?
>
> My vote goes to bad.

Hey... It was for sale... and YOU didn't buy it.
Yeah, you dindn't have the millions to make that happen.
Whose fault is that? :-)

I'd say it's Yamaha's to kill or nurture, as they choose,
same as it would have been yours had you been the high bidder.
Anonymous
December 30, 2004 2:55:50 AM

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Actually, I just downloaded a Cubase patch ( that's about a week old ) that
is supposed to fix the external word clock problem! I haven't tried it yet
but I'll be thrilled if it works!

John L Rice
Drummer@ImJohn.com

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> <mwood5nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1103664206.031734.28450@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > http://news.harmony-central.com/News/2004/Yamaha-Acquir...
> > Good news?
> > Bad?
> > Indifferent?
> >
> > My vote goes to bad.
> >
> > later,
> > m
>
>
> I vote 'concerned'. While the situation is very different, I can't help
but
> think of how the Amiga computer was passed around from company to company
> who did little or nothing with it before passing it on, helping in its
> demise. Another concern is that using MOTU interfaces on a PC platform
with
> Cubase has had on going problems ( particularly when using external clock
> sources ) and the problem seems to stem from both companies ( hard to tell
> though ). I doubt that Yamaha will have much incentive to work these
> problems out and make a competitor's hardware a more desirable choice.
>
> On the other hand, Yamaha has deep pockets as others have said and they
are
> very strong innovators in audio technology. I just hope they don't guide
> Steinberg into making software that is too Yamaha centric.
>
> John L Rice
> Drummer@ImJohn.com
>
>
!