confused about syncing and data cables

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Hi all!

After several years with a Motorola V60t, I've taken the plunge and
moved on to a GSM phone, the Motorola V330. Decision's already made,
so if anyone really doesn't like this phone, please don't tell me
about it. I'll figure out whether or not I like it soon enough.

I have Truesync installed and working with my old phone. Specifically,
Truesync claims to be version 3.1.49.1. The "update" option for
Truesync has never worked for me, but I've used Truesync to keep my
handspring visor, palm desktop, and v60 all happily more-or-less in
sync.

I'd like to have that same capability with my new phone, but I admit
to some confusion. Do I need a newer version of Truesync, or just a
data cable with drivers? Will Truesync recognize my phone over
bluetooth if I get a bluetooth dongle, and if so, where would I get
the drivers? Is Truesync supported at all anymore, and if so, how
would I get to tech support? Are there other options, or is Truesync
it? Yes, Palm Desktop is ancient, but I'd rather not run Outlook, and
I'm using a Windows box.

Thanks in advance for any info.

--
monique
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  1. Archived from groups: alt.cellular.motorola (More info?)

    The Truesync software is now considered obsolete and was replaced by the
    Mobile phonetools software.

    "Monique Y. Mudama" <spam@bounceswoosh.org> wrote in message
    news:slrndcc5gj.upv.spam@home.bounceswoosh.org...
    > Hi all!
    >
    > After several years with a Motorola V60t, I've taken the plunge and
    > moved on to a GSM phone, the Motorola V330. Decision's already made,
    > so if anyone really doesn't like this phone, please don't tell me
    > about it. I'll figure out whether or not I like it soon enough.
    >
    > I have Truesync installed and working with my old phone. Specifically,
    > Truesync claims to be version 3.1.49.1. The "update" option for
    > Truesync has never worked for me, but I've used Truesync to keep my
    > handspring visor, palm desktop, and v60 all happily more-or-less in
    > sync.
    >
    > I'd like to have that same capability with my new phone, but I admit
    > to some confusion. Do I need a newer version of Truesync, or just a
    > data cable with drivers? Will Truesync recognize my phone over
    > bluetooth if I get a bluetooth dongle, and if so, where would I get
    > the drivers? Is Truesync supported at all anymore, and if so, how
    > would I get to tech support? Are there other options, or is Truesync
    > it? Yes, Palm Desktop is ancient, but I'd rather not run Outlook, and
    > I'm using a Windows box.
    >
    > Thanks in advance for any info.
    >
    > --
    > monique
  2. Archived from groups: alt.cellular.motorola (More info?)

    On 2005-07-02, Destrux penned:
    > The Truesync software is now considered obsolete and was replaced by
    > the Mobile phonetools software.

    If I read the product description right, though, it supports only
    outlook, outlook express, ms exchange, and lotus notes. I distinctly
    remember nuking outlook express from my system. It's not exactly
    known for being secure and bug-free.

    *sigh*

    I see no mention of syncing with my PDA, either.

    Ah, well. Thanks. Looks like for my purposes at least, it's a major
    step backwards from Truesync.

    --
    monique
  3. Archived from groups: alt.cellular.motorola (More info?)

    I am/will be in a similar situation. Albeit I updated my Palm software
    and it left Truesync unable to work with my old V60 (GSM).

    The only software available (to my knowledge) that syncs with the Palm
    database is from DataPilot

    http://datapilot.com/

    Your old cable that worked with you V60 should be compatible with the
    V330, but I have not personally verified that it works with
    DataPilot.... but I believe it should...

    You can buy/download it online...

    If you do, could you please post or send me an email about how you feel
    it works with the V330?

    Thanks, SFB

    Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
    > On 2005-07-02, Destrux penned:
    >
    >>The Truesync software is now considered obsolete and was replaced by
    >>the Mobile phonetools software.
    >
    >
    > If I read the product description right, though, it supports only
    > outlook, outlook express, ms exchange, and lotus notes. I distinctly
    > remember nuking outlook express from my system. It's not exactly
    > known for being secure and bug-free.
    >
    > *sigh*
    >
    > I see no mention of syncing with my PDA, either.
    >
    > Ah, well. Thanks. Looks like for my purposes at least, it's a major
    > step backwards from Truesync.
    >
  4. Archived from groups: alt.cellular.motorola (More info?)

    On 2005-07-02, SFB penned:
    > I am/will be in a similar situation. Albeit I updated my Palm
    > software and it left Truesync unable to work with my old V60 (GSM).
    >
    > The only software available (to my knowledge) that syncs with the
    > Palm database is from DataPilot
    >
    > http://datapilot.com/
    >
    > Your old cable that worked with you V60 should be compatible with
    > the V330, but I have not personally verified that it works with
    > DataPilot.... but I believe it should...
    >
    > You can buy/download it online...
    >
    > If you do, could you please post or send me an email about how you
    > feel it works with the V330?
    >
    > Thanks, SFB

    Done ...

    I downloaded DataPilot. They recommended that I buy their data
    cables, of course, but I was able to use the cable that came with my
    TrueSync with no trouble at all. The installer for both software and
    drivers went smoothly.

    Having played with this for about an hour now (I'll play with it more
    later) ...

    I have mixed opinions here.

    My first comment would be that this is not true synchronization. You
    can import numbers from several sources, and you can export them to
    Outlook (only. You can import from Palm but not export to it). But
    you can't say "make it all fit together and take the latest from
    each," as you could with Truesync. That's kinda lame.

    My second comment would be that Palm is definitely the redheaded
    stepchild. You can't export phone numbers to Palm. You can't import
    Palm's calendar at all. Claiming they work with Palm without stating
    a caveat ... seems like false advertising to me.

    That being said, I'm not too hung up about having my calendar on my
    phone; I'm more concerned about the phone numbers. That part seems to
    work pretty well. It's all or nothing; it overwrites the phone book
    every time. But it knows how many numbers you can store, and you can
    specify a number slot to put something on the phone or in SIM. The
    interface seems cleaner and less buggy than Truesync was.

    It also allows you to use up to eight phones on one license, so if you
    have multiple people sharing one computer, that could be nice. Of
    course you'd need the right cables, but it's not restricted to one
    brand, either.

    Eventually I'd like to get a powerbook, and there's apparently a Mac
    version of DP ... it's just that with the support of Palm being as
    poor as it is on the Windows version, I have to wonder what exactly is
    available for the Mac version.


    --
    monique
  5. Archived from groups: alt.cellular.motorola (More info?)

    Monique, thanks for your detailed review! I always have problems with
    the last version of Truesync, especially with the Palm OS upgrade I did.
    Seemed to always get two entries... one on the SIM card the other on
    the phone... always had to delete one... it was a pain but still a lot
    less work than manually putting all those numbers in my phone (over 300)...

    Bummer that it won't sync both ways... phone to computer and computer to
    phone

    As for the calendar, most of the time I still carry my Palm around for
    that anyway... if needed. I already have the V60 cable like you so that
    will work if I get the V330, but it looks like the V3 Razr, coming out
    on TMobile USA on July 11th, has a different connector... thanks
    Motorola! I will see what I can find online cable wise for the Razr if
    I go that way. It depends on cost ultimately...

    Since you can choose to load numbers to the SIM or the phone, maybe you
    can load everything in the Palm Desktop database to the SIM, and nothing
    to the phone. Then as you add numbers during the day, you can save
    those numbers to the PHONE... "maybe" when you sync the next time it
    won't touch the phone entries since you are not uploading any to it...
    do you understand what I am trying to say?

    Well, good luck and please keep me posted as the Razr is till about a
    week away...

    SFB

    Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
    > On 2005-07-02, SFB penned:
    >
    >>I am/will be in a similar situation. Albeit I updated my Palm
    >>software and it left Truesync unable to work with my old V60 (GSM).
    >>
    >>The only software available (to my knowledge) that syncs with the
    >>Palm database is from DataPilot
    >>
    >>http://datapilot.com/
    >>
    >>Your old cable that worked with you V60 should be compatible with
    >>the V330, but I have not personally verified that it works with
    >>DataPilot.... but I believe it should...
    >>
    >>You can buy/download it online...
    >>
    >>If you do, could you please post or send me an email about how you
    >>feel it works with the V330?
    >>
    >>Thanks, SFB
    >
    >
    > Done ...
    >
    > I downloaded DataPilot. They recommended that I buy their data
    > cables, of course, but I was able to use the cable that came with my
    > TrueSync with no trouble at all. The installer for both software and
    > drivers went smoothly.
    >
    > Having played with this for about an hour now (I'll play with it more
    > later) ...
    >
    > I have mixed opinions here.
    >
    > My first comment would be that this is not true synchronization. You
    > can import numbers from several sources, and you can export them to
    > Outlook (only. You can import from Palm but not export to it). But
    > you can't say "make it all fit together and take the latest from
    > each," as you could with Truesync. That's kinda lame.
    >
    > My second comment would be that Palm is definitely the redheaded
    > stepchild. You can't export phone numbers to Palm. You can't import
    > Palm's calendar at all. Claiming they work with Palm without stating
    > a caveat ... seems like false advertising to me.
    >
    > That being said, I'm not too hung up about having my calendar on my
    > phone; I'm more concerned about the phone numbers. That part seems to
    > work pretty well. It's all or nothing; it overwrites the phone book
    > every time. But it knows how many numbers you can store, and you can
    > specify a number slot to put something on the phone or in SIM. The
    > interface seems cleaner and less buggy than Truesync was.
    >
    > It also allows you to use up to eight phones on one license, so if you
    > have multiple people sharing one computer, that could be nice. Of
    > course you'd need the right cables, but it's not restricted to one
    > brand, either.
    >
    > Eventually I'd like to get a powerbook, and there's apparently a Mac
    > version of DP ... it's just that with the support of Palm being as
    > poor as it is on the Windows version, I have to wonder what exactly is
    > available for the Mac version.
    >
    >
  6. Archived from groups: alt.cellular.motorola (More info?)

    On 2005-07-03, SFB penned:
    >
    > As for the calendar, most of the time I still carry my Palm around
    > for that anyway... if needed. I already have the V60 cable like you
    > so that will work if I get the V330, but it looks like the V3 Razr,
    > coming out on TMobile USA on July 11th, has a different connector...
    > thanks Motorola! I will see what I can find online cable wise for
    > the Razr if I go that way. It depends on cost ultimately...

    Seems like I've seen a cable for the Razr somewhere ... don't remember
    where, though. I didn't realize it was going to be available on
    T-Mobile; ah well. I thought I read, though, that it's not really as
    small as it makes itself out to be; slender, yes, but for that all of
    the other dimensions are larger.

    > Since you can choose to load numbers to the SIM or the phone, maybe
    > you can load everything in the Palm Desktop database to the SIM, and
    > nothing to the phone. Then as you add numbers during the day, you
    > can save those numbers to the PHONE... "maybe" when you sync the
    > next time it won't touch the phone entries since you are not
    > uploading any to it... do you understand what I am trying to say?

    I understand ... for me, syncing probably won't be a big issue. I
    almost never store phone numbers to the phone directly; I store them
    to my palm or on the computer, then put them on the phone. So
    overwriting is fine. Also, you can load both the phone contents and
    the palm datebook contents into DP, then copy/paste from one to the
    other, so you can do one-offs if you know which one you need.

    > Well, good luck and please keep me posted as the Razr is till about
    > a week away...

    One thing I forgot to mention is that, unlike TrueSync (at least my
    version), you don't load a certain category; you load the entire
    phonebook. I don't actually want this, so I ended up creating a
    second user on the Palm desktop and copying the phone numbers I wanted
    to that user. Then I just selected that user's database to load in
    DP. More indirection. If you like all of your phone numbers to be
    available on your phone, that might not bother you.

    --
    monique
  7. Archived from groups: alt.cellular.motorola (More info?)

    Thanks for all your comments! The V330 just went down to $99 with
    TMobile so it will depend on the cost of the Razr... you are very
    correct it is "thinner" but not "smaller"...

    I use Ver. 4.1.4 of the Palm Desktop... and use the last upgrade that
    Motorola provided... I've had to split my database in two so that all
    the various numbers, home, work, cell etc. could fit. I set it up so
    that most went to the phone with the rest going to the SIM.. I believe
    the V330 and Razr allow 1000 entries so that won't be a problem anymore.

    My V60 would show the TYPE of phone number with little symbols like a
    house or a cell phone to differentiate between what each number was for
    each contact... this only worked when saved to the phone.

    Thanks again for your input and comments....


    SFB


    >
    > One thing I forgot to mention is that, unlike TrueSync (at least my
    > version), you don't load a certain category; you load the entire
    > phonebook. I don't actually want this, so I ended up creating a
    > second user on the Palm desktop and copying the phone numbers I wanted
    > to that user. Then I just selected that user's database to load in
    > DP. More indirection. If you like all of your phone numbers to be
    > available on your phone, that might not bother you.
    >
  8. Archived from groups: alt.cellular.motorola (More info?)

    The razr v3 is a little wider than a v600 - about the same width as the
    old StarTAC and easier to hold. It is half the thickness of the v600 and
    has no external antenna. As far as the connector goes, yes, do thank
    Motorola for finally switching to an industry standard connector instead
    of a proprietary one. The phone uses a standard 5 pin mini-USB connector
    just like the one used on so many digital cameras and MP3 players. I
    already had cables from both my camera and MP3 so didn't have to buy
    another. I've been using Motorola phones since the original brick
    phone of the 80's and I have to say the v3 is far and away their best
    phone yet. I've had mine since November on TMo and it's a terrific
    phone.

    From:Monique Y. Mudama
    spam@bounceswoosh.org

    > On 2005-07-03, SFB penned:
    >>
    >> As for the calendar, most of the time I still carry my Palm around
    >> for that anyway... if needed. I already have the V60 cable like you
    >> so that will work if I get the V330, but it looks like the V3 Razr,
    >> coming out on TMobile USA on July 11th, has a different connector...
    >> thanks Motorola! I will see what I can find online cable wise for
    >> the Razr if I go that way. It depends on cost ultimately...
    >
    > Seems like I've seen a cable for the Razr somewhere ... don't remember
    > where, though. I didn't realize it was going to be available on
    > T-Mobile; ah well. I thought I read, though, that it's not really as
    > small as it makes itself out to be; slender, yes, but for that all of
    > the other dimensions are larger.
    >
    >> Since you can choose to load numbers to the SIM or the phone, maybe
    >> you can load everything in the Palm Desktop database to the SIM, and
    >> nothing to the phone. Then as you add numbers during the day, you
    >> can save those numbers to the PHONE... "maybe" when you sync the
    >> next time it won't touch the phone entries since you are not
    >> uploading any to it... do you understand what I am trying to say?
    >
    > I understand ... for me, syncing probably won't be a big issue. I
    > almost never store phone numbers to the phone directly; I store them
    > to my palm or on the computer, then put them on the phone. So
    > overwriting is fine. Also, you can load both the phone contents and
    > the palm datebook contents into DP, then copy/paste from one to the
    > other, so you can do one-offs if you know which one you need.
    >
    >> Well, good luck and please keep me posted as the Razr is till about
    >> a week away...
    >
    > One thing I forgot to mention is that, unlike TrueSync (at least my
    > version), you don't load a certain category; you load the entire
    > phonebook. I don't actually want this, so I ended up creating a
    > second user on the Palm desktop and copying the phone numbers I wanted
    > to that user. Then I just selected that user's database to load in
    > DP. More indirection. If you like all of your phone numbers to be
    > available on your phone, that might not bother you.
    >
    > --
    > monique
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