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It appears that the Symantec Coorporation, our wonderful Nortons product line that includes Nortons Ghost 2003[which for cloning drives with the NTFS file system is hit or miss and usually is miss], and Nortons Anti-Virus 2004[which they are loading down with extra crap trying to access the internet all the time and activation features], (why can't they just leave a good product alone?).

Is now the new owner of Partition Magic, IMO that sucks!






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Plus the Norton System works component has that Connection Keep Alive option for Dial-up users that constantly pings either you Home Page or the www.symantic.com home page or your Favourites folder. Or all three.

Going to Options then Connection Keep Alive does not let you turn the freaking piece of crap off either. I am on high speed cable and I could feel that biotch hit me in multy player games every 1 Minute and I was sure I had a Trojan in my computer and searched the [-peep-] out of it.

I had forgotten all about this Symantec Connection keep alive bitch.

I have done the only logical thing I can do with this option that is automatically installed with system works.

I have set it to ping My Favourites as it will not take more then a millisecond and I have set the Simulate network activity every to 15 minutes as you cannot turn it off :mad:

I have it set to disable when inactive for more then 10 minutes, however being on cable it will never be Inactive.

Symantec needs to have this option removable on a CUSTOM install.

Symantec has for years been whipped by users because they integrate to deeply into users computers and consume mass amounts of system resources.

I use an independent other company fire wall and Anti-Virus software.

I have custom installed Norton system works so it only contains the Norton Utilities Find And Fix Problems & the Web Tools Web Cleanup options.

Every other part of the Symantec product including Ghost has not been installed.

Accept I cannot remove this resource trash Connection Keep Alive not needed by anyone throw back to 28K dial-up crap.


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I heard they bought PowerQuest, maker of Drive Image, far superior to Ghost! Ugh!

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They bought Atguard before that...

The day Microsoft will make something that doesn't suck is the day they'll start making vacuum cleaners.

Reply to Snorkius

I had 2 brand new Maxtor identical drives when I built the new XP 3200+ computer and I installed XP Pro onto the first primary drive and wanted to make a duplicate onto the back-up secondary drive. Ghost did not allow me to either partition for the max size of the drive and after I finally accepted that problem and performed the Ghost operations and later disconnected the primary and set the jumper on the slave drive to primary the computer system said the OS was present but none bootable.

I simply gave up the ghost on doing it a total frustrating time with ghost and I do know exactly how to use it as I have done more then a few computers with ghost backing up drives. it simply did not want to make a fully operational bootable backup.

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Reply to SoDNighthawk

Actually, I think that's one of the anti-pirating features of XP, I believe something is written to the drive outside of the partition. Also, I believe the drives would have to be identicle for the coppy to work under XP.

But the good news is, you can probably ghost one drive to another and make it bootable by doing a simple "repair" installation of XP, so the proper drive info is written. That would mean you don't loose your installed programs, etc.

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I remember when Creative bought Aureal simply so they could seal the technology. Basically, Aureal had very little money and a far superior product. Creative filed frivolous lawsuits against them a couple times and lost, but Aureal went broke paying their defense lawyers. Before Aureal could file any suit for damages (due to frivolous suit), their banks closed in, and Aureal went bankrupt.

Guillemot tried to buy Aureal out of bankruptcy, but Creative had a standing offer: Whatever Guillemot could pay, they would offer $100,000 more. That was because Creative wanted to prevent Guillemot from gaining access to this superior technology.

So did Creative ever use any of that tech? No. In the end, all Creative did was harm the consumer.

I have a feeling that's what's going to happen with all the nice software Norton bought.

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That about sums it up.

Nothing Norton ever makes will be good, if they continue to make huge, resource-hungry, playskool themed software.

I was (still am) a fan of Atguard. Tried the Norton firewall after the buy-out: it was 10x bigger, buggier, bright yellow/blue whatever, took up copious amount of resources; something I couldn't afford at the time with a 650 Athlon.


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I tried the repair option for XP Pro and both hard drive's are identical 40 Gig Maxtor's same 8MB cache.

It really pissed me off because I know it should work. System was built with both drives installed and correctly jumperd before it was ever booted the first time.

Never had a problem with this one System accept for Ghost, the wife's XP 2800+ box ghosted perfectly but she has XP home not pro.

There is many benefits I think for home users to stick to XP home and not Pro. Aside from all the extra networking options in XP Pro that they do not need.

There is one very small detail that keeps nagging me about the A7N8X Deluxe ver2.0 motherboard I have in the 3200+ box that keeps me thinking about it.

The board has an Nvidia LAN RJ45 and a 3COM RJ45 connectors set-up.

XP cannot verify ownership to Microsoft at install because the RJ45's need drivers loaded later at the desktop they will not allow any internet traffic even secure through XP at install.

I have a nagging feeling that during the Ghost process that the Ghosted copy loses either the drivers for the built in Networking or gets confused as to witch connection is active 3Com or Nvidia RJ45's.

Since I cannot get the ghost copy to safe mode I cannot verify this data loss. Safe mode with networking does not work either.

Might not be Ghost but the RJ45's failing the ghost process, Stranger things but this my hunch.

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Reply to SoDNighthawk

Like I said, I prefered PowerQuest Drive Image rather than Ghost.

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I have a nagging feeling that during the Ghost process that the Ghosted copy loses either the drivers for the built in Networking or gets confused as to witch connection is active 3Com or Nvidia RJ45's.

Since I cannot get the ghost copy to safe mode I cannot verify this data loss. Safe mode with networking does not work either.

Might not be Ghost but the RJ45's failing the ghost process, Stranger things but this my hunch.



I seriously doubt that, I have a completely different setup than you, and I haven't with 2 different M/Bs made a successful working backup clone with Ghost 2003 yet, and the very reason I purchased Ghost 2003 was because it was supposed to be able to clone WinXP to a backup HDD, something I'd done for years with Win98SE and Ghost 2001. Nortons Ghost 2003 is just flat out sh1t software, it was a rip off period. Thats why I made this post, I believe they're going to screw up Partition Magic, an excellent piece of software but it won't be that way when Nortons gets through with it.




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Actually, I think that's one of the anti-pirating features of XP, I believe something is written to the drive outside of the partition. Also, I believe the drives would have to be identicle for the coppy to work under XP.



You just might be right about that as far as the XP anti-pirating [activation feature], or the Ghosts drive marking feature for that matter that popped up with 2003, I've tried marking and not marking the drives each time with the same failed clone. So if the marking feature is not the problem, then its got to have something to do with XPs anti-piracy features.



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But the good news is, you can probably ghost one drive to another and make it bootable by doing a simple "repair" installation of XP, so the proper drive info is written. That would mean you don't loose your installed programs, etc.



I've tried that with no success.







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