where could I find appropriate Rnc 1773 vocal knob setting..

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On 11 Jan 2005 08:01:29 -0800, bluesjeon@hotmail.com (bj) wrote:

>I tried to find appropriate Rnc 1773 knob setting for vocal
>my vocal sound style is somewhat a commercial Rnb vocal style.. or
>alternative or modernrock pretty voice style or 2-pac or 50 cent style
>rap...
>
>where can I find vocal setting for Rnc 1773?
>
>My recording guide book says 4:1 threshold 0.5ms attack and 0.5 sec
>release
>
>then, can I adopt that setting in super nice mode...
>but the manual says 6:1 threshold and 6.0ms attack and 0.5sec release
>in SNmode
>I am comfused...


Can you hear a difference? Which sounds best? What's wrong with the
sound with NO compression? Can you correct this by improving your
microphone technique and/or your singing technique?


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bj <bluesjeon@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I tried to find appropriate Rnc 1773 knob setting for vocal
>my vocal sound style is somewhat a commercial Rnb vocal style.. or
>alternative or modernrock pretty voice style or 2-pac or 50 cent style
>rap...
>
>where can I find vocal setting for Rnc 1773?

You cannot. You have to use your ears.

>My recording guide book says 4:1 threshold 0.5ms attack and 0.5 sec
>release
>
>then, can I adopt that setting in super nice mode...
>but the manual says 6:1 threshold and 6.0ms attack and 0.5sec release
>in SNmode
>I am comfused...

There are no magical numbers. Spend an afternoon and get a sense of what
the knobs do. In "super nice" mode, the knee is very soft, so it might be
more obvious to hear what is going on in regular mode. Get a sense for
what goes on when you move each control.

If you increase the attack, you will get less overshoot, but then you will
also get less of a sense of sharpness and bite as the attack on the note
is squashed. If you increase the decay, you will get less of a sense of
reverb as the note dies out. Adjusting the threshold adjusts the level at
which the compression begins.

Start with all the controls at 12:00, then start turning them and listening
to what happens when you adjust each one. Don't believe ANYONE who gives you
a bunch of magic settings and tells you to use them.
--scott
--
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I must be the only soul on this planet who doesn't like the RNC on vocals.

I even prefer the old 166 - nobody believe me when I say that, but it's
true.
The RNC doesn't really cut it for me.
I do like the RNC set as a peak limiter on dynamically non-complex stereo
sources.

And I won't change my mind: it distorts sine waves as soon as the threshold
is crossed, no matter how you set it.

Not that it matters when compressing vocals of course...

JP

"bj" <bluesjeon@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:1c7c168a.0501110801.3a97ecc3@posting.google.com...
> I tried to find appropriate Rnc 1773 knob setting for vocal
> my vocal sound style is somewhat a commercial Rnb vocal style.. or
> alternative or modernrock pretty voice style or 2-pac or 50 cent style
> rap...
>
> where can I find vocal setting for Rnc 1773?
>
> My recording guide book says 4:1 threshold 0.5ms attack and 0.5 sec
> release
>
> then, can I adopt that setting in super nice mode...
> but the manual says 6:1 threshold and 6.0ms attack and 0.5sec release
> in SNmode
> I am comfused...

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bj wrote:

> I tried to find appropriate Rnc 1773 knob setting for vocal
> my vocal sound style is somewhat a commercial Rnb vocal style.. or
> alternative or modernrock pretty voice style or 2-pac or 50 cent style
> rap...

> where can I find vocal setting for Rnc 1773?

> My recording guide book says 4:1 threshold 0.5ms attack and 0.5 sec
> release

> then, can I adopt that setting in super nice mode...
> but the manual says 6:1 threshold and 6.0ms attack and 0.5sec release
> in SNmode

There is no such thing anymore than there is one shoe size for people
with brown hair and another for people with blond hair. A compressor is
a musical instrument; like any instrument you must learn to play it by
practicing and listening.

--
ha

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In article <1105466692.089926.281770@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
<novamusic@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> If you increase the attack, you will get less overshoot, but then you
>will
>> also get less of a sense of sharpness and bite as the attack on the
>note
>> is squashed. If you increase the decay, you will get less of a sense
>of
>> reverb as the note dies out. Adjusting the threshold adjusts the
>level at
>> which the compression begins.
>
>Scott, wouldn't increasing the attack (time) let *more* of the initial
>transients though, leaving more 'bite' and 'sharpness'?

Hmmm.... I am thinking of increasing the attack speed and not the attack
time. So you're right, since the RNC control is calibrated that way.

>And by decay,
>you mean release on the RNC, right?

Right.

>To the OP: IIRC, the attack and possibly release knobs operate
>differently in SN mode. You can go to the FMR web site or check the RNC
>manual for suggested settings, I believe.

This is because the onset of compression in SN mode is much, much more
gradual. Rather than an abrupt knee, it is a much softer action.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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In article <1c7c168a.0501110801.3a97ecc3@posting.google.com> bluesjeon@hotmail.com writes:

> My recording guide book says 4:1 threshold 0.5ms attack and 0.5 sec
> release
>
> then, can I adopt that setting in super nice mode...
> but the manual says 6:1 threshold and 6.0ms attack and 0.5sec release
> in SNmode

Your guide book is just that - a guide book. The "setting" for your
recording (not your "voice" ) is whatever sounds right to you. What
makes you think you need any comrepssion at all? Just because someone
else does?

I'm pretty sure there are some tips on the FMR web site. Did you check
that out?

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In article <cs171b$b7$1@panix2.panix.com>, kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

> >To the OP: IIRC, the attack and possibly release knobs operate
> >differently in SN mode. You can go to the FMR web site or check the RNC
> >manual for suggested settings, I believe.
>
> This is because the onset of compression in SN mode is much, much more
> gradual. Rather than an abrupt knee, it is a much softer action.
> --scott

I would also add that SN mode seems to use a long decay time. It works
quite nicely so that the unit rides the level smoothly. I tend to
shorten the release and speed the attack. Threshold and ratio depend on
source and material.

Hi guys I'm using an avalon preamp and a brauner microphone, 90% for rap, where I sometimes have different levels of volume of the voice and very punchy parts now and then I hope you know what I mean (sorry for my englisch, I'm not native).. so because of this I thought it might be good to buy the RNC 1773 so that I can get the moste out of the avalon without overamplifying..but I only need something for limiting..I don't want to distort the original signal..
Is this possible with this hardware or do you have better ideas?

Thanks a lot for your help!!
Martin