mackie control going back.

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Faders are not reliable enough for production work. it seems that the
faders use your bodys contact to ground itself and begin sending
feedback to the software, but it seems that the faders have a tendency
of dropping out data or getting stuck ruining your mix and having to go
back and do another take. This was confirmed with 2 boards.

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jdobb2001 wrote:
> it seems that the
> faders use your bodys contact to ground itself and begin sending
> feedback to the software,

This is how most, if not all pro moving fader systems work. Neve Flying
Faders, for example, uses this method.


--
Eric

www.Raw-Tracks.com

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jdobb2001 wrote:
> Faders are not reliable enough for production work. it seems that the
> faders use your bodys contact to ground itself and begin sending
> feedback to the software, but it seems that the faders have a
tendency
> of dropping out data or getting stuck ruining your mix and having to
go
> back and do another take. This was confirmed with 2 boards.

I thought the same thing about this one SSL G once upon a time.
Real dog that console, and they couldn't figure out why the automation
was so messed up on it either.


Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio / Fox News / M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

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Samplitude and I tested 2 boards on 2 of our samplitude workstations.
same thing I was told to look at the midi controller incoming data and
it confirmed it. you can see where it drops midi sometimes etc..

It was working okay initially but then a few days later it seemed like
the faders got jumpy. I loved it when it was working but I cannot feel
confident working on something that might or might not be 100%
Back to the mouse.

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"jdobb2001" <jdobbs2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Samplitude and I tested 2 boards on 2 of our samplitude workstations.
> same thing I was told to look at the midi controller incoming data and
> it confirmed it. you can see where it drops midi sometimes etc..
>
> It was working okay initially but then a few days later it seemed like
> the faders got jumpy. I loved it when it was working but I cannot feel
> confident working on something that might or might not be 100%
> Back to the mouse.

Oh. Well, if you check the Samplitude forums in the hardware area you'll see
this was discussed. There's an issue with the data rate between the computer and
the Mackie Controller and this issue is impacted by latency. The lower your
buffer, the better it tracks. But lower buffer means you cannot use a whole
bunch of plugins, tracks, or both, or you'll have a totally different problem to
deal with.

I talked with Dan at Synthax a week or so ago about the Mackie Controller and
Samplitude. He said they were going to cover this territory at the show this
week. I remember someone (don't recall who) stating that version 8.x of
Samplitude was going to straighten out some of the controlling issues.

I hope so, because I've yet to get any surface working adequately with
Samplitude, including an 01V. This is even more annoying since twice weekly I
sit in another studio that uses Nuendo and a Yamaha DM2000 as the control
surface and it works exceptionally well.

Finally, you could always don your moonsuit and ask in the Samplitude forums.

John LeBlanc
Houston, TX

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"jdobb2001" <jdobbs2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I use the volume envelopes etc via mouse.. but I wanted to use faders,
> yes I would prefer mixing realtime and have sammy record my fader
> volumes it feels more like the way things used to be and I can get a
> much better feel VS mousing.
>
> when I mouse it takes me longer, I was really hoping this board would
> be solid since I really felt at home when it worked fine.

No way is drawing envelopes slower than moving faders in real time.

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In article <u8WdnSvsRp4Ez3PcRVn-3w@comcast.com> arnyk@hotpop.com writes:

> No way is drawing envelopes slower than moving faders in real time.

Sure, once you know where to draw something, and how much. That's fine
if you need to mute or duck something, but if you're actually mixing
music, faster or not, there's no substitute for hearing what happens
when you move a fader.

Of course given the latency of many DAWs, moving the faders doesn't
always work like a real console.


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I've got a Mackie Control and an XT unit (actually they started life as
Logic Controls but got the chip upgrade to make them MC Universal). I
use them with both Pro Tools and Digital Performer through an Opcode
Studio 4 midi interface. They work flawlessly in PT (aside from the HUI
profile's lack of implementation of auxes in any but the first 8
channels). In DP however, all else being the same aside from using the
Mackie Control profile, the fader data glitches sporadically on input,
generating brief, random maximum or minimum fader values. So it appears
the problem in my case is in the software, not the hardware. Might be
for you too.

Ted Spencer, NYC




John_LeBlanc wrote:
> "jdobb2001" <jdobbs2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1106091058.309779.236160@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Samplitude and I tested 2 boards on 2 of our samplitude
workstations.
> > same thing I was told to look at the midi controller incoming data
and
> > it confirmed it. you can see where it drops midi sometimes etc..
> >
> > It was working okay initially but then a few days later it seemed
like
> > the faders got jumpy. I loved it when it was working but I cannot
feel
> > confident working on something that might or might not be 100%
> > Back to the mouse.
>
> Oh. Well, if you check the Samplitude forums in the hardware area
you'll see
> this was discussed. There's an issue with the data rate between the
computer and
> the Mackie Controller and this issue is impacted by latency. The
lower your
> buffer, the better it tracks. But lower buffer means you cannot use a
whole
> bunch of plugins, tracks, or both, or you'll have a totally different
problem to
> deal with.
>
> I talked with Dan at Synthax a week or so ago about the Mackie
Controller and
> Samplitude. He said they were going to cover this territory at the
show this
> week. I remember someone (don't recall who) stating that version 8.x
of
> Samplitude was going to straighten out some of the controlling
issues.
>
> I hope so, because I've yet to get any surface working adequately
with
> Samplitude, including an 01V. This is even more annoying since twice
weekly I
> sit in another studio that uses Nuendo and a Yamaha DM2000 as the
control
> surface and it works exceptionally well.
>
> Finally, you could always don your moonsuit and ask in the Samplitude
forums.
>
> John LeBlanc
> Houston, TX