popfilter can reduce vocal sibilant noise?

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BJ,

You can make your own pop filter using some cheap things your
wife/girlfriend may have around the house (or would know where to get
them)!

First you need a pair of nylon stockings. Any kind will work, but I
like black ones b/c they look better and are easy to find. Don't use
tights, you should be able to see through them when they're stretched
out.

Second you need a cross-stitch hoop. This might not be as easy to find
as stockings. Try a craft store or maybe the craft section of Wal-Mart.
It's a two piece wooden hoop - a smaller hoop fits tightly inside a
bigger, often adjustable outer one. They come in all sizes, but you
probably only need 4-6".

Ok, now comes the hard part to describe, but if you've ever seen a pop
filter, you'll catch on.
-Take your hoop apart and lay the outer piece aside.
-Being careful not to snag, slip the small hoop down one leg of the
stocking to the toe (unless the toe is reenforced [thicker] in which
case you'll want to tie it off just above the toe). If your stockings
have a seam in the toe, try to keep it as close to the edge as
possible.
-Pull the nylon tight without snagging and twist it to close it off
around the hoop. You could tie it with a string or a small nylon cable
tie, but twisting it should work fine.
-Grab the outer ring - it may need to be loosened - and fit it over the
smaller one, again be careful not to snag the nylon or holes will
appear and the filter is useless.
-Tighten the outer ring.

(At this point if you tied the nylon, you could call it quits, but you
may want to filter out alot of syllable sounds [if your talent is loud
or has a harsh voice])

-As if the twisted/tied part was another toe, push the whole
contraption back through the stocking to make a second layer of nylon
over the whole thing. This will further constrain air speed and cover
the wood of the hoop and the seam of the toe, making your pop filter
look a little nicer.
-Now you want to tie the stocking off for sure with a string or nylon
cable tie.

If you didn't snag the nylon, you have a nice pop filter. Affix the
filter to a gooseneck - if you have one - or just clip it onto the
outer ring of your shockmount - if you're using one.

Finally, don't be afraid to experiment - make several different pop
filters and try different ones. Remember to trust your ears, if it
doesn't sound right to you through your montiors/headphones, then it
isn't going to sound good to you when you record/playback either! A
good studio engineer is always experimenting to find the sound he's
looking for.

Good luck!

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bj <bluesjeon@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I am using studio projects c1 and nt1
>but the sibilent noise often occur and hit the 0dbfs ,hence, digital clipping!!!
>but i don't have any popfilter..

So, turn the volume down so it doesn't clip.

>popfilter also can be used to remove sibilant noise like "s"?

Possibly, as can a different microphone or a different placement.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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How about this old school trick: apply less gain at the mic pre.

But to answer your question: a foam windshield will work.
I use Neumann WS87s on my LD condensers all the time.

JP

"bj" <bluesjeon@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de
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> I am using studio projects c1 and nt1
> but the sibilent noise often occur and hit the 0dbfs ,hence, digital
clipping!!!
> but i don't have any popfilter..
> popfilter also can be used to remove sibilant noise like "s"?

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<saxofunk@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> BJ,
>
> You can make your own pop filter using some cheap things your
> wife/girlfriend may have around the house (or would know where to get
> them)!

snip

> If you didn't snag the nylon, you have a nice pop filter. Affix the
> filter to a gooseneck - if you have one - or just clip it onto the
> outer ring of your shockmount - if you're using one.
>
> Finally, don't be afraid to experiment - make several different pop
> filters and try different ones. Remember to trust your ears, if it
> doesn't sound right to you through your montiors/headphones, then it
> isn't going to sound good to you when you record/playback either! A
> good studio engineer is always experimenting to find the sound he's
> looking for.

Everything he said is correct -- you may find the hoops sold as embroidery
hoops.

One thing to add -- if you want a pop filter that *doesn't* cut the
sibilance, but does stop pops, use the toe from a pair of Sheer Energy panty
hose. For sibilance-cutting, use heavier panty hose or stockings.

Peace,
Paul

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As a temporary fix until you get one. Tape a Pencil down the middle of the
mic to break up the air. (Honest I saw a demo of it on one of the music
mags this month.. Possibly computer music). Pop shields are about £10 in
maplins, here in the UK.

Rollasoc
http://www.hairthieves.com


"bj" <bluesjeon@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I am using studio projects c1 and nt1
> but the sibilent noise often occur and hit the 0dbfs ,hence, digital
clipping!!!
> but i don't have any popfilter..
> popfilter also can be used to remove sibilant noise like "s"?

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http://radio.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2004/10/17/161...

<saxofunk@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> BJ,
>
> You can make your own pop filter using some cheap things your
> wife/girlfriend may have around the house (or would know where to get
> them)!
>
> First you need a pair of nylon stockings. Any kind will work, but I
> like black ones b/c they look better and are easy to find. Don't use
> tights, you should be able to see through them when they're stretched
> out.
>
> Second you need a cross-stitch hoop. This might not be as easy to find
> as stockings. Try a craft store or maybe the craft section of Wal-Mart.
> It's a two piece wooden hoop - a smaller hoop fits tightly inside a
> bigger, often adjustable outer one. They come in all sizes, but you
> probably only need 4-6".
>
> Ok, now comes the hard part to describe, but if you've ever seen a pop
> filter, you'll catch on.
> -Take your hoop apart and lay the outer piece aside.
> -Being careful not to snag, slip the small hoop down one leg of the
> stocking to the toe (unless the toe is reenforced [thicker] in which
> case you'll want to tie it off just above the toe). If your stockings
> have a seam in the toe, try to keep it as close to the edge as
> possible.
> -Pull the nylon tight without snagging and twist it to close it off
> around the hoop. You could tie it with a string or a small nylon cable
> tie, but twisting it should work fine.
> -Grab the outer ring - it may need to be loosened - and fit it over the
> smaller one, again be careful not to snag the nylon or holes will
> appear and the filter is useless.
> -Tighten the outer ring.
>
> (At this point if you tied the nylon, you could call it quits, but you
> may want to filter out alot of syllable sounds [if your talent is loud
> or has a harsh voice])
>
> -As if the twisted/tied part was another toe, push the whole
> contraption back through the stocking to make a second layer of nylon
> over the whole thing. This will further constrain air speed and cover
> the wood of the hoop and the seam of the toe, making your pop filter
> look a little nicer.
> -Now you want to tie the stocking off for sure with a string or nylon
> cable tie.
>
> If you didn't snag the nylon, you have a nice pop filter. Affix the
> filter to a gooseneck - if you have one - or just clip it onto the
> outer ring of your shockmount - if you're using one.
>
> Finally, don't be afraid to experiment - make several different pop
> filters and try different ones. Remember to trust your ears, if it
> doesn't sound right to you through your montiors/headphones, then it
> isn't going to sound good to you when you record/playback either! A
> good studio engineer is always experimenting to find the sound he's
> looking for.
>
> Good luck!
>

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Another great technique that nobody mentioned is to simply sing with the mic
at the 1-2 o clock position instead of singing directly into the mic (ie.
face the mic directly and then rotate 45 degrees)....this is a common trick
for voice overs and doesn't effect the sound nearly as much as you'd
think...in fact for some singers this takes some of the edge off their
voice. A pop-filter really isn't necessary if you use this technique, but
they are nice to have....I have a stedman and it works great!

--

Jonny Durango

"Patrick was a saint. I ain't."

http://www.jdurango.com



"bj" <bluesjeon@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I am using studio projects c1 and nt1
> but the sibilent noise often occur and hit the 0dbfs ,hence, digital
clipping!!!
> but i don't have any popfilter..
> popfilter also can be used to remove sibilant noise like "s"?

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"bj" <bluesjeon@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I am using studio projects c1 and nt1
> but the sibilent noise often occur and hit the 0dbfs ,hence, digital
> clipping!!!
> but i don't have any popfilter..
> popfilter also can be used to remove sibilant noise like "s"?

Um, turn it down a few dB and the sibilence won't cause clipping. But it
will still sound like sibilence.

A pop filter won't help sibilence - it will help ppopping. If a pop filter
DOES help sibilence, then chances are it is removing wanted signal too.
Better approach is to change position, microphone, mic preamp, or singer !

geoff

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using two filters will do the trick. vary the distance between then
for diferent amounts of reduction.

also watch the release if you are using compression. too fast, will
bring you ssss up considerably.

best
at

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i meant those nylon stocking pop stoppers.


" AT" <spamnemnot@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> using two filters will do the trick. vary the distance between then
> for diferent amounts of reduction.
>
> also watch the release if you are using compression. too fast, will
> bring you ssss up considerably.
>
> best
> at
>
>

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On 27 Jan 2005 04:46:46 -0800, bluesjeon@hotmail.com (bj) wrote:

>I am using studio projects c1 and nt1
>but the sibilent noise often occur and hit the 0dbfs ,hence, digital clipping!!!
>but i don't have any popfilter..
>popfilter also can be used to remove sibilant noise like "s"?

If anything you're recording hits the limit, turn the level down. You
don't need to record that hot. Period.

A foam pop filter will help. The "nylon tights over a bent
coat-hanger" type is even better. I think you can even buy them
ready-made if you've got money to burn :-)

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