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The big question: Enermax vs Antec

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February 28, 2003 10:07:20 AM

OK, my brother in law has justed asked me to spec up a machine to replace his recently fubar'd PIII. Bad power in their new house (50+ years old, just 2 days away from a complete re-wire! Bummer) nuked the PSU, mobo and cpu sofar as I can tell. Maybe more.

Anyway, he wants a real kicking system, so I'm speccing it up. He asks me about components etc and drops the big "overclocking" one me, he's read about it and he wants to do it. So I advise him about PSU's, cooling etc. Now he wants the best PSU he can get. Here starts the debate....

Now I have an Antec TruePower 480 in my rig, and I'm very happy with it. I would have gone with an Enermax could I have found one, but they are a bit thin on the ground in the UK. He's been reading and want's an Enermax. I initially told him he couldn't have one as I couldn't locate one, but now, alas, I have found a supplier (overclockers.co.uk). Now I'm in a quandry!

I WANT THE ENERMAX MYSELF! I am real tempted to put my Antec into his machine, and have the shiny new Enermax for myself. There's very little in cost difference, so the overall cost to him wouldn't alter.

What should I do? I'm really struggling here, crisis of conscience. Help guys. I really want to do the right thing, but <i>my god I want that PSU!</i>
February 28, 2003 1:54:05 PM

well, id be a hipocryte if i told you it was wrong, i have upgraded parts from my own computer and gave the hand me downs to people i was building computers for. i cover the additional cost though. theres not too much difference between them, but im an enermax fan myself. i guess the difference between what you want to do and what i did is in your case, he knows what he wants and why, in my case, they could care less. so if he wants an enermax specifically i wouldnt give him your antec, it would be a different story if he just needed a power supply, didnt care if it were enermax or antec or whatever.

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February 28, 2003 2:24:40 PM

Gee, you said you were "very happy with" your current PS. So why would you risk starting a quarrel with your bro-in-law when he finds out you kept the PS he specifically asked for? Seems like a no-brainer.
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February 28, 2003 4:11:31 PM

Well, he's been reading and just latched onto the Enermax name. I initially recommended Antec because of my good experiences with it. But when I bought the Antec, I lusted after an enermax but couldn't find one. And now I can. Dumb luck!

He's not really up on the latest and greatest, but reads a lot of mags (not many 'net forums tho), so I may just quote him for the Antec and get the Enermax. The Antec is barely 6 weeks old.

I'll see if I can talk him round...!
February 28, 2003 4:17:52 PM

He doesn't know that I can now get them (<i>I</i> did't know until earlier today!). So, as far as he's concerned, Antec looks like the choice. That's what I told him I could get.I ain't stiffing him, the Antec is proven working (in my rig), so I <i>know</i> it'll be OK. I just love the Enermax!
February 28, 2003 6:22:32 PM

If you want the best go with an Enermax 465AX-VE (FMA)...the +12V power is superior to the antec.

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February 28, 2003 6:35:36 PM

Another vote for Enermax.
February 28, 2003 6:39:34 PM

I would keep the Enermax and give him the Antec at lower price. I have been sales my older parts to family and friend for a long time.
February 28, 2003 11:44:11 PM

I think maybe you should have given him a lower price for the antec. Since you said you had experience with antec and he finds you have a enermax, then he might get mad.

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March 1, 2003 3:55:43 AM

Tom did a review on powersupplies a while back and the antec true power rated better than the enermax.
March 1, 2003 5:25:53 AM

All of my Antec's are garbage. None are true power.

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March 1, 2003 5:27:46 AM

I recomend Enermax because Antec's basic supplies are garbage. I hear their True Power series is excellent, but I've never owned a True Power. I've gone through some grief over their more basic supplies, so I bear a grudge against the company.

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March 1, 2003 10:37:51 AM

That thread of Grub's seems to point out the generic 400W supply is crap next to the 300W non-True Antec though.

or is it a question of:

CRAP
Not so CRAP
True

:smile:

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March 1, 2003 4:29:02 PM

I have an Enermax Whisper 430W and an Antec TruPower 430W, both perform roughly the same. They're both excellent. It doesn't really matter whether you have Enermax or Antec.

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March 1, 2003 6:21:04 PM

And there's the problem with generics, you don't know what you're getting. Many of my "generics" do better than my low end Antecs. But when you're dealing with generics, your results will vary depending on manufacturer. So "good" generics are better than low end Antec, while "bad" generics are worse.

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March 4, 2003 11:57:14 AM

You're right, it's the best way. I've offered it him at a (very) nice price and he's happy. I get the Enermax, everyone's a winner!
March 4, 2003 12:08:00 PM

Well, when I first decided to upgrade the PSU, I read Tom's PSU review, and all the forums etc. Although the Antec TruePower 330 (or was it 380?!) came out as best overall, I had this longing for the enermax after reading all about it.

The Antec is good, but there's this nagging sense of what might have been (And I'm a greedy bastard who likes shiny new stuff..). So when I found the Enermax in this country, it was like "ohshit". I am a bad luck person (list of gear owned includes.... ECS K7S5A, Fujitsu HD (x2, yes, both of the faulty batch), IBM Deathstar..You get the picture)!

It's a bit like wanting a R9700pro and finding you couldn't get one and having to settle for a R9500pro. Now, that's not to say there's nothing wrong with the 9500, it's a great card, but when you've built yourself up for the 9700, everything else kinda seems lame in comparison. Do you get what I mean!? Sorry to go on a bit!
March 4, 2003 12:17:37 PM

It's a TruePower 480 that I have in my rig at the mo', that's poised to go in his (now I've offered it him at a very reasonable price). I know you're feelings on Antec Crash, and I'm pretty sure we've spoke about them on other occasions!

Enermax was the one I wanted all along, and most people in here have backed up my initial thoughts on them. Now, I'm gonna get it!
March 4, 2003 4:25:33 PM

I love my 550W Enermax, running cool and silent, never owned an Antec. But if I were him then I would invest into a back up like APC, the good ones take care of bad lines keeping your setup safe. Mine kicked in a lot since I got it last year, no more reboots from brownouts. It was a great investment.

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March 4, 2003 11:06:41 PM

Another vote for enermax. Ive got the 550W enermax with temp variable fans... better than the manually adjust one. Runs cool and quiet even with serious overclocks.

P.S. ever considered getting a UPS? it could have prevented that system burnout that your bro experienced.

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March 5, 2003 12:14:08 AM

I've got an Antec True Power 550W in my server rig and am very happy with it. Although I have no experience with Enermax, so I can't really compare.
March 5, 2003 12:14:49 AM

I've got an Antec True Power 550W in my server rig and am very happy with it. Although I have no experience with Enermax, so I can't really compare the two.
March 5, 2003 9:42:54 AM

That's not a bad call actually. Seeing as how all I know on UPS's you could write onto a stamp with a BIG magic marker, could you guys give me some advice on the subject?

AndrewT, your help also too, as you said the same!

Oh, and the bro-in-law is happy to have the Antec!
Enermax, here I come!
March 5, 2003 10:14:25 PM

With the thumping bit 550W PSU's you most likely arnt going to be running anything near full load, so the diffs between enermax and antec are probably bugger all.

Regarding UPS's, i believe they are godsends if you live in an area with dodgy power, frequent blackouts or you live in an old house with suspect wiring.

The day i decided to get a UPS was the day when I experienced a 1-2 second blackout that took 3-4 hours of windows repairing and debugging to fix!
I WAS NOT a happy camper.

There are a number of brands, all about the same quality wise, the ones i know of are APC and Belkin.
UPS's are basically a box that monitors and filters line power, with a smallish battery to provide continuous power should mains become unstable or nonexistant.

For small to medium powered systems a 200 or 300VA UPS should be sufficient.
The larger the 'VA' number the more powerful computer it can support for a longer period of time should you suffer an extended blackout.

My ACP 500VA unit is good for at least 5 minutes, probably more, even with my 25% overclocked AMD system.
While obviously i can run for hours on the battery, it gives me heaps of time to do a orderly CONTROLLED shutdown or Hibernate.
And since getting it the unit has saved my system dozens of times.

An investment that has more than paid for itself.





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March 5, 2003 11:47:37 PM

I totally agree LHG! UPS's are definitely worth the money for the power cleaning feature alone! Brownouts and surges do way more damage than an abrupt complete power off. Even if you don't get a chance to do a controlled shutdown, the UPS will quickly cut off the power to your PC once the battery runs out, as opposed to a slow painful poweroff experienced during a brownout or surge.

Also, its worth mentioning is that any GOOD brand UPS (APC or Belkin like LHG mentioned) will also come with a warranty of $5,000 on up for any equipment damanged during a power failure while it was connected to their UPS. How can you go wrong??
March 6, 2003 12:02:07 AM

:)  Yeah... a couple of times now the power and lights has appeared to be stable, yet for no reason the UPS clicks over to battery power and beeps, letting me know that the mains power has become "less than satisfactory".


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March 6, 2003 3:27:16 AM

LOL kinda... but they only really protect against surges and spikes.... not lost phases or power drops or blackouts obviously.

And ive also hear dof cheapy surge protectors doing bugger all when a lightning strike comes through.

One report i read in the last few weeks actually recommended running your pc off a UPS which itself is on a surge protector, so if a monster surge does come through your comparibly expensive UPS isnt fried, only the cheap surge protector.

Dunno if i would go that far. If we do get a bad surge and the UPS dies then its only the cost of replacement of the UPS... not the whole beast of darkness TM.

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March 6, 2003 8:57:42 AM

OK, seen a nice APC one <A HREF="http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?acti..." target="_new">here</A>. Can't link to the product on APC's site tho'. Bummer.

I've told the bro-in-law all about the power probs etc, and he's going to go with a UPS (took a bit of persuading, but I lowered the cost of my Antec, and he's on board. Yay, Enermax my love, here I come!). I'll get one too I think, especially as a couple of days ago we had a power cut at home and I was right in the middle of UT2003. Caused a bit of grief, I must admit.
March 6, 2003 12:22:21 PM

I've actually got an <A HREF="http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm" target="_new">APC Smart-UPS 2200VA RM 3U 120V</A> and its awesome! I recently built out a new data center for my company and we were previously using these 2 per rack. Now we have PROPER UPS for the entire datacenter (those huge monster things that take up a whole room) so I convinced them to let me have one of these. Obviously not everyone can be so lucky, but this thing is great, I get about 30 minutes of battery time during a failure :) 
March 6, 2003 6:59:58 PM

All I got is a surge protector. Maybe thats all I need as my power is very clean and no brown-outs or power problems.

How long before you have to replace the battery? Is it replacable or do you just get a new UPS?

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March 6, 2003 9:04:53 PM

yeah.
The UPS battery is a sealed lead acid battery.
SO it should last at least a good 2-3 years or more... depending on usage.

One would assume less though if you live in a bad power area and its getting drained then rechanrged alot week in, week out.

For most though its only light usage or the occasional complete blackout drain.

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