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Anonymous
June 7, 2004 2:47:11 AM

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"One of the false assumptions that people make is that when they hit the
delete button, messages are gone forever, but nothing can be further
from the truth," said Jeff Kagan, an independent telecommunications
analyst in Atlanta.


<http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1293&e...
/ap_on_hi_te/text_messaging_records&sid=95573418>

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Anonymous
June 7, 2004 5:30:09 AM

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In message <<rmarkoff-038890.17471106062004@news2.west.earthlink.net>>
"Røbert M." <rmarkoff@faq.city> did ramble:

>"One of the false assumptions that people make is that when they hit the
>delete button, messages are gone forever, but nothing can be further
>from the truth," said Jeff Kagan, an independent telecommunications
>analyst in Atlanta.

Umm *duh*

My carrier lets me pull up history on their website.

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Anonymous
June 7, 2004 5:33:25 AM

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In article <ByPwc.6095004$iA2.702339@news.easynews.com>,
DevilsPGD <UseTheReplyToField@crazyhat.net> wrote:

> In message <<rmarkoff-038890.17471106062004@news2.west.earthlink.net>>
> "Røbert M." <rmarkoff@faq.city> did ramble:
>
> >"One of the false assumptions that people make is that when they hit the
> >delete button, messages are gone forever, but nothing can be further
> >from the truth," said Jeff Kagan, an independent telecommunications
> >analyst in Atlanta.
>
> Umm *duh*
>
> My carrier lets me pull up history on their website.

and so can the authorities.
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Anonymous
June 7, 2004 5:33:26 AM

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"Røbert M." <rmarkoff@faq.city> wrote in message
news:rmarkoff-873655.20332506062004@news2.west.earthlink.net...
> In article <ByPwc.6095004$iA2.702339@news.easynews.com>,
> DevilsPGD <UseTheReplyToField@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>
> > In message <<rmarkoff-038890.17471106062004@news2.west.earthlink.net>>
> > "Røbert M." <rmarkoff@faq.city> did ramble:
> >
> > >"One of the false assumptions that people make is that when they hit
the
> > >delete button, messages are gone forever, but nothing can be further
> > >from the truth," said Jeff Kagan, an independent telecommunications
> > >analyst in Atlanta.
> >
> > Umm *duh*
> >
> > My carrier lets me pull up history on their website.
>
> and so can the authorities.

So, that would make it different from every other form of communication just
how? Are you just figuring this out?

That's fine, because like 99% of the people posting and reading here, its
not an issue.
Anonymous
June 7, 2004 5:33:26 AM

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In alt.cellular.sprintpcs "R?bert M." <rmarkoff@faq.city> wrote:

>> My carrier lets me pull up history on their website.
>
> and so can the authorities.

Yeah, well, smart people don't send sensitive information via SMS anyhow.
It's sent through the cellular network and (if necessary) over the Internet
in the clear, unencrypted. So even if your carrier doesn't store archived
copies of your messages, anyone thinking they have any privacy while using
SMS is an idiot.

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Anonymous
June 7, 2004 10:29:02 AM

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In message <<X_KdnTeRBOD7T17d4p2dnA@adelphia.com>> "Scott Stephenson"
<scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> did ramble:

>So, that would make it different from every other form of communication just
>how? Are you just figuring this out?

The difference between that and a phone call is that with a phone call,
only the who, when and where are available, not the what (what was said)

It's a critical difference.

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Anonymous
June 7, 2004 12:03:10 PM

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Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message news:<Isedna4OxqJqb17d4p2dnA@lmi.net>...
> In alt.cellular.sprintpcs "R?bert M." <rmarkoff@faq.city> wrote:
>
> >> My carrier lets me pull up history on their website.
> >
> > and so can the authorities.
>
> Yeah, well, smart people don't send sensitive information via SMS anyhow.
> It's sent through the cellular network and (if necessary) over the Internet
> in the clear, unencrypted. So even if your carrier doesn't store archived
> copies of your messages, anyone thinking they have any privacy while using
> SMS is an idiot.

When I saw the header, i thought it would be about the item I heard on
a talk show a week or so agom, about text mess,in some big name legal
case, maybe the kobe bryant case (?)--the comments were that text
messagage from several months ago were being retrieved.
Anonymous
June 7, 2004 9:37:46 PM

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"DevilsPGD" <UseTheReplyToField@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
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> In message <<X_KdnTeRBOD7T17d4p2dnA@adelphia.com>> "Scott Stephenson"
> <scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> did ramble:
>
> >So, that would make it different from every other form of communication
just
> >how? Are you just figuring this out?
>
> The difference between that and a phone call is that with a phone call,
> only the who, when and where are available, not the what (what was said)
>
> It's a critical difference.
>
> --

Not if the government is looking at you. If they are looking at your text
messages, the same piece of paper that allows them to do it is more than
likely making your phone calls a little less private.
Anonymous
June 8, 2004 5:31:28 AM

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Any one who believes in this thread needs to get a life.

Surely you don't belive that anyone is monitoring the millions of SMS messages
flying around the world each minute of each day.

How stupid that this thread got past the initial post.

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Anonymous
June 8, 2004 5:50:18 AM

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In article <20040607213128.11516.00000743@mb-m04.aol.com>,
sexyexotiche@aol.comspamfree (John S.) wrote:

> Any one who believes in this thread needs to get a life.
>
> Surely you don't belive that anyone is monitoring the millions of SMS messages
> flying around the world each minute of each day.
>
> How stupid that this thread got past the initial post.

No, no one sits looking at all text messages, but any and all of your
messages can be retroactively retreived for examination if the powers
that be decide to do so.

Ollie North found that out about email in 1987. Email he assumed he had
deleted, was retreived and used against him.
Anonymous
June 8, 2004 5:50:19 AM

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"R?bert M." <rmarkoff@faq.city> wrote:

> No, no one sits looking at all text messages, but any and all of your
> messages can be retroactively retreived for examination if the powers
> that be decide to do so.
>
> Ollie North found that out about email in 1987. Email he assumed he had
> deleted, was retreived and used against him.

If someone (in government or law enforcement) has a reason to look at your
activities, they can force a carrier to save your messages, but I think you're
wrong about messages being retroactively saved.

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Anonymous
June 8, 2004 8:14:58 AM

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In message <<KqidnQht7t-2YVndRVn-jg@adelphia.com>> "Scott Stephenson"
<scott.stephensonson@adelphia.net> did ramble:

>> The difference between that and a phone call is that with a phone call,
>> only the who, when and where are available, not the what (what was said)
>>
>> It's a critical difference.
>
>Not if the government is looking at you. If they are looking at your text
>messages, the same piece of paper that allows them to do it is more than
>likely making your phone calls a little less private.

True. However, no paper signed *today* can recover a phone call
*yesterday* -- Text messages, however, can be recovered.


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Anonymous
June 8, 2004 8:14:59 AM

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"DevilsPGD" <UseTheReplyToField@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
news:63bxc.6169308$iA2.708217@news.easynews.com...

>
> True. However, no paper signed *today* can recover a phone call
> *yesterday* -- Text messages, however, can be recovered.
>

Agreed, but like email (another electronic means of text communication),
the scenario is the same. And I would not have expected anything less than
what is now being reported. I think where we get off track is comparing
text and voice communication- kind of an apples and oranges situation.
Anonymous
June 9, 2004 3:58:41 PM

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DevilsPGD wrote:


>>Not if the government is looking at you. If they are looking at your text
>>messages, the same piece of paper that allows them to do it is more than
>>likely making your phone calls a little less private.
>
>
> True. However, no paper signed *today* can recover a phone call
> *yesterday* -- Text messages, however, can be recovered.

This is true. However logs of phone calls... where the call was made,
from what number and to what number, can be retroactively retrieved.

Of course, what was SAID in that conversation is anyone's guess. Some
mobster could be calling his right hand man to discuss the fine
intricate and important details of who gets whacked next and how, or he
could just be a respectable gentleman, chatting with his acquaintance
about the weather for two and a half hours, during his peak airtime
period. The usefulness of rate & route info depends on the skills of
the prosecutor and the willingness of the jury to accept what that
prosecutor says as gospel.


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Anonymous
June 9, 2004 8:38:02 PM

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In alt.cellular.sprintpcs R?bert M. <rmarkoff@faq.city> wrote:
> "One of the false assumptions that people make is that when they hit the
> delete button, messages are gone forever, but nothing can be further
> from the truth," said Jeff Kagan, an independent telecommunications
> analyst in Atlanta.
>
>
> <http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1293&e...
> /ap_on_hi_te/text_messaging_records&sid=95573418>

Nothing special about that [other than your link is broken as usual].
Once you send a message into the public ether, you SHOULD EXPECT that it
will be archived there, even if it is in fact not archived. I am sure
that the FBI has long hooked Carnivore up to SMS .... what better way to
watch those loony kadas planning their terrorism. :) 

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