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Anonymous
January 14, 2005 2:50:03 PM

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Imagine going into your office and covering your desk with drawings,
notes, designs, as you customize a client's product. Your client comes
in to see the work, approves it, pays you and then does something very
strange. He takes the tools, the documents, the notes, the designs,
your pens, your pencil sharpener, your desk, and your chair. Imagine
the amount you received is about enough to replace the chair, but
you'll be drawing on napkins on the floor just like you did when that
other client did the same thing to you a month ago.

Businesses that last build a strong portfolio and a great store of work
that they can look back on, re-use, and resell. Outsourcing portals do
not promote the talent available, they promote the cheap work
available. When workers start increasing the price the demand will drop
much faster than if it were the talent that was promoted. Workers need
more avenues for making their talents available.

If workers could spend more time offering products instead of
rebuilding them from scratch it would be a richer marketplace. Why not
make the progress the market economy is supposedly going to make on its
own anyway. Why not make it now? Now there's Coderauctions.com and
Ultracoder.com. Each site has their own special qualities that help
freelancers empower themselves.

You don't want to spend time creating a base of resources from scratch
every time you work on a project. Build a foundation to stand on as you
grow your business. Sell products at a fixed price and also offer a few
dozen copies per week in auctions. Offer customization services on top
of your standard price. Don't stop with the first incarnation of a
product. Improve it. Bring your buyers back for more. Coderauctions.com
makes it possible for coders to continue the life of the product beyond
the first sale.

Ultracoder.com on the other hand is a developer oriented outsourcing
site. They have an in house team of coders and they appear to be always
looking for more coders. They set prices for projects and this enables
freelancers to see what they are getting into before work starts. Other
online outsourcing services force you to compete with other colleagues
and the only way you are guaranteed to get the job is if you post a low
bid.

You may have heard outsourcing is a great way to save money and have
access to many coders globally. Most outsourcing sites start from that
goal and hope that the method will work itself out. But this leaves out
what happens to the buyer's product and the coder's work after the
project is finished. So please fellow freelancers empower yourself and
get the most out of your talent and work.
Anonymous
January 14, 2005 6:26:10 PM

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On or about 1/14/2005 11:50:03 AM, <ultracoder1@gmail.com> said:
> Imagine going into your office and covering your desk with

I hate it when people post these opportunities and forget to leave a space
for me to enter my credit card information. Morons.

Bret
Anonymous
January 15, 2005 2:49:13 AM

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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:26:10 -0800, Bret Ripley <ripley@olywa.net>
wrote:

>On or about 1/14/2005 11:50:03 AM, <ultracoder1@gmail.com> said:
>> Imagine going into your office and covering your desk with
>
>I hate it when people post these opportunities and forget to leave a space
>for me to enter my credit card information. Morons.
>
>Bret
I'm sure if you email Derek your information, he would love to have
it. He might even send you some 10 year-old, "updated", "revised" and
regurgitated software. =P =D
Anonymous
January 15, 2005 1:32:44 PM

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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:49:13 GMT, Shingen wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:26:10 -0800, Bret Ripley <ripley@olywa.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On or about 1/14/2005 11:50:03 AM, <ultracoder1@gmail.com> said:
>>> Imagine going into your office and covering your desk with
>>
>>I hate it when people post these opportunities and forget to leave a space
>>for me to enter my credit card information. Morons.
>>
>>Bret
> I'm sure if you email Derek your information, he would love to have
> it. He might even send you some 10 year-old, "updated", "revised" and
> regurgitated software. =P =D

Nice idea, Shin, but no dice. I sent an e-mail requesting some 10-year-old
regurgitated software, but all I received by way of reply was a cryptic
message about the Beta being closed.

This kind of thing really pisses me off. I mean, look: some kind person
posts a thoughtful and informative message about the new and revolutionary
concept of outsourced software, but apparently nobody is having any of it.
I ask a simple question and, despite rumors to the contrary, Bob is
certainly *not* my uncle. Almost certainly.

And where, in the name of all that is holy, is the damned archive I
requested?

Bret
January 18, 2005 5:42:48 AM

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On 14 Jan 2005 11:50:03 -0800, arsehole@gmail.com wrote:

>Imagine going into your office and covering your desk with drawings,
>notes, designs, as you customize a client's product. Your client comes
>in to see the work, approves it, pays you and then does something very
>strange. He takes the tools, the documents, the notes, the designs,
>your pens, your pencil sharpener, your desk, and your chair. Imagine
>the amount you received is about enough to replace the chair, but
>you'll be drawing on napkins on the floor just like you did when that
>other client did the same thing to you a month ago.

I hate it when that happens.

>Businesses that last build a strong portfolio and a great store of work
>that they can look back on, re-use, and resell. Outsourcing portals do
>not promote the talent available, they promote the cheap work
>available. When workers start increasing the price the demand will drop
>much faster than if it were the talent that was promoted. Workers need
>more avenues for making their talents available.

That's bad.

>If workers could spend more time offering products instead of
>rebuilding them from scratch it would be a richer marketplace. Why not
>make the progress the market economy is supposedly going to make on its
>own anyway. Why not make it now? Now there's Cunts.com and
>Ultracunts.com. Each site has their own special qualities that help
>freelancers empower themselves.

Cunts.

>You don't want to spend time creating a base of resources from scratch
>every time you work on a project. Build a foundation to stand on as you
>grow your business. Sell products at a fixed price and also offer a few
>dozen copies per week in auctions. Offer customization services on top
>of your standard price. Don't stop with the first incarnation of a
>product. Improve it. Bring your buyers back for more. Cuntauctions.com
>makes it possible for coders to continue the life of the product beyond
>the first sale.

That sounds great.

>Ultracunts.com on the other hand is a developer oriented outsourcing
>site. They have an in house team of coders and they appear to be always
>looking for more coders. They set prices for projects and this enables
>freelancers to see what they are getting into before work starts. Other
>online outsourcing services force you to compete with other colleagues
>and the only way you are guaranteed to get the job is if you post a low
>bid.

Please ad me to yor lsit.

>You may have heard outsourcing is a great way to save money and have
>access to many coders globally. Most outsourcing sites start from that
>goal and hope that the method will work itself out. But this leaves out
>what happens to the buyer's product and the coder's work after the
>project is finished. So please fellow freelancers empower yourself and
>get the most out of your talent and work.

Can I go now?

Lemming
--
Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.
Anonymous
January 18, 2005 11:27:26 AM

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On Sat Jan 15, 10:32 am, Bret Ripley wrote:

> And where, in the name of all that is holy, is the damned archive I
> requested?
>
> Bret

I think it's on the freight train.

--
Matt
January 20, 2005 5:39:21 AM

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:32:44 -0800, Bret Ripley <ripley@olywa.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:49:13 GMT, Shingen wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:26:10 -0800, Bret Ripley <ripley@olywa.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On or about 1/14/2005 11:50:03 AM, <ultracoder1@gmail.com> said:
>>>> Imagine going into your office and covering your desk with
>>>
>>>I hate it when people post these opportunities and forget to leave a space
>>>for me to enter my credit card information. Morons.
>>>
>>>Bret
>> I'm sure if you email Derek your information, he would love to have
>> it. He might even send you some 10 year-old, "updated", "revised" and
>> regurgitated software. =P =D
>
>Nice idea, Shin, but no dice. I sent an e-mail requesting some 10-year-old
>regurgitated software, but all I received by way of reply was a cryptic
>message about the Beta being closed.
>
>This kind of thing really pisses me off. I mean, look: some kind person
>posts a thoughtful and informative message about the new and revolutionary
>concept of outsourced software, but apparently nobody is having any of it.
>I ask a simple question and, despite rumors to the contrary, Bob is
>certainly *not* my uncle. Almost certainly.
>
>And where, in the name of all that is holy, is the damned archive I
>requested?

The space for your credit card information:


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Name: __________________________________



Expiry date: ___/____/____



3-digit security code: _____



Just enter your details above, and the archive will be sent to you.

HTH

Lemming
--
Curiosity *may* have killed Schrodinger's cat.
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