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April 18, 2004 8:59:31 PM

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Had to laugh that there is already a bit of whining about bugs. Isn't this
always the case? The moron that works on the game claimed he was still
coding days before the release. I think bugs were already predicted.

So I had to check the forum the fanboy was kind enough to post. Topic #1
just killed me:

***Please post all spelling/typos/grammar errors here****

WTF???

Jayhawker

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Anonymous
April 18, 2004 11:56:24 PM

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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:59:31 GMT, Jayhawker <rock.chalk@jayhawks.net>
wrote:

>***Please post all spelling/typos/grammar errors here****
>
>WTF???

OOTP is a fine game, probably the best baseball sim for what it does.
It is nowhere near the ChampMan of baseball that its fans claim, but
it's fun, it's good and getting better, and that's OK.

And what follows is speculation on my part. But I've always felt,
since the beginning of the series, that OOTP is clearly programmed by
someone who comes to baseball as a second language, if you will. He's
got programming skills, he's picked up a lot of baseball knowledge,
but he's from Germany, I believe, it's kinda like if I programmed
Championship Manager: I might get it close to right, but there would
be little things that weren't quite right, because I speak soccer as a
second language.

And so, OOTP has a promotion you can run to get more fans in the
seats. It's called "Noddin' Head Doll Day." Now this is v.minor, I
know, but I think it says something about a fundamental flaw in OOTP:
the programmer doesn't know they're called "bobbleheads."

This doesn't mean OOTP is a bad game ... it's a good game, I've been
enjoying it for years. But I'm never surprised when there are grammar
bugs, let's put it that way.

Steven
Anonymous
April 19, 2004 7:30:13 AM

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>Now this is v.minor, I
>know, but I think it says something about a fundamental flaw in OOTP:
>the programmer doesn't know they're called "bobbleheads."

YEP, that settles it! "Noddin' Heads", huh? This game must be fundamentally
broken as this is a game killing bug!!!! I think you're onto something here
(not). That, sir, is a pretty stupid and pointless example. The fact that
Markus doesn't call them bobbleheads implies ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about any
"fundamental flaws" in the game.
April 19, 2004 7:30:14 AM

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On 19 Apr 2004 03:30:13 GMT, thirdandten@aol.comNoSpAm (ThE AnArKrIsT)
wrote:

>>Now this is v.minor, I
>>know, but I think it says something about a fundamental flaw in OOTP:
>>the programmer doesn't know they're called "bobbleheads."
>
>YEP, that settles it! "Noddin' Heads", huh? This game must be fundamentally
>broken as this is a game killing bug!!!! I think you're onto something here
>(not). That, sir, is a pretty stupid and pointless example. The fact that
>Markus doesn't call them bobbleheads implies ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about any
>"fundamental flaws" in the game.

I believe that "bobblehead" is a copyrighted name or registered
trademark, whichever applies.
Anonymous
April 19, 2004 7:30:14 AM

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On 19 Apr 2004 03:30:13 GMT, thirdandten@aol.comNoSpAm (ThE AnArKrIsT)
wrote:

>>Now this is v.minor, I
>>know, but I think it says something about a fundamental flaw in OOTP:
>>the programmer doesn't know they're called "bobbleheads."
>
>YEP, that settles it! "Noddin' Heads", huh? This game must be fundamentally
>broken as this is a game killing bug!!!! I think you're onto something here
>(not). That, sir, is a pretty stupid and pointless example. The fact that
>Markus doesn't call them bobbleheads implies ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about any
>"fundamental flaws" in the game.

No, it isn't a stupid and pointless example. OOTP has always had a
certain feel to it, that it was programmed by an alien to baseball.
That doesn't make it a bad game, but it is a lot like a game where you
know more about baseball from books than from sitting at the ballpark
or playing it after school. I could be wrong about Markus and his
baseball experience, but the game does play that way.

It's a fine game, I've been playing it since the first version. And I
said nothing about "noddin' heads" being a game-killing bug. It just
points to something odd about the game that is also reflected in the
misspellings and bizarre grammar that pops up in OOTP on occasion,
which was how this thread started in the first place.

Steven
April 19, 2004 10:12:46 AM

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On 4/18/04 10:30 PM, in article
20040418233013.28636.00000040@mb-m17.aol.com, "ThE AnArKrIsT"
<thirdandten@aol.comNoSpAm> wrote:

>> Now this is v.minor, I
>> know, but I think it says something about a fundamental flaw in OOTP:
>> the programmer doesn't know they're called "bobbleheads."
>
> YEP, that settles it! "Noddin' Heads", huh? This game must be fundamentally
> broken as this is a game killing bug!!!! I think you're onto something here
> (not). That, sir, is a pretty stupid and pointless example. The fact that
> Markus doesn't call them bobbleheads implies ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about any
> "fundamental flaws" in the game.

It's not a serious baseball game, and it is aimed at dweebs like you.

Just enjoy the game and stop worrying about what the folks with thumbs have
to say about it.

Jayhawker
Anonymous
April 19, 2004 9:22:21 PM

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On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:56:24 -0700, Steven Rubio wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:59:31 GMT, Jayhawker <rock.chalk@jayhawks.net>
> wrote:
>
>>***Please post all spelling/typos/grammar errors here****
>>
>>WTF???
>
> OOTP is a fine game, probably the best baseball sim for what it does.
> It is nowhere near the ChampMan of baseball that its fans claim, but
> it's fun, it's good and getting better, and that's OK.
>
> And what follows is speculation on my part. But I've always felt,
> since the beginning of the series, that OOTP is clearly programmed by
> someone who comes to baseball as a second language, if you will. He's
> got programming skills, he's picked up a lot of baseball knowledge,
> but he's from Germany, I believe, it's kinda like if I programmed
> Championship Manager: I might get it close to right, but there would
> be little things that weren't quite right, because I speak soccer as a
> second language.
>
> And so, OOTP has a promotion you can run to get more fans in the
> seats. It's called "Noddin' Head Doll Day." Now this is v.minor, I
> know, but I think it says something about a fundamental flaw in OOTP:
> the programmer doesn't know they're called "bobbleheads."
>
> This doesn't mean OOTP is a bad game ... it's a good game, I've been
> enjoying it for years. But I'm never surprised when there are grammar
> bugs, let's put it that way.
>
> Steven

I agree with you completely. OOTP is a great game, but every so often you
find phrases like "Noddin' Head Doll" that just sound wrong. It is a minor
problem, but it does hurt the overall feel of the game. I can understand it
if Bobblehead is a trademarked term and OOTP can't use it though.

My favorite example is more of a minor programming bug, but it still made
me laugh out loud. In this case, I was reading the scouting report for a
player who was a pure DH and had no ratings at any defensive position
(which seems wrong to me all by itself). The scouting report gave a
reasonable description of his hitting skills and then said:

"Shaun is a very good designated hitter defensively. He seems to know where
the ball is going before it leaves the bat, makes fantastic reads and takes
good routes to the ball."

Despite this glowing recommendation, I didn't draft him.

Sumbuddy
Anonymous
April 19, 2004 10:08:25 PM

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"Steven Rubio" <srubio@sonic.net> wrote in message
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> No, it isn't a stupid and pointless example. OOTP has always had a
> certain feel to it, that it was programmed by an alien to baseball.
> That doesn't make it a bad game, but it is a lot like a game where you
> know more about baseball from books than from sitting at the ballpark
> or playing it after school. I could be wrong about Markus and his
> baseball experience, but the game does play that way.


*POW*

Dead - Solid - Perfect.

Excellent description and truly valid.

It just never "felt" right. Like .. all the PARTS were there but it never
assembled in to something truly cohesive that was entirely logical.

But the man has a following so adamant and devoted David Koresh or Jim Jones
would sneer with envy. So, I just "let it be". But .. you're not the only
that feels that way, Steven.

Something .. something's just not right.

JB
Anonymous
April 19, 2004 10:08:26 PM

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:08:25 GMT, "JawBreaker"
<NOSPAMJawBreaker@stealrage.com> wrote:

>But the man has a following so adamant and devoted David Koresh or Jim Jones
>would sneer with envy. So, I just "let it be". But .. you're not the only
>that feels that way, Steven.
>
>Something .. something's just not right.

Well, he has a following because he's created a very enjoyable game
that fills a particular need: despite its shortcomings, it is the
closest thing out there to a baseball ChampMan. His fans are
understandably grateful that such a game exists, so they probably
overstate the quality of the game to a certain extent. The problem is
that Championship Manager both creates the desire for similar games in
other sports, and sets the bar so high that it's unlikely anyone will
clear it.

But if you are an American baseball fan with only minimal knowledge of
soccer (and I imagine that's a lot of gamers ... me, I have season tix
to both SF Giants and SJ Earthquakes), and ChampMan is 9.5 on a scale
of 10, then you might become very attached to a baseball sim like OOTP
that is still only in the 5-6 out of ten range but simulates a sport
you actually know.

If I'm right about Markus's background, it actually makes OOTP even
more remarkable ... it's as good as it is, and the creator isn't a
"native" fan of the sport? All props to the guy if that's the case.

Steven
Anonymous
May 2, 2004 10:12:34 PM

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In article <b5f6405.0405020624.7e297642@posting.google.com>,
sportsbiz2121@yahoo.com says...

>(takes bow)
>Who are you, his Da-Da? Ooohhh "The Idiotic One" has spoken, I guess
>we should run for our lives.

Well, you've made it clear you're an idiot on all subjects, not just this one.
Again, I tip my hat to your rare honesty in embracing your mental deficiency.


-Tim
May 3, 2004 5:30:59 PM

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try@again.spammers (The Enigmatic One) wrote in message news:<mSalc.70191$f_5.27443@lakeread01>...
> In article <b5f6405.0405020624.7e297642@posting.google.com>,
> sportsbiz2121@yahoo.com says...
>
> >(takes bow)
> >Who are you, his Da-Da? Ooohhh "The Idiotic One" has spoken, I guess
> >we should run for our lives.
>
> Well, you've made it clear you're an idiot on all subjects, not just this one.
> Again, I tip my hat to your rare honesty in embracing your mental deficiency.
>
>
> -Tim

I wish we all could be as articulate as you. Please, enlighten us
some more on your wisdom.

In fact, post more often.. at least I'll have something to read more
than once a week.

I tip my hat back at you!

-KT
!