Ramsa/Panasonic parts, help please?

Archived from groups: rec.audio.pro (More info?)

play_on <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote:
>I'm searching for the following Panasonic parts:
>
>DA/DB-XLRM
>DA/DB-XLRF
>
>These are 25-pin connectors that terminate in 8 male and 8 female
>XLRs. They allow you to get 24/96 audio in and out of the WZ-DA96 and
>WZ-AD96. Or if anyone knows the correct cable type, I could have them
>made... according to Full Compass the cable has a specific resistance.

No, it has a specific characteristic impedance. But any 110 ohm AES/EBU
cable should meet that spec.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Archived from groups: rec.audio.pro (More info?)

On 17 Feb 2005 15:33:43 -0500, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>play_on <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote:
>>I'm searching for the following Panasonic parts:
>>
>>DA/DB-XLRM
>>DA/DB-XLRF
>>
>>These are 25-pin connectors that terminate in 8 male and 8 female
>>XLRs. They allow you to get 24/96 audio in and out of the WZ-DA96 and
>>WZ-AD96. Or if anyone knows the correct cable type, I could have them
>>made... according to Full Compass the cable has a specific resistance.
>
>No, it has a specific characteristic impedance.

Hey what do you expect out of a musician, correct terminology?!!

But any 110 ohm AES/EBU
>cable should meet that spec.

Thanks much for the info Scott, as usual.

Al

Archived from groups: rec.audio.pro (More info?)

I have a Panasonic Ramsa WZ-AD96. There is no DB25 connector on the
unit. I have also owned a WZ-DA96 converter and do not remember there
being a DB25 on that unit either. The units have XLR I/O for the AES
24/96 outputs and inputs. So why do you think you need a DB25
connector? Is it for a device that you are connecting to the Ramsa
converters that has a DB25 connector? If so, why would that be a
Panasonic part? It would be a part specific to the unit with the DB25
connector I would think. The XLR ins and outs of the Panasonic
converters can just be regular old XLR connectors on 110 ohm AES wire.

Oh wait, now I'm guessing that your unit has a swapped in DB25 port
instead of the XLR connectors. I vaguely remember that the I/O could be
changed around via different connection panels on the back.

As far as I know, there are two main pinouts for AES-DB25 cables. One
is the Apogee pinout and the other is the Yamaha pinout. Or maybe there
are three...a Tascam pinout, too? This is all coming back to me now.
I'm guessing the Panasonic pinout is the same as one of these other
standards. Does the manual say anything? You might try calling someone
like Sweetwater if you're in a pinch. They're pretty good at finding
weird stuff and making sure you've got the right part. (I don't work
for them or anything....just that a vendor usually has a vested interest
in doing the research).

Cheers,
Trevor de Clercq

play_on wrote:
> I'm searching for the following Panasonic parts:
>
> DA/DB-XLRM
> DA/DB-XLRF
>
> These are 25-pin connectors that terminate in 8 male and 8 female
> XLRs. They allow you to get 24/96 audio in and out of the WZ-DA96 and
> WZ-AD96. Or if anyone knows the correct cable type, I could have them
> made... according to Full Compass the cable has a specific resistance.
>
> Any help greatly appreciated, thanks
>
> Al

Archived from groups: rec.audio.pro (More info?)

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:27:11 -0500, Trevor de Clercq
<declerct@REMOVETHISnewschool.edu> wrote:

>I have a Panasonic Ramsa WZ-AD96. There is no DB25 connector on the
>unit. I have also owned a WZ-DA96 converter and do not remember there
>being a DB25 on that unit either.

That's because you don't have the card installed.

The units have XLR I/O for the AES
>24/96 outputs and inputs. So why do you think you need a DB25
>connector?

I have the cards that allow you to take a full 8 channels of 24/96
audio in and out of the WZ-AD96 and WZ-DA96. Without the cards you
can only get 4 channels at 24/96. But I need the connectors, which
are out of production and out of stock.

If you are insterested, Full Compass still has these in stock, at the
whopping price of $19 each (a nice markdown from the list price orf
$395):

http://www.fullcompass.com/products/pages/SKU--58545/in...
http://www.fullcompass.com/products/pages/SKU--58543/in...


Al



Is it for a device that you are connecting to the Ramsa
>converters that has a DB25 connector? If so, why would that be a
>Panasonic part? It would be a part specific to the unit with the DB25
>connector I would think. The XLR ins and outs of the Panasonic
>converters can just be regular old XLR connectors on 110 ohm AES wire.
>
>Oh wait, now I'm guessing that your unit has a swapped in DB25 port
>instead of the XLR connectors. I vaguely remember that the I/O could be
>changed around via different connection panels on the back.
>
>As far as I know, there are two main pinouts for AES-DB25 cables. One
>is the Apogee pinout and the other is the Yamaha pinout. Or maybe there
>are three...a Tascam pinout, too? This is all coming back to me now.
>I'm guessing the Panasonic pinout is the same as one of these other
>standards. Does the manual say anything? You might try calling someone
>like Sweetwater if you're in a pinch. They're pretty good at finding
>weird stuff and making sure you've got the right part. (I don't work
>for them or anything....just that a vendor usually has a vested interest
>in doing the research).
>
>Cheers,
>Trevor de Clercq
>
>play_on wrote:
>> I'm searching for the following Panasonic parts:
>>
>> DA/DB-XLRM
>> DA/DB-XLRF
>>
>> These are 25-pin connectors that terminate in 8 male and 8 female
>> XLRs. They allow you to get 24/96 audio in and out of the WZ-DA96 and
>> WZ-AD96. Or if anyone knows the correct cable type, I could have them
>> made... according to Full Compass the cable has a specific resistance.
>>
>> Any help greatly appreciated, thanks
>>
>> Al

Archived from groups: rec.audio.pro (More info?)

"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message ...
>>
> I have the cards that allow you to take a full 8 channels of 24/96
> audio in and out of the WZ-AD96 and WZ-DA96. Without the cards you
> can only get 4 channels at 24/96. But I need the connectors, which
> are out of production and out of stock.

Not exactly... You can get the full 8 channels out at 96K if you set it for
single wire. You need the card with the DB25 connector if you want to get 8
outs of dual wire... I have the 96M version (the one with mic pres) and I
use it mostly at 96K and this is how it works...

> If you are insterested, Full Compass still has these in stock, at the
> whopping price of $19 each (a nice markdown from the list price orf
> $395):
>
> http://www.fullcompass.com/products/pages/SKU--58545/in...
> http://www.fullcompass.com/products/pages/SKU--58543/in...

Good to know... Thanks

-Ben

--
Benjamin Maas
Fifth Circle Audio
Los Angeles, CA
http://www.fifthcircle.com

Please remove "Nospam" from address for replies

Archived from groups: rec.audio.pro (More info?)

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:12:20 -0800, "Benjamin Maas"
<benmaas@nospamfifthcircle.com> wrote:

>"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message ...
>>>
>> I have the cards that allow you to take a full 8 channels of 24/96
>> audio in and out of the WZ-AD96 and WZ-DA96. Without the cards you
>> can only get 4 channels at 24/96. But I need the connectors, which
>> are out of production and out of stock.
>
>Not exactly... You can get the full 8 channels out at 96K if you set it for
>single wire.

How is this done? I assume there is a trade-off of some kind?

You need the card with the DB25 connector if you want to get 8
>outs of dual wire... I have the 96M version (the one with mic pres) and I
>use it mostly at 96K and this is how it works...

BTW, how are those mic pres? I assume they are the same one from the
DA-7.

>> If you are insterested, Full Compass still has these in stock, at the
>> whopping price of $19 each (a nice markdown from the list price orf
>> $395):
>>
>> http://www.fullcompass.com/products/pages/SKU--58545/in...
>> http://www.fullcompass.com/products/pages/SKU--58543/in...
>
>Good to know... Thanks

They also still have the TDIF cards for $19.

Al

Archived from groups: rec.audio.pro (More info?)

This was from the DA-7 forum where I had asked a similar question:

" My understanding was that the WZ could operate stock with AES high
speed, giving 8 channels of 96k. If you need to run dual-mode and still
want all 8 channels, then you need the AES card you bought ($19 is a
good price...) But it sounds like you know that... :-)

That being said, you are correct, any standard 110 ohm DB-25 to XLR
cable should be fine.

FWIW - i've bought an option card from promedia before - he's a good
source for this type of stuff.

BTW - welcome to da7.com! :-)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posts: 120 | From: Detroit | Registered: Aug 2002 | IP: Logged |

playon
New Member
Member # 1755

posted February 19, 2005 04:20 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
OK, now I'm the dummy -- what are the "dual" and "double speed" modes?
(I've never used AES connectors before, I'm currently using the
light-pipe to get in and out of a computer.) It was my understanding
that you could only get 4 channels of 96k in & out unless you had the
optional cards? If that is not the case, then what is the benefit of
the cards?

-------------------------------

So, like I said in the above post... can anyone enlighten me as to the
different speeds/formats of AES-EBU? As I say I haven't used this type
of connector before...

Al



play_on wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:12:20 -0800, "Benjamin Maas"
> <benmaas@nospamfifthcircle.com> wrote:
>
> >"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message ...
> >>>
> >> I have the cards that allow you to take a full 8 channels of 24/96
> >> audio in and out of the WZ-AD96 and WZ-DA96. Without the cards
you
> >> can only get 4 channels at 24/96. But I need the connectors,
which
> >> are out of production and out of stock.
> >
> >Not exactly... You can get the full 8 channels out at 96K if you
set it for
> >single wire.
>
> How is this done? I assume there is a trade-off of some kind?
>
> You need the card with the DB25 connector if you want to get 8
> >outs of dual wire... I have the 96M version (the one with mic pres)
and I
> >use it mostly at 96K and this is how it works...
>
> BTW, how are those mic pres? I assume they are the same one from the
> DA-7.
>
> >> If you are insterested, Full Compass still has these in stock, at
the
> >> whopping price of $19 each (a nice markdown from the list price
orf
> >> $395):
> >>
> >> http://www.fullcompass.com/products/pages/SKU--58545/in...
> >> http://www.fullcompass.com/products/pages/SKU--58543/in...
> >
> >Good to know... Thanks
>
> They also still have the TDIF cards for $19.
>
> Al

Archived from groups: rec.audio.pro (More info?)

This is a total guess, but I'm thinking perhaps the two standards of
either double wire or dual speed arose out of the desire to have one
standard backwards compatible with the old regular AES ports?

Like the dual wire setup would have one wire that could be plugged into
an "old style" 44.1kHz port if necessary whereas the dual-speed
connection could not be plugged into the old 44.1kHz AES inputs. Maybe
if you needed to feed a 44.1kHz DAT and a 88.2kHz HD machine, you could
do it at the same time with an AES DA and the dual-wire mode (where the
second wire provides the HD data and the first wire goes through the DA
to feed both recorders).

Of course, the dual-speed protocol would exist becuase it's just more
efficient and can be software switched to regular or HD speed. On the
other hand, it can only be one or the other at any given time.

Cheers,
Trevor de Clercq


play on wrote:
> This was from the DA-7 forum where I had asked a similar question:
>
> " My understanding was that the WZ could operate stock with AES high
> speed, giving 8 channels of 96k. If you need to run dual-mode and still
> want all 8 channels, then you need the AES card you bought ($19 is a
> good price...) But it sounds like you know that... :-)
>
> That being said, you are correct, any standard 110 ohm DB-25 to XLR
> cable should be fine.
>
> FWIW - i've bought an option card from promedia before - he's a good
> source for this type of stuff.
>
> BTW - welcome to da7.com! :-)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Posts: 120 | From: Detroit | Registered: Aug 2002 | IP: Logged |
>
> playon
> New Member
> Member # 1755
>
> posted February 19, 2005 04:20 PM
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> OK, now I'm the dummy -- what are the "dual" and "double speed" modes?
> (I've never used AES connectors before, I'm currently using the
> light-pipe to get in and out of a computer.) It was my understanding
> that you could only get 4 channels of 96k in & out unless you had the
> optional cards? If that is not the case, then what is the benefit of
> the cards?
>
> -------------------------------
>
> So, like I said in the above post... can anyone enlighten me as to the
> different speeds/formats of AES-EBU? As I say I haven't used this type
> of connector before...
>
> Al
>
>
>
> play_on wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:12:20 -0800, "Benjamin Maas"
>><benmaas@nospamfifthcircle.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"play_on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>>I have the cards that allow you to take a full 8 channels of 24/96
>>>>audio in and out of the WZ-AD96 and WZ-DA96. Without the cards
>
> you
>
>>>>can only get 4 channels at 24/96. But I need the connectors,
>
> which
>
>>>>are out of production and out of stock.
>>>
>>>Not exactly... You can get the full 8 channels out at 96K if you
>
> set it for
>
>>>single wire.
>>
>>How is this done? I assume there is a trade-off of some kind?
>>
>>You need the card with the DB25 connector if you want to get 8
>>
>>>outs of dual wire... I have the 96M version (the one with mic pres)
>
> and I
>
>>>use it mostly at 96K and this is how it works...
>>
>>BTW, how are those mic pres? I assume they are the same one from the
>>DA-7.
>>
>>
>>>>If you are insterested, Full Compass still has these in stock, at
>
> the
>
>>>>whopping price of $19 each (a nice markdown from the list price
>
> orf
>
>>>>$395):
>>>>
>>>>http://www.fullcompass.com/products/pages/SKU--58545/in...
>>>>http://www.fullcompass.com/products/pages/SKU--58543/in...
>>>
>>>Good to know... Thanks
>>
>>They also still have the TDIF cards for $19.
>>
>>Al
>
>