More Respect for Hunter Thompson

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Joe Sensor wrote:
> John wrote:
>
> > per CNN online
> >
> > "Journalist Hunter S. Thompson did not take his life "in a moment
of
> > haste or anger or despondency" and probably planned his suicide
well in
> > advance because of his declining health, the family's spokesman
said
> > Wednesday."
> >
> > the full article makes complete sense and fits him perfectly. It
was
> > going to be done his way, on his terms.
> >
> > Much respect. I hope they get the cannon.
>
>
> Right, so his family can enter the room and find chunks of his brain,

> skull, eyes, etc. blown about the room, with a rather large
spattering
> of his blood as a backdrop. Nice plan.
>
> Sounds like a really great guy. . .



There is a really interesting interview with him from jan 2003 on the
Democracy Now program for Feb 23rd 2003

http://www.democracynow.org

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John wrote:

> per CNN online
>
> "Journalist Hunter S. Thompson did not take his life "in a moment of
> haste or anger or despondency" and probably planned his suicide well in
> advance because of his declining health, the family's spokesman said
> Wednesday."
>
> the full article makes complete sense and fits him perfectly. It was
> going to be done his way, on his terms.
>
> Much respect. I hope they get the cannon.


Right, so his family can enter the room and find chunks of his brain,
skull, eyes, etc. blown about the room, with a rather large spattering
of his blood as a backdrop. Nice plan.

Sounds like a really great guy. . .

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All I know is that I'm putting a provision in my will to be shot out a
cannon when I die. Cremation *prior to* not really necessary.

DJ

"John" <are.you.crazy@sendmenomail.com> wrote in message
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> per CNN online
>
> "Journalist Hunter S. Thompson did not take his life "in a moment of
> haste or anger or despondency" and probably planned his suicide well in
> advance because of his declining health, the family's spokesman said
> Wednesday."
>
> the full article makes complete sense and fits him perfectly. It was
> going to be done his way, on his terms.
>
> Much respect. I hope they get the cannon.
> --
> Digital Services Recording Studios
> http://www.digisrvs.com

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This might change your mind about that one....this is how I'm going out

www.lifegem.com

almost makes me look forward to the afterlife =)

--

Jonny Durango

"Patrick was a saint. I ain't."

http://www.jdurango.com



"Animix" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote in message
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> All I know is that I'm putting a provision in my will to be shot out a
> cannon when I die. Cremation *prior to* not really necessary.
>
> DJ
>
> "John" <are.you.crazy@sendmenomail.com> wrote in message
> news:are.you.crazy-2370BA.18095723022005@news.supernews.com...
> > per CNN online
> >
> > "Journalist Hunter S. Thompson did not take his life "in a moment of
> > haste or anger or despondency" and probably planned his suicide well in
> > advance because of his declining health, the family's spokesman said
> > Wednesday."
> >
> > the full article makes complete sense and fits him perfectly. It was
> > going to be done his way, on his terms.
> >
> > Much respect. I hope they get the cannon.
> > --
> > Digital Services Recording Studios
> > http://www.digisrvs.com
>
>

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John wrote:
> per CNN online
>
> "Journalist Hunter S. Thompson did not take his life "in a moment of
> haste or anger or despondency" and probably planned his suicide well
in
> advance because of his declining health, the family's spokesman said
> Wednesday."
>
> the full article makes complete sense and fits him perfectly. It was

> going to be done his way, on his terms.
>
> Much respect. I hope they get the cannon.

Well if he really wanted to go out with a bang, why didn't he do
the cannon on the 4th Of July, while he was still alive? Now _that_
would have been something.

And were he my family member I would appreciate a chance to say a
real goodbye, I think there is something intrisically cowardly about
sneaking off while no one's looking (My opinion based on personal
experiences with the matter.)

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio / Fox News Channel / M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

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In article <384ugfF5lims0U1@individual.net>,
Joe Sensor <crabcakes@emagic.net> wrote:

> John wrote:
>
> > per CNN online
> >
> > "Journalist Hunter S. Thompson did not take his life "in a moment of
> > haste or anger or despondency" and probably planned his suicide well in
> > advance because of his declining health, the family's spokesman said
> > Wednesday."
> >
> > the full article makes complete sense and fits him perfectly. It was
> > going to be done his way, on his terms.
> >
> > Much respect. I hope they get the cannon.
>
>
> Right, so his family can enter the room and find chunks of his brain,
> skull, eyes, etc. blown about the room, with a rather large spattering
> of his blood as a backdrop. Nice plan.
>
> Sounds like a really great guy. . .

i seriously doubt it was done that way, expecially if you read the
article, which you obviously haven't.

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"If you are civil to the voluble, they will abuse your patience;
if brusque, your character." - Jonathon Swift

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Joe Sensor wrote:

> Right, so his family can enter the room and find chunks of his brain,
> skull, eyes, etc. blown about the room, with a rather large spattering
> of his blood as a backdrop. Nice plan.
>
> Sounds like a really great guy. . .

And you know this how?


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

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another viewer wrote:
> In article <384ugfF5lims0U1@individual.net>,
> Joe Sensor <crabcakes@emagic.net> wrote:
>
> > John wrote:
> >
> > > per CNN online
> > >
> > > "Journalist Hunter S. Thompson did not take his life "in a moment
of
> > > haste or anger or despondency" and probably planned his suicide
well in
> > > advance because of his declining health, the family's spokesman
said
> > > Wednesday."
> > >
> > > the full article makes complete sense and fits him perfectly. It
was
> > > going to be done his way, on his terms.
> > >
> > > Much respect. I hope they get the cannon.
> >
> >
> > Right, so his family can enter the room and find chunks of his
brain,
> > skull, eyes, etc. blown about the room, with a rather large
spattering
> > of his blood as a backdrop. Nice plan.
> >
> > Sounds like a really great guy. . .
>
> i seriously doubt it was done that way, expecially if you read the
> article, which you obviously haven't.

It's been reported that the son and grandson were in the house at the
time of the suicide, which was executed in the kitchen. The son
discovered the body. Later it was said that mental health care social
service types who customarily come to such scenes after the fact asked
to speak to the grandchild. I could see some additional trauma from
being on hand within shouting distance when the gun went off. The
circumstances are sad; no use putting a pretty face on it. Even though
the article states he was not "despondant" (this seems like conjecture
and shading the facts), I would tend to believe there was a despair at
living which had won out in Thompson's heart (which is invariably sad
especially given the vibrancy of his daring living), and the apparent
fact that he was reported in decent spirits that week could agree with
the notion that he'd made his decision to leave this mortal coil and
was grinning, bearing and making the best of his last days. But over
all the death wish was ascendant.

>
> --
> Iron Butt Assoc., WATR 4X, BL3 paparazzi, E.O.B.
> R1100RT, R75/5
> "If you are civil to the voluble, they will abuse your patience;
> if brusque, your character." - Jonathon Swift

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On 23 Feb 2005 23:37:47 -0800, "WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote:

>John wrote:
>> per CNN online
>>
>> "Journalist Hunter S. Thompson did not take his life "in a moment of
>> haste or anger or despondency" and probably planned his suicide well
>in
>> advance because of his declining health, the family's spokesman said
>> Wednesday."
>>
>> the full article makes complete sense and fits him perfectly. It was
>
>> going to be done his way, on his terms.
>>
>> Much respect. I hope they get the cannon.
>
> Well if he really wanted to go out with a bang, why didn't he do
>the cannon on the 4th Of July, while he was still alive? Now _that_
>would have been something.
>
> And were he my family member I would appreciate a chance to say a
>real goodbye, I think there is something intrisically cowardly about
>sneaking off while no one's looking (My opinion based on personal
>experiences with the matter.)

He didn't sneak off. His wife was on the phone while he did it, and
his son was in the next room.

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Damn!!! I just had my beautiful old 200 lb geat dane cremated and now he's
sitting in a box on the mantle. To think that my wife could be wearin' him
on her pinkie.

;OP

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> This might change your mind about that one....this is how I'm going out
>
> www.lifegem.com
>
> almost makes me look forward to the afterlife =)
>
> --
>
> Jonny Durango
>
> "Patrick was a saint. I ain't."
>
> http://www.jdurango.com
>
>
>
> "Animix" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:cvjlqb0e45@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > All I know is that I'm putting a provision in my will to be shot out a
> > cannon when I die. Cremation *prior to* not really necessary.
> >
> > DJ
> >
> > "John" <are.you.crazy@sendmenomail.com> wrote in message
> > news:are.you.crazy-2370BA.18095723022005@news.supernews.com...
> > > per CNN online
> > >
> > > "Journalist Hunter S. Thompson did not take his life "in a moment of
> > > haste or anger or despondency" and probably planned his suicide well
in
> > > advance because of his declining health, the family's spokesman said
> > > Wednesday."
> > >
> > > the full article makes complete sense and fits him perfectly. It was
> > > going to be done his way, on his terms.
> > >
> > > Much respect. I hope they get the cannon.
> > > --
> > > Digital Services Recording Studios
> > > http://www.digisrvs.com
> >
> >
>
>

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And were he my family member I would appreciate a chance to say a
real goodbye, I think there is something intrisically cowardly about
sneaking off while no one's looking (My opinion based on personal
experiences with the matter.)

Will Miho

A spokesman for the Thompson family said Wednesday that the family had
no hint that Thompson was going to take his own life, but in
retrospect, they believe that he planned the act and had spent the days
before his suicide bonding with his family. "This was not just an act
of irrationality," said spokesman Douglas Brinkley. "It was a very
preplanned act."

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"dale" <dallen@frognet.net> wrote in message
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> And were he my family member I would appreciate a chance to say a
> real goodbye, I think there is something intrisically cowardly about
> sneaking off while no one's looking (My opinion based on personal
> experiences with the matter.)
>
> Will Miho
>
> A spokesman for the Thompson family said Wednesday that the family had
> no hint that Thompson was going to take his own life, but in
> retrospect, they believe that he planned the act and had spent the days
> before his suicide bonding with his family. "This was not just an act
> of irrationality," said spokesman Douglas Brinkley. "It was a very
> preplanned act."
>

I've personally experienced the aftermath of two suicides by gunshot. They
were both preplanned. The victims of the suicide were the friends and family
who had the honor of hearing and then subsequently discovering/trying to
resussitate and then finally watching helplessly in abject horror as the
individual died. I'm sure that his son and wife are going to have some fond
and colorful memories of the kitchen cleanup.

DJ

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"Joe Sensor" <crabcakes@emagic.net> wrote in message
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>
> Right, so his family can enter the room and find chunks of his brain,
> skull, eyes, etc. blown about the room, with a rather large spattering of
> his blood as a backdrop. Nice plan.
>

Current laws don't offer many options. I agree the gun messy but it's the
core issue of "how do we handle degrading life" that needs to be dealt with.

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"WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> And were he my family member I would appreciate a chance to say a
> real goodbye, I think there is something intrisically cowardly about
> sneaking off while no one's looking (My opinion based on personal
> experiences with the matter.)
>

You don't really have that option (for obvious reasons). Unless someone has
been in chronic pain/health problems they can't begin to even believe how
bad it can be so will likely (with good intention) try to prevent the exit.
Again, something our current laws don't address very well.

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In article <1109230667.702477.185630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote:

> And were he my family member I would appreciate a chance to say a
> real goodbye, I think there is something intrisically cowardly about
> sneaking off while no one's looking (My opinion based on personal
> experiences with the matter.)

Hunter did exactly that, he spent the weekend with his entire family.
I think it was well planned and executed. You obviously didn't read the
news report from the family I referenced.

Sorry your personal experiences weren't as well done.
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Well I agree to an extent... but how do you know he didn't say goodby
first?

I'm not bummed he's dead but that fact that he killed himself in that
particular way is a drag.

Al

On 24 Feb 2005 03:50:32 -0800, "dale" <dallen@frognet.net> wrote:

> And were he my family member I would appreciate a chance to say a
>real goodbye, I think there is something intrisically cowardly about
>sneaking off while no one's looking (My opinion based on personal
>experiences with the matter.)
>
>Will Miho
>
> A spokesman for the Thompson family said Wednesday that the family had
>no hint that Thompson was going to take his own life, but in
>retrospect, they believe that he planned the act and had spent the days
>before his suicide bonding with his family. "This was not just an act
>of irrationality," said spokesman Douglas Brinkley. "It was a very
>preplanned act."

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another viewer wrote:
> no dear, the cowardly way to go out is terminally ill, plugged up to
> every machine imaginable and wasting away time and money when the
> inevitable is present.

Strawman. He was not terminally ill. The news accounts report he
had been saying for the last 2 years he "wanted to die before it
stopped being fun." He was afraid of growing old. And he shot himself
in the head with a 6 year old in the house, there is no excuse for
that.

> planning and saying "i love you all, here is why this is happening
and
> goodbye, the inevitable is going to happen on my terms" takes
fortitude
> most people can't imagine.

That's not what happened either. And there is a big difference
between not being kept alive artificially and shooting yourself in the
head. The facts of Thompsosn's own words suggest he simply feared old
age, that he in fact succumbed to his inner fears. But I am fully
aware that some of you prefer to maintain a heroic mythology for people
you would idolize, even when they act in a manner that is blatantly and
obviously unworthy of such admiration.

But such is the nature of "True Believers".

Will Miho
NY Music and TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio / Fox News / M-AES
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another viewer wrote:

> no dear, the cowardly way to go out is terminally ill, plugged up to
> every machine imaginable and wasting away time and money when the
> inevitable is present.
>
> planning and saying "i love you all, here is why this is happening and
> goodbye, the inevitable is going to happen on my terms" takes fortitude
> most people can't imagine.

Hear, hear. It was my fathers choice and we respected him
deeply for having the courage to make it. No, we weren't
privy apriori; he wouldn't have burdened us with that
particular foreknowledge.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

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nmm wrote:
>
> There is a really interesting interview with him from jan 2003 on the
> Democracy Now program for Feb 23rd 2003

<http://www.democracynow.org/browsebydate.pl?year=2003&m...; has not entry for February 23rd. Searching brings up just the recent stuff.

Got a pointer?

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"John" <are.you.crazy@sendmenomail.com> wrote in message
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> Much respect. I hope they get the cannon.

They've got access to one, anyway. A local Denver radio station found
someone with one or more cannon to do the honors.

Glenn D.

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WillStG wrote:
> Or is it that
> according to you one may only talk about what a cowardly, stupid thing
> a suicide like this is only after *I* am dead? Well that Bob Cain
> concurs with _that_ is certainly no surprise.

Will you _ever_ stop putting words in other people's mouths?

>
> "True believers" indeed, to make such weak excuses for a man who
> lacked the courage to face his inner fears and narcissism - or maybe
> just to excuse your own denial over how reprehensible what he did was.

Will you ever be comfortable with choices others make for
themselves rather than those you make for them? If there is
one single thing you are totally consistent about or one
single thread that underlies most all of your opinions, it
is that.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

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Kurt Albershardt wrote:
> nmm wrote:
> >
> > There is a really interesting interview with him from jan 2003 on
the
> > Democracy Now program for Feb 23rd 2003
>
> <http://www.democracynow.org/browsebydate.pl?year=2003&m...; has
not entry for February 23rd. Searching brings up just the recent
stuff.
>
> Got a pointer?

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/23/164...


Sorry it was program for Feb 23rd 2005.

I was rolling on the floor when they asked him if he'd ever been to
Iraq.

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Bob Cain wrote:
> Will you ever be comfortable with choices others make for
> themselves rather than those you make for them? If there is
> one single thing you are totally consistent about or one
> single thread that underlies most all of your opinions, it
> is that.

Maybe you think suicide is a wonderful "Choice" Bob, and I will
even cede there may be circumstances where is is not a self centered
and stupidly destructive/self destructive act. But not in this case,
not in this circumstance, and that some here find Thompson's suicide
an example worthy of celebration, even admiration turns my stomuch.

But obviously Bob, you already drank the koolaid.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff A1 / Fox News Channel / M-AES
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x-no archive: yes


WillStG wrote:

> That's not what happened either.

As if you know.

--
ha

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the next book...

"Fear and Loathing" in Grandpa's Kitchen.

I don't want to pass judgement on the man, no doubt a good writer. Not
very considerate for his family though if he did commit suicide. May he
rest in peace.

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On 24 Feb 2005 21:11:12 -0800, "WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote:

>Bob Cain wrote:
>> Will you ever be comfortable with choices others make for
>> themselves rather than those you make for them? If there is
>> one single thing you are totally consistent about or one
>> single thread that underlies most all of your opinions, it
>> is that.
>
> Maybe you think suicide is a wonderful "Choice" Bob, and I will
>even cede there may be circumstances where is is not a self centered
>and stupidly destructive/self destructive act. But not in this case,
>not in this circumstance, and that some here find Thompson's suicide
>an example worthy of celebration, even admiration turns my stomuch.
>

Can you stop putting words in people's mouths? Well we all know the
answer to that one I guess... I didn't read a single post that could
be construed as a celebration the man's death. Your warped world view
would be no problem if you could just keep from inflicting in on
everyone else.

Al

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WillStG wrote:
> Bob Cain wrote:
>
>>Will you ever be comfortable with choices others make for
>>themselves rather than those you make for them? If there is
>>one single thing you are totally consistent about or one
>>single thread that underlies most all of your opinions, it
>>is that.
>
>
> Maybe you think suicide is a wonderful "Choice" Bob,

Once again, words I've not spoken placed in my mouth. Find
where I said wonderful. Between the lines was "pragmatic"
but certainly not "wonderful."

> and I will
> even cede there may be circumstances where is is not a self centered
> and stupidly destructive/self destructive act. But not in this case,
> not in this circumstance, and that some here find Thompson's suicide
> an example worthy of celebration, even admiration turns my stomuch.

You are not pro-choice, then. I am.

>
> But obviously Bob, you already drank the koolaid.

Long ago in a far away place. You got one thing right at
least; that experience totally changed my internal
relationship to my own mortality. I've not feared death in
the 35 years since that first time and definitely will make
the choice should it become appropriate if I still have the
choice.

If and when the quality of my remaining days is obviously
insufficient to justify experiencing them, I'm outta here;
only I, or a chosen surrogate, will be the judge of when
that imbalance obtains. All who know me well are fully
aware of that and have been instructed to take it with a
grain of salt if and when it occurs. I see no reason to be
passive about the inescapable. So, yes, I do find something
to admire in (Dr.) Hunter S. Thompson's exit.

FWIW, at this time all of that last paragraph remains in the
domain of the hypothetical.

(For all the thought and emotional energy I've put into
considering this issue, I'll probably fall over from cardiac
arrest some day in the distant future with no awareness it
is happening. :-)


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

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WillStG wrote:

> But obviously Bob, you already drank the koolaid.

Many of the folks I've known who took their own life did so because they
couldn't survive psychologically after their experiences in Viet Nam,
and the way we treat them around Agent Orange and such has been so
thoughtful and considerate. Now we see our noble leader wanting to
deprive Desert Storm vets of their rightful settlement. Somebody is
drinking the koolaid, but it ain't Bob Cain. Somebody has declared
themself to be the perfect judge of their fellow humans, but it ain't
Bob Cain.

--
ha

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"hank alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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>
> Your book does not yet have in it its own final pages. Talk the talk
> when you've walked the walk. How much judgement is a good Christian
> supposed to bring to bear on his fellow humans? Have some pages fallen
> from your Book?
>

That's going to be the sad reckoning. Though it won't happen to most of them
a horrible exit awaits at least a few of those people who have championed
"right to life" at all costs no matter how much it extends the suffering.
God has a funny way of smacking us in our self-righteous mouths when we've
judged other's choices. He often puts us in that same position. And when he
does, see if your belief (not your faith) about what is the right thing to
do in that situation stays the same.

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WillStG wrote:
> hank alrich wrote:
> > WillStG wrote:
> >

> I am here to say the claim that suicide is "victimless" is
> bullshit.
>
> To give the man props and kudos for offing himself just makes me
> wanna puke.


Strange coming from the Japanesse culture of honorable suicides.

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"and i respect a man who goes to where he wants to be,
even if he wants to be dead"
vic chesnut

(that might be a paraphrase..)

> Strange coming from the Japanesse culture of honorable suicides.

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Ricky Hunt wrote:
> "hank alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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>
>>Your book does not yet have in it its own final pages. Talk the talk
>>when you've walked the walk. How much judgement is a good Christian
>>supposed to bring to bear on his fellow humans? Have some pages fallen
>>from your Book?
>>
>
>
> That's going to be the sad reckoning. Though it won't happen to most of them
> a horrible exit awaits at least a few of those people who have championed
> "right to life" at all costs no matter how much it extends the suffering.
> God has a funny way of smacking us in our self-righteous mouths when we've
> judged other's choices. He often puts us in that same position.

<http://www.johndear.org/articles/Pharisee%20Nation.htm&...;

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So you're saying he was a crazy selfish bastard?
Didn't everyone know that?
How bout the time he threw Bill Murry, who was tied to a lawn chair, in the
swimming pool.
Still, one would have thought he might have been more creative, instead of
just doing n bad imitation of Hemingway.

Tom




"WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> another viewer wrote:
> > no dear, the cowardly way to go out is terminally ill, plugged up to
> > every machine imaginable and wasting away time and money when the
> > inevitable is present.
>
> Strawman. He was not terminally ill. The news accounts report he
> had been saying for the last 2 years he "wanted to die before it
> stopped being fun." He was afraid of growing old. And he shot himself
> in the head with a 6 year old in the house, there is no excuse for
> that.
>
> > planning and saying "i love you all, here is why this is happening
> and
> > goodbye, the inevitable is going to happen on my terms" takes
> fortitude
> > most people can't imagine.
>
> That's not what happened either. And there is a big difference
> between not being kept alive artificially and shooting yourself in the
> head. The facts of Thompsosn's own words suggest he simply feared old
> age, that he in fact succumbed to his inner fears. But I am fully
> aware that some of you prefer to maintain a heroic mythology for people
> you would idolize, even when they act in a manner that is blatantly and
> obviously unworthy of such admiration.
>
> But such is the nature of "True Believers".
>
> Will Miho
> NY Music and TV Audio Guy
> Staff Audio / Fox News / M-AES
> "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits
>

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play_on wrote:

> George Gleason wrote:

> >Suicide is against the law
> >in fact , in Russia, the punishment for suicide is death
> >George

> One of those rare cases where the reward and the punishment are the
> same thing...

Imagine, busted for grass, and having to smoke _more_. Damn. That'll
teach 'em.

--
ha

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Bob Cain wrote:
> WillStG wrote:

>> and I will
>> even cede there may be circumstances where is is not a self centered
>> and stupidly destructive/self destructive act. But not in this case,
>> not in this circumstance, and that some here find Thompson's suicide
>> an example worthy of celebration, even admiration turns my stomuch.

> You are not pro-choice, then. I am.

I think that's an unfair conclusion.

Respecting someone's right to make choices for themselves does not
mean you have to respect the choice they make. It does not mean
that all possible choices have to become socially acceptable.

It is perfectly reasonable to say that you respect that nobody
can make a certain choice but the individual and still maintain
the opinion that certain options are stupid and wrong. (And doing
so doesn't have to mean that you don't respect the person, either.)

- Logan

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Logan Shaw wrote:

>>You are not pro-choice, then. I am.
>
>
> I think that's an unfair conclusion.
>
> Respecting someone's right to make choices for themselves does not
> mean you have to respect the choice they make.

Agreed, but you don't have to publicly dis' it either.

> It does not mean
> that all possible choices have to become socially acceptable.

Within the limits of negatively impacting other people's
rights and quality of life, I think anything should be
socially acceptable. If you've read his son's comments on
it today it is pretty clear that what HST did was acceptable
to him and that he had great affection and respect for his
dad before and after. There actually seemed to be some
admiration there in that he saw his father maintaining
control of his own life right down to how it would end.

That's why I think this case is different than many. It
can, of course, be a terribly selfish act if it is known
that it will be harmful to others but I think he had done
the footwork to minimize or eliminate that.

> It is perfectly reasonable to say that you respect that nobody
> can make a certain choice but the individual and still maintain
> the opinion that certain options are stupid and wrong. (And doing
> so doesn't have to mean that you don't respect the person, either.)

Agreed again, and with the same caveat.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

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Wonder if they could convert us into styli for turntable cartridges.
We could spend eternity spinning out songs from '70s audiophile
recordings. A just end.


On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:01:45 -0800, "Jonny Durango"
<jonnybush_from_officedurango1@comcast.net> wrote:

>This might change your mind about that one....this is how I'm going out
>
>www.lifegem.com
>
>almost makes me look forward to the afterlife =)
>
>--
>
>Jonny Durango
>
>"Patrick was a saint. I ain't."
>
>http://www.jdurango.com
>
>
>
>"Animix" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:cvjlqb0e45@enews2.newsguy.com...
>> All I know is that I'm putting a provision in my will to be shot out a
>> cannon when I die. Cremation *prior to* not really necessary.
>>
>> DJ
>>
>> "John" <are.you.crazy@sendmenomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:are.you.crazy-2370BA.18095723022005@news.supernews.com...
>> > per CNN online
>> >
>> > "Journalist Hunter S. Thompson did not take his life "in a moment of
>> > haste or anger or despondency" and probably planned his suicide well in
>> > advance because of his declining health, the family's spokesman said
>> > Wednesday."
>> >
>> > the full article makes complete sense and fits him perfectly. It was
>> > going to be done his way, on his terms.
>> >
>> > Much respect. I hope they get the cannon.
>> > --
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>> > http://www.digisrvs.com
>>
>>
>
>

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