Madden '06...quick impressions

[Turk]

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Vision cone...a little wonky. The concept is solid, but it's tough to get
the hang of and doesn't always work smoothly. The cone doesn't move as
precisely as it should at times. They have to figure out a way to make it
take less buttons, more intuitive. Plus, it screws up your draw plays since
the QB always locks in straight ahead and draws the D in there as they read
his eyes, and they are waiting for the RB.

Franchise mode...not a single difference from '05. If there is anything
new, I can't find it. Even the childishly simplistic FA contract
negotiations are the same. Considering some of the text football sims have
much better systems, I can't believe EA didn't work on this.

Graphics...Wtf? This is '05 all over again. I have it maxed on 1600x1200
and it is identical. Maybe because it was developed for the consoles
simultaneously, and that's as good as they can look, it would have taken too
much work to optimize it for the PC? Whatever the reason, it's inexcusable.

Superstar mode...haven't gotten to it. It better be spectacular, because
there is nothing else new here.

This should have been a patch. So far, I can't understand how the minor
additions justify a whole new game. I haven't played a lot yet, but my
initial impression is very disappointing. I can see recommending this to a
new Madden player, but it hardly seems worth the cash for someone who owns
'05.

turk
--
"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely,
the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great
and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire
at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H. L.
Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920.

 

[Guest]

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"turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Vision cone...a little wonky. The concept is solid, but it's tough to get
> the hang of and doesn't always work smoothly. The cone doesn't move as
> precisely as it should at times. They have to figure out a way to make it
> take less buttons, more intuitive. Plus, it screws up your draw plays
> since the QB always locks in straight ahead and draws the D in there as
> they read his eyes, and they are waiting for the RB.
>
> Franchise mode...not a single difference from '05. If there is anything
> new, I can't find it. Even the childishly simplistic FA contract
> negotiations are the same. Considering some of the text football sims
> have much better systems, I can't believe EA didn't work on this.
>
> Graphics...Wtf? This is '05 all over again. I have it maxed on 1600x1200
> and it is identical. Maybe because it was developed for the consoles
> simultaneously, and that's as good as they can look, it would have taken
> too much work to optimize it for the PC? Whatever the reason, it's
> inexcusable.
>
> Superstar mode...haven't gotten to it. It better be spectacular, because
> there is nothing else new here.
>
> This should have been a patch. So far, I can't understand how the minor
> additions justify a whole new game. I haven't played a lot yet, but my
> initial impression is very disappointing. I can see recommending this to
> a new Madden player, but it hardly seems worth the cash for someone who
> owns '05.
>
> turk
> --

I've given up on this series. To think that we have only Madden to show for
the most popular sport in America! The way to go, beyond a doubt, is the
text-based games. Madden is finished, old hat, same stuff, year after year.

Alanb

 

[Turk]

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"Alan Bernardo" <ifeelyourpain@ihatebush.net> wrote in message
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>
> "turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:boSdnaFHKfI2GZveRVn-rQ@comcast.com...
>> Vision cone...a little wonky. The concept is solid, but it's tough to
>> get the hang of and doesn't always work smoothly. The cone doesn't move
>> as precisely as it should at times. They have to figure out a way to make
>> it take less buttons, more intuitive. Plus, it screws up your draw plays
>> since the QB always locks in straight ahead and draws the D in there as
>> they read his eyes, and they are waiting for the RB.
>>
>> Franchise mode...not a single difference from '05. If there is anything
>> new, I can't find it. Even the childishly simplistic FA contract
>> negotiations are the same. Considering some of the text football sims
>> have much better systems, I can't believe EA didn't work on this.
>>
>> Graphics...Wtf? This is '05 all over again. I have it maxed on
>> 1600x1200 and it is identical. Maybe because it was developed for the
>> consoles simultaneously, and that's as good as they can look, it would
>> have taken too much work to optimize it for the PC? Whatever the reason,
>> it's inexcusable.
>>
>> Superstar mode...haven't gotten to it. It better be spectacular, because
>> there is nothing else new here.
>>
>> This should have been a patch. So far, I can't understand how the minor
>> additions justify a whole new game. I haven't played a lot yet, but my
>> initial impression is very disappointing. I can see recommending this to
>> a new Madden player, but it hardly seems worth the cash for someone who
>> owns '05.
>>
>> turk
>> --
>
> I've given up on this series. To think that we have only Madden to show
> for the most popular sport in America! The way to go, beyond a doubt, is
> the text-based games. Madden is finished, old hat, same stuff, year after
> year.

What text games? I'm still waiting for a new version of Total Pro Football.
I know that Maximum Football should FINALLY be released sometime in the next
few weeks (although I've heard this "almost done" stuff before, so who
knows) but that game has been in development so long it looks like Madden
2001 at best, graphics wise. Plus, it's taken so long and had so many
problems i really can't see a quality product emerging. Division Rivals is
in limbo. You either go console or you don't play football games other than
Madden.

turk
--
"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely,
the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great
and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire
at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H. L.
Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920.

 

[Guest]

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>>
>> I've given up on this series. To think that we have only Madden to show
>> for the most popular sport in America! The way to go, beyond a doubt, is
>> the text-based games. Madden is finished, old hat, same stuff, year
>> after year.
>
> What text games? I'm still waiting for a new version of Total Pro
> Football. I know that Maximum Football should FINALLY be released sometime
> in the next few weeks (although I've heard this "almost done" stuff
> before, so who knows) but that game has been in development so long it
> looks like Madden 2001 at best, graphics wise. Plus, it's taken so long
> and had so many problems i really can't see a quality product emerging.
> Division Rivals is in limbo. You either go console or you don't play
> football games other than Madden.
>

One in particular that is very good but one I've shied away from (except for
once) is Strat-O-Matic's text-based football game. I think it is the best
there is, plus it can be played online.

One problem, though-- price! The newest version with the card image (a
must) is $64.00. That's crazy. Plus you get charged another 5 bills for
shipping (UPS). There's even a college game now, which I'm seriously
thinking of getting.

Except for this exorbitant price, (which is a big "except") I'd buy these
games every year.


Alanb

 

[Turk]

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"Alan Bernardo" <ifeelyourpain@ihatebush.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> I've given up on this series. To think that we have only Madden to show
>>> for the most popular sport in America! The way to go, beyond a doubt,
>>> is the text-based games. Madden is finished, old hat, same stuff, year
>>> after year.
>>
>> What text games? I'm still waiting for a new version of Total Pro
>> Football. I know that Maximum Football should FINALLY be released
>> sometime in the next few weeks (although I've heard this "almost done"
>> stuff before, so who knows) but that game has been in development so long
>> it looks like Madden 2001 at best, graphics wise. Plus, it's taken so
>> long and had so many problems i really can't see a quality product
>> emerging. Division Rivals is in limbo. You either go console or you
>> don't play football games other than Madden.
>>
>
> One in particular that is very good but one I've shied away from (except
> for once) is Strat-O-Matic's text-based football game. I think it is the
> best there is, plus it can be played online.
>
> One problem, though-- price! The newest version with the card image (a
> must) is $64.00. That's crazy. Plus you get charged another 5 bills for
> shipping (UPS). There's even a college game now, which I'm seriously
> thinking of getting.
>
> Except for this exorbitant price, (which is a big "except") I'd buy these
> games every year.

That's a replay type game. Not something I'm interested in. I prefer
graphics, but I do like a good text game. Unfortunately, there aren't many
out there. I liked Total Pro, but FOF has always left me flat. I think I'm
going to start a Madden '06 franchise and do coach mode and see how that
goes. The action part is just not too good.

turk
--
"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely,
the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great
and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire
at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H. L.
Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920.

 

[Guest]

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> That's a replay type game. Not something I'm interested in. I prefer
> graphics, but I do like a good text game. Unfortunately, there aren't
> many out there. I liked Total Pro, but FOF has always left me flat. I
> think I'm going to start a Madden '06 franchise and do coach mode and see
> how that goes. The action part is just not too good.
>

I love the strat football game. Sure, you can replay seasons, like you
might do in any other game. You take a team, and run a season. There's no
career mode; but there is online. That part can be pretty intense and
personal: it's you against someone else. Nothing to do with joysticks or
gamepads. Just a little luck with the dice and all, just like there is in
any kind of sport's competition.

Madden online never impressed me. Everyone takes Vick and Atlanta and
exploits holes in the game and that's about it. I'd like to get the XBox
version this year, but I'm not forking out 50 bucks every year for what is
essentially a 20 dollar upgrade, if even that.

Alanb

 

[Turk]

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"Alan Bernardo" <ifeelyourpain@ihatebush.net> wrote in message
news:h9idnZ2dnZ1nq-D0nZ2dnd02m96dnZ2dRVn-yZ2dnZ0@comcast.com...
>> That's a replay type game. Not something I'm interested in. I prefer
>> graphics, but I do like a good text game. Unfortunately, there aren't
>> many out there. I liked Total Pro, but FOF has always left me flat. I
>> think I'm going to start a Madden '06 franchise and do coach mode and see
>> how that goes. The action part is just not too good.
>>
>
> I love the strat football game. Sure, you can replay seasons, like you
> might do in any other game. You take a team, and run a season. There's
> no career mode; but there is online. That part can be pretty intense and
> personal: it's you against someone else. Nothing to do with joysticks or
> gamepads. Just a little luck with the dice and all, just like there is in
> any kind of sport's competition.
>
> Madden online never impressed me. Everyone takes Vick and Atlanta and
> exploits holes in the game and that's about it. I'd like to get the XBox
> version this year, but I'm not forking out 50 bucks every year for what is
> essentially a 20 dollar upgrade, if even that.

Strat-O-Matic has a prime opportunity to take over the text strategy
Football market, but all they do is update the cards and streamline the
engine. I'm not interested in "what if" scenarios. I want to have a real
gaming experience where I am GM, coach, etc. adn make the decisions. If
they put together a viable career mode, then I might look at them. At this
point, I've played their games, it hasn't changed much in years. I'm not
interested.

turk
--
"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely,
the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great
and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire
at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H. L.
Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920.

 

[Guest]

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"turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> This should have been a patch. So far, I can't understand how the minor
> additions justify a whole new game. I haven't played a lot yet, but my
> initial impression is very disappointing. I can see recommending this to
> a new Madden player, but it hardly seems worth the cash for someone who
> owns '05.
>


A lot of people on GameSpot had the exact same impressions. If you have 05
and are happy with it, there's really not much need for this year's version.
I guess this is what happens when exclusive deals are struck.

 

[jamie]

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The cone takes getting used to. I DO agree it is essentially just an
upgrade. I checked out superstar mode briefly and...eh it seems ok.
Actually its probably just "The Sims" turned football. LOL.

With the vision cone I do find myself getting out of the pocket more and
more. With 2005 I was sitting in the pocket reading and reacting to the
defense. I Cant really do that this year <yet> the vision cone is messing
me up. Too many buttons to push to get the right guy I want to throw it
too. When I do find the right button, defenders are right in my face.

I do agree that franchise mode is just the same as last year, although I
haven't finished a season yet. It is easier to run, more missed tackles and
a few new animations. Sounds like a "Patch" to me.

--
Jamie



Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good,
you'll have to ram them down people's throats
....Howard Aiken
"turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Vision cone...a little wonky. The concept is solid, but it's tough to get
> the hang of and doesn't always work smoothly. The cone doesn't move as
> precisely as it should at times. They have to figure out a way to make it
> take less buttons, more intuitive. Plus, it screws up your draw plays
> since the QB always locks in straight ahead and draws the D in there as
> they read his eyes, and they are waiting for the RB.
>
> Franchise mode...not a single difference from '05. If there is anything
> new, I can't find it. Even the childishly simplistic FA contract
> negotiations are the same. Considering some of the text football sims
> have much better systems, I can't believe EA didn't work on this.
>
> Graphics...Wtf? This is '05 all over again. I have it maxed on 1600x1200
> and it is identical. Maybe because it was developed for the consoles
> simultaneously, and that's as good as they can look, it would have taken
> too much work to optimize it for the PC? Whatever the reason, it's
> inexcusable.
>
> Superstar mode...haven't gotten to it. It better be spectacular, because
> there is nothing else new here.
>
> This should have been a patch. So far, I can't understand how the minor
> additions justify a whole new game. I haven't played a lot yet, but my
> initial impression is very disappointing. I can see recommending this to
> a new Madden player, but it hardly seems worth the cash for someone who
> owns '05.
>
> turk
> --
> "As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely,
> the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great
> and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
> desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright
> moron." - H. L. Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920.
>

 

[Turk]

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"Jamie" <whats_an_email@what.com> wrote in message
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> The cone takes getting used to. I DO agree it is essentially just an
> upgrade. I checked out superstar mode briefly and...eh it seems ok.
> Actually its probably just "The Sims" turned football. LOL.
>
> With the vision cone I do find myself getting out of the pocket more and
> more. With 2005 I was sitting in the pocket reading and reacting to the
> defense. I Cant really do that this year <yet> the vision cone is messing
> me up. Too many buttons to push to get the right guy I want to throw it
> too. When I do find the right button, defenders are right in my face.
>
> I do agree that franchise mode is just the same as last year, although I
> haven't finished a season yet. It is easier to run, more missed tackles
> and a few new animations. Sounds like a "Patch" to me.

Yeah, I have noticed a few new animations, but not many. I guess the best
thing about this year's graphics is that the jerseys don't look unnaturally
shiny like they did in '05. But other than that, not much different.

I'm really beginning to hate the vision cones. Just too many damned buttons
and sticks to play with. And as I mentioned, the draw play is essentially
useless with the vision cones option on.

turk
--
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment
insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of
that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group,
of course, that believes that you can do these things. Among them are a few
Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from
other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."--President
Dwight Eisenhower, Republican November 8, 1954

 

[jamie]

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VERY true! So many damned buttons to push. I can't tell the number of
times I've pushed a button to pass only to have the QB pump fake. ARRGGHH.
I'm also out of the pocket on passing downs almost every pass play. I've
watched a lot of replays to find out blocking schemes and what the defense
is doing. I've noticed that I dont have to get out of the pocket as much as
i do, but it seems with so much going on I just need the extra time. I may
turn the cone off for a bit to see how it feels.

--
Jamie

Real integrity is doing the right thing, knowing that nobody's going to know
whether you did it or not.
....O.W.

Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good,
you'll have to ram them down people's throats
....Howard Aiken
"turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "Jamie" <whats_an_email@what.com> wrote in message
> news:yZudnZSYvZly5ZreRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
>> The cone takes getting used to. I DO agree it is essentially just an
>> upgrade. I checked out superstar mode briefly and...eh it seems ok.
>> Actually its probably just "The Sims" turned football. LOL.
>>
>> With the vision cone I do find myself getting out of the pocket more and
>> more. With 2005 I was sitting in the pocket reading and reacting to the
>> defense. I Cant really do that this year <yet> the vision cone is
>> messing me up. Too many buttons to push to get the right guy I want to
>> throw it too. When I do find the right button, defenders are right in my
>> face.
>>
>> I do agree that franchise mode is just the same as last year, although I
>> haven't finished a season yet. It is easier to run, more missed tackles
>> and a few new animations. Sounds like a "Patch" to me.
>
> Yeah, I have noticed a few new animations, but not many. I guess the best
> thing about this year's graphics is that the jerseys don't look
> unnaturally shiny like they did in '05. But other than that, not much
> different.
>
> I'm really beginning to hate the vision cones. Just too many damned
> buttons and sticks to play with. And as I mentioned, the draw play is
> essentially useless with the vision cones option on.
>
> turk
> --
> "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security,
> unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you
> would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a
> tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these
> things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional
> politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and
> they are stupid."--President Dwight Eisenhower, Republican November 8,
> 1954
>

 

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Ok, I agree lots of buttons to push, but once you get used to it, I did
the practice mode and after a few hours, I'm an expert now. And if you
have a high accuracy rating the cone is huge so it spans most of the
field and you really don't need to direct it unless you are throwing to
the opposite sideline or to a back coming out of the backfield. You
also have to option to change the receiver the cone is going to be on
when you hike the ball. I enjoy the QB vision, something different.

Jamie wrote:
> VERY true! So many damned buttons to push. I can't tell the number of
> times I've pushed a button to pass only to have the QB pump fake. ARRGGHH.
> I'm also out of the pocket on passing downs almost every pass play. I've
> watched a lot of replays to find out blocking schemes and what the defense
> is doing. I've noticed that I dont have to get out of the pocket as much as
> i do, but it seems with so much going on I just need the extra time. I may
> turn the cone off for a bit to see how it feels.
>
> --
> Jamie
>
> Real integrity is doing the right thing, knowing that nobody's going to know
> whether you did it or not.
> ...O.W.
>
> Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good,
> you'll have to ram them down people's throats
> ...Howard Aiken
> "turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:voudnaJO6JCfSpXeRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
> > "Jamie" <whats_an_email@what.com> wrote in message
> > news:yZudnZSYvZly5ZreRVn-vQ@comcast.com...
> >> The cone takes getting used to. I DO agree it is essentially just an
> >> upgrade. I checked out superstar mode briefly and...eh it seems ok.
> >> Actually its probably just "The Sims" turned football. LOL.
> >>
> >> With the vision cone I do find myself getting out of the pocket more and
> >> more. With 2005 I was sitting in the pocket reading and reacting to the
> >> defense. I Cant really do that this year <yet> the vision cone is
> >> messing me up. Too many buttons to push to get the right guy I want to
> >> throw it too. When I do find the right button, defenders are right in my
> >> face.
> >>
> >> I do agree that franchise mode is just the same as last year, although I
> >> haven't finished a season yet. It is easier to run, more missed tackles
> >> and a few new animations. Sounds like a "Patch" to me.
> >
> > Yeah, I have noticed a few new animations, but not many. I guess the best
> > thing about this year's graphics is that the jerseys don't look
> > unnaturally shiny like they did in '05. But other than that, not much
> > different.
> >
> > I'm really beginning to hate the vision cones. Just too many damned
> > buttons and sticks to play with. And as I mentioned, the draw play is
> > essentially useless with the vision cones option on.
> >
> > turk
> > --
> > "Should any political party attempt to abolish social security,
> > unemployment insurance and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you
> > would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a
> > tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these
> > things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional
> > politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and
> > they are stupid."--President Dwight Eisenhower, Republican November 8,
> > 1954
> >

 

[Guest]

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In article <1125118170.941732.188490@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
rodolfo.mtz@gmail.com says...
> Ok, I agree lots of buttons to push, but once you get used to it, I did
> the practice mode and after a few hours, I'm an expert now. And if you
> have a high accuracy rating the cone is huge so it spans most of the
> field and you really don't need to direct it unless you are throwing to
> the opposite sideline or to a back coming out of the backfield. You
> also have to option to change the receiver the cone is going to be on
> when you hike the ball. I enjoy the QB vision, something different.

I *love* it. It's amazing to finally be able to look off the safety then
come back across the field to your receiver that is now in single
coverage. A lot more realistic than before.

--
Rob Berryhill

 

[jsmith]

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Obviously you aren't playing in All Madden mode. You won't have the time to
look off the Safety and go the other way. It's like doing a CTRL-ALT_ESC
then a CTRL-ALT-DEL.

"Rob Berryhill" <rob_berryhill@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d7a4c03f884159b989753@news.west.cox.net...
> In article <1125118170.941732.188490@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> rodolfo.mtz@gmail.com says...
>> Ok, I agree lots of buttons to push, but once you get used to it, I did
>> the practice mode and after a few hours, I'm an expert now. And if you
>> have a high accuracy rating the cone is huge so it spans most of the
>> field and you really don't need to direct it unless you are throwing to
>> the opposite sideline or to a back coming out of the backfield. You
>> also have to option to change the receiver the cone is going to be on
>> when you hike the ball. I enjoy the QB vision, something different.
>
> I *love* it. It's amazing to finally be able to look off the safety then
> come back across the field to your receiver that is now in single
> coverage. A lot more realistic than before.
>
> --
> Rob Berryhill
>

 

[Guest]

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Alan Bernardo a écrit :
> To think that we have only Madden to show for
> the most popular sport in America!

OT, but have you ever wondered why nobody outside of the USA has the
least interest in that game ?

Like in Europe or Oceania (Australia, New-Zealand + a bunch of fancy
named islands in the Southern hemisphere), we play rugby (continuous
action, the same players stay on the field for O and D, no
armour'n'helmets, just real physical contact), or even Gaelic or
Australian football that are WAYYYY tougher than that stupid
run-five-seconds-stop-40-seconds-change-players Michelin-men "sport".

And I haven't yet evoked base-ball.

--
Virez Saddam pour me répondre.
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[Andrew]

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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 07:15:25 +0200, "R.V. Gronoff"
<regis.gronoff@saddamifrance.com> thought he would demonstrate how
completely clueless he is in a public forum with this:

>OT, but have you ever wondered why nobody outside of the USA has the
>least interest in that game ?

Actually a very large number of people outside the US are big fans of
American Football, myself included. It is a far better sport than
Rugby, Aussie rules or soccer IMO.
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:38:30 +0200, "R.V. Gronoff"
<regis.gronoff@saddamifrance.com> wrote:

>US football is not a sport at all.

*yawn*

> It's chess played with armoured pawns
>on a rugby field.

Which is why it's a great sport, intelligent gameplay mixed with great
athleticism and violence. What's not to like?
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Andrew a écrit :
> On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:38:30 +0200, "R.V. Gronoff"
> <regis.gronoff@saddamifrance.com> wrote:
>
>
>>US football is not a sport at all.
>
>
> *yawn*
>
>
>>It's chess played with armoured pawns
>>on a rugby field.
>
>
> Which is why it's a great sport, intelligent gameplay mixed with great
> athleticism and violence. What's not to like?

The lack of pace and the intermissions between each action.
This is typically american and for that reason will never make it in
Europe where we like continuous action.
Modern rugby's a good compromise, because there's some coaching
involved, but it doesn't kill the rythm of the action. The 3/4 of the
teams actually DO play the 80mn of the match.

As for athleticism and violence, just watch a New Zealand All Blacks vs.
South Africa Springboks game. You'll have it full scale with no pads to
absorb 95% of the shocks. Those guys REALLY hate each other, so much
that it's scary!

As for speed, I think AB Joe Rokocoko's just as good as any NFL WR.
France had and has some very good runners too, like Emile N'Tamak
(retired) or wingmen like Dominici, Elhorga, etc.
It takes some skill to pass slightly backwards while running full speed
and having one of those opponent 250lb linemen about to crush you at
full speed too, or achieving a good up'n'under or a follow-up kick.

That's what I don't understand in NFL games: why the heck doesn't the
ball carrier kick the ball ahead sometimes just to give himself some air
to run, and why don't they ever attempt a drop kick between the posts
when they've reached the red zone ?

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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:41:47 +0200, "R.V. Gronoff"
<regis.gronoff@saddamifrance.com> wrote:

>> Which is why it's a great sport, intelligent gameplay mixed with great
>> athleticism and violence. What's not to like?
>
>The lack of pace and the intermissions between each action.

That is a strength of it so you can watch slo-mo replays to appreciate
what has just happened.

>As for athleticism and violence, just watch a New Zealand All Blacks vs.
>South Africa Springboks game. You'll have it full scale with no pads to
>absorb 95% of the shocks. Those guys REALLY hate each other, so much
>that it's scary!

The reason they wear armour is so there aren't multiple fatalities and
mamings each season as there was before armour was used.
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Andrew a écrit :
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 09:41:47 +0200, "R.V. Gronoff"
> <regis.gronoff@saddamifrance.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Which is why it's a great sport, intelligent gameplay mixed with great
>>>athleticism and violence. What's not to like?
>>
>>The lack of pace and the intermissions between each action.
>
>
> That is a strength of it so you can watch slo-mo replays to appreciate
> what has just happened.
>
>
>>As for athleticism and violence, just watch a New Zealand All Blacks vs.
>>South Africa Springboks game. You'll have it full scale with no pads to
>>absorb 95% of the shocks. Those guys REALLY hate each other, so much
>>that it's scary!
>
>
> The reason they wear armour is so there aren't multiple fatalities and
> mamings each season as there was before armour was used.

That's why rugby has rules about tackles. They can be as violent as you
dare (I think the shock and pressure in a ruck pack is even more brutal
than the tackles. Last year, for example, an Australian lineman broke a
cervical disc under a ruck pressure. A ruck pack can weigh up one ton.
Light helmets have been allowed for linemen so that they wouldn't lose
an ear or break their skull during the engagement shock or under the
pressure) but you may not, for example, grab the opponent's neck or head
(high tackle) or block/tackle a player who isn't actually carrying the
ball. In french, this is called "passage à vide".

The most frequent injuries in rugby are open arcades, like boxers
(bleeds a lot, but it's a light injury cured by a simple pressure with
oxygenated water and suture) and tearing of the crossed ligaments often
caused by a side tackle in the knees.
Rugby's the second most dangerous international sport in the world after
horse riding.

If you can put your hands on the return South Africa vs. New Zealand
Tri-Nation match of last month, you'll understand what I'm talking about.

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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:01:50 +0200, "R.V. Gronoff"
<regis.gronoff@saddamifrance.com> wrote:

>If you can put your hands on the return South Africa vs. New Zealand
>Tri-Nation match of last month, you'll understand what I'm talking about.

Try watching some American Football then you might have a clue what
you are talking about. Armour is absolutely essential as even with it
there are probably more injuries than in Rugby.
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:48:38 +0100, Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.>
wrote:

>On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:01:50 +0200, "R.V. Gronoff"
><regis.gronoff@saddamifrance.com> wrote:
>
>>If you can put your hands on the return South Africa vs. New Zealand
>>Tri-Nation match of last month, you'll understand what I'm talking about.
>
>Try watching some American Football then you might have a clue what
>you are talking about. Armour is absolutely essential as even with it
>there are probably more injuries than in Rugby.

I'm not particularly interested in rugby either, but I'm sure he's
going to give you the argument that many of the injuries in American
football are CAUSED because of the armour.

David