Master Mixing

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Which version of SF are you using? From my experience w/ SF, there are
only 2 tracks as it is a wave editing program.
Kirk
"Marc" <warpdrive2000@cox.net> wrote in message
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> I'm trying to master directly to Sound Forge from Sonar. I use a Tascam
> DM-24 console and a MOTU 2408 interface via TDIF with the latest software
> update from MOTU. I'm working in Windows XP and for some reason, I can't
> get a SPDIF signal from the MOTU into Sound Forge (but if I do it's only
> tracks 1 & 2.) I'm trying to bet a main bus mix. Would you guys have a
> solution? Otherwise we just keep mastering to a DAT, then dump SPDIF into
> Sound Forge from the DAT and it's too time consuming. Thanks.
>
> Marc
>
>

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"Marc" <warpdrive2000@cox.net> wrote in message
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> I'm trying to master directly to Sound Forge from Sonar. I use a Tascam
> DM-24 console and a MOTU 2408 interface via TDIF with the latest software
> update from MOTU. I'm working in Windows XP and for some reason, I can't
> get a SPDIF signal from the MOTU into Sound Forge (but if I do it's only
> tracks 1 & 2.) I'm trying to bet a main bus mix. Would you guys have a
> solution? Otherwise we just keep mastering to a DAT, then dump SPDIF into
> Sound Forge from the DAT and it's too time consuming. Thanks.

You are trying to play it out of Sonar, back out through the Tascam, and
then back into Soundforge? Why?

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Marc wrote:

> I'm playing multitrack from Sonar, playing back through my MOTU where I need
> to get the "mixed" stereo wave (mixed on my DM 24) out of the MOTU and into
> SF 4.0. Both softwares are running simaltaneously in Win XP. Mabye my DM
> 24 has a SPDIF I/O? I need to check. That might work.

The essence of his question is that since you could do a complete
mixdown completely within Sonar, why are you trying to do it the way you
are?

Sometimes it's easier to help if one can understand _why_ someone is
doing what they're doing. If you said you were coming out of Sonar into
a decent analog board, then we'd know why you were doing it, whether or
not any one of us agreed about the benefits or detriments of that
approach. But coming out of a DAW to mix in a digital console and then
get back into the Wave editor is a confuserational kinda thing.

--
ha

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"Ricky Hunt" <rhunt22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Marc" <warpdrive2000@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:k%5Ud.22959$Tt.14564@fed1read05...
> > I'm playing multitrack from Sonar, playing back through my MOTU where I
> > need to get the "mixed" stereo wave (mixed on my DM 24) out of the MOTU
> > and into SF 4.0. Both softwares are running simaltaneously in Win XP.
> > Mabye my DM 24 has a SPDIF I/O? I need to check. That might work.
>
> So you are sending multiple channels (not just the stereo mix) to the DM24
> and mixing on the DM24 (and I'm assuming EQ'ing and adding effects from
the
> DM24) and want to capture the output of the DM24 as a stereo file with
> Soundforge? '

I hope that's what he's tryin to do. I'm f'n confused<g>


Poly

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geoff ,

I want to be able to use my automated hardware console, the DM24 to do the
mixing of all my multitrack sonar outputs in real time and record the stereo
output (from the mix) to sound forge via the same MOTU interface. It this
possible? How do you guys master multitrack on a DAW?

I used to use a function in cool edit pro that would "mix" all the waves
in the multitrack queue, but it was a one button operation that digitally
merged the files together at set levels, thus not giving me any control over
the mix. I'm not looking for a function to do that sort of thing. Thanks


Marc
Warp Drive Productions
http://warpdriveprod.com/pro_audio_store.htm



"Geoff Wood" <geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message
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>
> "Marc" <warpdrive2000@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:k%5Ud.22959$Tt.14564@fed1read05...
>> I'm playing multitrack from Sonar, playing back through my MOTU where I
>> need to get the "mixed" stereo wave (mixed on my DM 24) out of the MOTU
>> and into SF 4.0. Both softwares are running simaltaneously in Win XP.
>> Mabye my DM 24 has a SPDIF I/O? I need to check. That might work.
>
>
> But why ? Why not just render the Sonar project to a stereo wav file (
> mixing is basic functionality of all multitrack software) instead of using
> the DM24, then load that file into SF directly ? Or are you desparate to
> use outboard mixer and FX ?
>
> geoff
>

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In article <03CUd.28843$Tt.15109@fed1read05> warpdrive2000@cox.net writes:

> I want to be able to use my automated hardware console, the DM24 to do the
> mixing of all my multitrack sonar outputs in real time and record the stereo
> output (from the mix) to sound forge via the same MOTU interface. It this
> possible? How do you guys master multitrack on a DAW?

Well, obviously you have to run both programs at the same time, which
may be tricky since they're sharing the same hardware audio interface.
I dunno. But you could mix back to a couple more tracks in Sonar, then
transfer those tracks to Sound Forge if you want to use that for final
tweaking and CD burning.

> I used to use a function in cool edit pro that would "mix" all the waves
> in the multitrack queue, but it was a one button operation that digitally
> merged the files together at set levels, thus not giving me any control over
> the mix.

The idea of this sort of mixing is that you DO control the mix, but
you do it by writing volume automation on the tracks, either static or
dynamic (whatever the song calls for, probably both). When you get it
so that you can just push the PLAY button and you don't think the mix
needs any more adjustment, then you push the button to mix the tracks
(as you hear them) to a new stereo track. But unless you use your DM24
as a control surface for the Sonar mixer (which I'm sure is possible)
you don't have the hands-on control this way.


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It seems to me that around $375 bucks these days will build you a nice Intel
based PC, add a good digital only soundcard and you could share the monitor,
keyboard and mouse.... then mix through the digital desk with this secondary
box hooked up as a 2-track machine. Voila'! A dedicated editing and premastering
station with Sound Forge and CD Architect. No hardware or software conflicts.

--
David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
_______________________________________
http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com




"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message news:znr1109595475k@trad...
>
> In article <03CUd.28843$Tt.15109@fed1read05> warpdrive2000@cox.net writes:
>
> > I want to be able to use my automated hardware console, the DM24 to do the
> > mixing of all my multitrack sonar outputs in real time and record the stereo
> > output (from the mix) to sound forge via the same MOTU interface. It this
> > possible? How do you guys master multitrack on a DAW?
>
> Well, obviously you have to run both programs at the same time, which
> may be tricky since they're sharing the same hardware audio interface.
> I dunno. But you could mix back to a couple more tracks in Sonar, then
> transfer those tracks to Sound Forge if you want to use that for final
> tweaking and CD burning.
>
> > I used to use a function in cool edit pro that would "mix" all the waves
> > in the multitrack queue, but it was a one button operation that digitally
> > merged the files together at set levels, thus not giving me any control over
> > the mix.
>
> The idea of this sort of mixing is that you DO control the mix, but
> you do it by writing volume automation on the tracks, either static or
> dynamic (whatever the song calls for, probably both). When you get it
> so that you can just push the PLAY button and you don't think the mix
> needs any more adjustment, then you push the button to mix the tracks
> (as you hear them) to a new stereo track. But unless you use your DM24
> as a control surface for the Sonar mixer (which I'm sure is possible)
> you don't have the hands-on control this way.
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo