SB Live vs US-122 vs 1010LT

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I'm using a neumann TLM-103 mic. The output is hot enough to slightly
overpower the input preamp of a TEAC 1A mixer (with onboard pads on)
feeding my SoundBlaster Live card. Don't know if the tracks I'm
slightly unhappy with (hollow mids) are result of the 1A being
overdriven or the SB card's stinky A>D. 3 questions:

1) Will the US-122 or M-audio 1010LT preamps handle the mic's output
directly without additional pads?
2) Can I expect a significant sound improvement at all using either the
122 or 1010 vs. the SB's A>D?
3) Which pre of the 2 (122 or 1010) sounds best?

(Dell Pentium III 1 ghz, XP, ATA-100 80g drive)

(I do understand the 122 is USB, the 1010 is PCI, and other distinct
features of each unit - I'm looking for best sound quality under 300
bucks).
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    <deletetoLASTCAPrandy@suchys.com> wrote in message
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    > I'm using a neumann TLM-103 mic. The output is hot enough to slightly
    > overpower the input preamp of a TEAC 1A mixer (with onboard pads on)
    > feeding my SoundBlaster Live card. Don't know if the tracks I'm
    > slightly unhappy with (hollow mids) are result of the 1A being
    > overdriven or the SB card's stinky A>D. 3 questions:
    >
    > 1) Will the US-122 or M-audio 1010LT preamps handle the mic's output
    > directly without additional pads?
    > 2) Can I expect a significant sound improvement at all using either the
    > 122 or 1010 vs. the SB's A>D?
    > 3) Which pre of the 2 (122 or 1010) sounds best?
    >
    > (Dell Pentium III 1 ghz, XP, ATA-100 80g drive)
    >
    > (I do understand the 122 is USB, the 1010 is PCI, and other distinct
    > features of each unit - I'm looking for best sound quality under 300
    > bucks).
    >

    1. yes for the 1010, never used a us-122
    2. most definitely for the 1010. i went from a sb live card to the m-audio
    2496 years ago and it opened new worlds, the 1010 is it's sonic equal with
    more ins and outs (and it even has two balanced ins and pre's) although i
    always use outboard pre's.

    also with the 1010 you can record at 24 bits/96 khz, another huge leap...
    HTH
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    > Note: M-Audio 1010 mic inputs have no phantom power.

    DANG! Looks like 2496 and other M-audio cards are without phantom.
    Next question... Is there an inexpensive way to supply phantom power
    using the M-audio line of cards?
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    <deletetoLASTCAPrandy@suchys.com> wrote in message
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    > > Note: M-Audio 1010 mic inputs have no phantom power.
    >
    > DANG! Looks like 2496 and other M-audio cards are without phantom.
    > Next question... Is there an inexpensive way to supply phantom power
    > using the M-audio line of cards?
    >

    there are some small boards that are cheaper than most pre's. i have a
    little behringer and IMO the pre's sound better than my blue-tube. i would
    double check on the 1010 though...there are two xlr inputs (in addition to
    the 6 other rca ins). those two probably have pp...
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    <deletetoLASTCAPrandy@suchys.com> wrote in message
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    > I'm using a neumann TLM-103 mic. The output is hot enough to slightly
    > overpower the input preamp of a TEAC 1A mixer (with onboard pads on)
    > feeding my SoundBlaster Live card. Don't know if the tracks I'm
    > slightly unhappy with (hollow mids) are result of the 1A being
    > overdriven or the SB card's stinky A>D. 3 questions:
    >
    > 1) Will the US-122 or M-audio 1010LT preamps handle the mic's output
    > directly without additional pads?

    Note: M-Audio 1010 mic inputs have no phantom power.

    Note: You can always jumper the mic inputs of a 1010LT for 40 dB less gain.

    > 2) Can I expect a significant sound improvement at all using either
    > the 122 or 1010 vs. the SB's A>D?

    Compared to an original SB Live!? Yes.
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    "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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    > <deletetoLASTCAPrandy@suchys.com> wrote in message
    > news:1109634781.030874.92690@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
    > > I'm using a neumann TLM-103 mic. The output is hot enough to slightly
    > > overpower the input preamp of a TEAC 1A mixer (with onboard pads on)
    > > feeding my SoundBlaster Live card. Don't know if the tracks I'm
    > > slightly unhappy with (hollow mids) are result of the 1A being
    > > overdriven or the SB card's stinky A>D. 3 questions:
    > >
    > > 1) Will the US-122 or M-audio 1010LT preamps handle the mic's output
    > > directly without additional pads?
    >
    > Note: M-Audio 1010 mic inputs have no phantom power.
    >
    > Note: You can always jumper the mic inputs of a 1010LT for 40 dB less
    gain.
    >
    > > 2) Can I expect a significant sound improvement at all using either
    > > the 122 or 1010 vs. the SB's A>D?
    >
    > Compared to an original SB Live!? Yes.
    >
    >
    >

    the writeup on musiciansfriend saysthe 1010PCI has mic pre's but i never
    tried to use them. i wonder...my bad if they dont!
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    <deletetoLASTCAPrandy@suchys.com> wrote in message
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    >> Note: M-Audio 1010 mic inputs have no phantom power.
    >
    > DANG! Looks like 2496 and other M-audio cards are without phantom.
    > Next question... Is there an inexpensive way to supply phantom power
    > using the M-audio line of cards?

    There are separate phantom power supplies such as those sold by Audio
    Technica. I have their 4-mic phantom box that I've used with some Benchmark
    Media mic preamps. But, with the Delta 1010LT there are only two channels
    with mic preamps.

    However, for less money (and probably less quality but still good enough for
    many applications) you can do some useful things with low end mixing
    consoles. The trick is to pick one that has either direct outs or insert
    points. The direct outs will drive the line-level inputs of a computer audio
    interface just fine. Insert points are a little trickier, but not a
    stumbling block. I find that a mixing console is a nice tool for setting
    levels and monitoring, even though my recordings aren't mixed while I'm
    tracking.
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    In article <1109634781.030874.92690@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> deletetoLASTCAPrandy@suchys.com writes:

    > (I do understand the 122 is USB, the 1010 is PCI, and other distinct
    > features of each unit - I'm looking for best sound quality under 300
    > bucks).

    Among those three, there isn't going to be a significant difference in
    "sound quality." They might sound different but who's to say which one
    is best? Only you. Don't worry about it. Buy for the features - and
    that doesn't mean buy the one with the most features, it means buy the
    one with the features that you need. Study them carefully, and think
    really hard about how you're going to be working. It'll sort out.

    As far as the mic overloading the preamp, don't worry about it. Well,
    worry about it, but don't let it influence your choice of input
    devices. You can buy an in-line pad for $20 that will take care of
    that problem if you indeed have it.


    --
    I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
    However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
    lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
    you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
    and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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    U¿ytkownik "greggery peccary" <.@.> napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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    > i would
    > double check on the 1010 though...there are two xlr inputs (in addition to
    > the 6 other rca ins). those two probably have pp...
    >
    >

    * There is no phantom for sure on this cards.

    Kisses.
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    "hefalump" <hefalumpikWYTNIJ@TOgazeta.pl> wrote in message
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    >
    > U¿ytkownik "greggery peccary" <.@.> napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
    > news:d014co$2vk$1@gnus01.u.washington.edu...
    > > i would
    > > double check on the 1010 though...there are two xlr inputs (in addition
    to
    > > the 6 other rca ins). those two probably have pp...
    > >
    > >
    >
    > * There is no phantom for sure on this cards.
    >
    > Kisses.
    >
    >
    hefalump is right. i just looked at the manual and there are jumper settings
    for db boost but no pp. my bad.
    (i'd kiss you back but i saw the crying game *barf*)
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    deletetoLASTCAPrandy@suchys.com wrote:

    > 1) Will the US-122 or M-audio 1010LT preamps handle the mic's output
    > directly without additional pads?
    > 2) Can I expect a significant sound improvement at all using either the
    > 122 or 1010 vs. the SB's A>D?
    > 3) Which pre of the 2 (122 or 1010) sounds best?

    Haven't tried 1010, but I have US-122 and it sounds very good. And it
    also has phantom power.

    AND - it's very comfortable to use it because it needs only one USB
    cable and no outer power sources.

    Sven
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