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Anonymous
February 28, 2005 6:53:01 PM

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I'm using a neumann TLM-103 mic. The output is hot enough to slightly
overpower the input preamp of a TEAC 1A mixer (with onboard pads on)
feeding my SoundBlaster Live card. Don't know if the tracks I'm
slightly unhappy with (hollow mids) are result of the 1A being
overdriven or the SB card's stinky A>D. 3 questions:

1) Will the US-122 or M-audio 1010LT preamps handle the mic's output
directly without additional pads?
2) Can I expect a significant sound improvement at all using either the
122 or 1010 vs. the SB's A>D?
3) Which pre of the 2 (122 or 1010) sounds best?

(Dell Pentium III 1 ghz, XP, ATA-100 80g drive)

(I do understand the 122 is USB, the 1010 is PCI, and other distinct
features of each unit - I'm looking for best sound quality under 300
bucks).

More about : live 122 1010lt

Anonymous
February 28, 2005 11:46:34 PM

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<deletetoLASTCAPrandy@suchys.com> wrote in message
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> I'm using a neumann TLM-103 mic. The output is hot enough to slightly
> overpower the input preamp of a TEAC 1A mixer (with onboard pads on)
> feeding my SoundBlaster Live card. Don't know if the tracks I'm
> slightly unhappy with (hollow mids) are result of the 1A being
> overdriven or the SB card's stinky A>D. 3 questions:
>
> 1) Will the US-122 or M-audio 1010LT preamps handle the mic's output
> directly without additional pads?
> 2) Can I expect a significant sound improvement at all using either the
> 122 or 1010 vs. the SB's A>D?
> 3) Which pre of the 2 (122 or 1010) sounds best?
>
> (Dell Pentium III 1 ghz, XP, ATA-100 80g drive)
>
> (I do understand the 122 is USB, the 1010 is PCI, and other distinct
> features of each unit - I'm looking for best sound quality under 300
> bucks).
>

1. yes for the 1010, never used a us-122
2. most definitely for the 1010. i went from a sb live card to the m-audio
2496 years ago and it opened new worlds, the 1010 is it's sonic equal with
more ins and outs (and it even has two balanced ins and pre's) although i
always use outboard pre's.

also with the 1010 you can record at 24 bits/96 khz, another huge leap...
HTH
Anonymous
March 1, 2005 12:50:36 AM

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> Note: M-Audio 1010 mic inputs have no phantom power.

DANG! Looks like 2496 and other M-audio cards are without phantom.
Next question... Is there an inexpensive way to supply phantom power
using the M-audio line of cards?
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Anonymous
March 1, 2005 2:06:05 AM

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<deletetoLASTCAPrandy@suchys.com> wrote in message
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> > Note: M-Audio 1010 mic inputs have no phantom power.
>
> DANG! Looks like 2496 and other M-audio cards are without phantom.
> Next question... Is there an inexpensive way to supply phantom power
> using the M-audio line of cards?
>

there are some small boards that are cheaper than most pre's. i have a
little behringer and IMO the pre's sound better than my blue-tube. i would
double check on the 1010 though...there are two xlr inputs (in addition to
the 6 other rca ins). those two probably have pp...
Anonymous
March 1, 2005 2:55:36 AM

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<deletetoLASTCAPrandy@suchys.com> wrote in message
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> I'm using a neumann TLM-103 mic. The output is hot enough to slightly
> overpower the input preamp of a TEAC 1A mixer (with onboard pads on)
> feeding my SoundBlaster Live card. Don't know if the tracks I'm
> slightly unhappy with (hollow mids) are result of the 1A being
> overdriven or the SB card's stinky A>D. 3 questions:
>
> 1) Will the US-122 or M-audio 1010LT preamps handle the mic's output
> directly without additional pads?

Note: M-Audio 1010 mic inputs have no phantom power.

Note: You can always jumper the mic inputs of a 1010LT for 40 dB less gain.

> 2) Can I expect a significant sound improvement at all using either
> the 122 or 1010 vs. the SB's A>D?

Compared to an original SB Live!? Yes.
Anonymous
March 1, 2005 2:55:37 AM

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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> <deletetoLASTCAPrandy@suchys.com> wrote in message
> news:1109634781.030874.92690@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com
> > I'm using a neumann TLM-103 mic. The output is hot enough to slightly
> > overpower the input preamp of a TEAC 1A mixer (with onboard pads on)
> > feeding my SoundBlaster Live card. Don't know if the tracks I'm
> > slightly unhappy with (hollow mids) are result of the 1A being
> > overdriven or the SB card's stinky A>D. 3 questions:
> >
> > 1) Will the US-122 or M-audio 1010LT preamps handle the mic's output
> > directly without additional pads?
>
> Note: M-Audio 1010 mic inputs have no phantom power.
>
> Note: You can always jumper the mic inputs of a 1010LT for 40 dB less
gain.
>
> > 2) Can I expect a significant sound improvement at all using either
> > the 122 or 1010 vs. the SB's A>D?
>
> Compared to an original SB Live!? Yes.
>
>
>

the writeup on musiciansfriend saysthe 1010PCI has mic pre's but i never
tried to use them. i wonder...my bad if they dont!
Anonymous
March 1, 2005 8:59:41 AM

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<deletetoLASTCAPrandy@suchys.com> wrote in message
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>> Note: M-Audio 1010 mic inputs have no phantom power.
>
> DANG! Looks like 2496 and other M-audio cards are without phantom.
> Next question... Is there an inexpensive way to supply phantom power
> using the M-audio line of cards?

There are separate phantom power supplies such as those sold by Audio
Technica. I have their 4-mic phantom box that I've used with some Benchmark
Media mic preamps. But, with the Delta 1010LT there are only two channels
with mic preamps.

However, for less money (and probably less quality but still good enough for
many applications) you can do some useful things with low end mixing
consoles. The trick is to pick one that has either direct outs or insert
points. The direct outs will drive the line-level inputs of a computer audio
interface just fine. Insert points are a little trickier, but not a
stumbling block. I find that a mixing console is a nice tool for setting
levels and monitoring, even though my recordings aren't mixed while I'm
tracking.
Anonymous
March 1, 2005 10:24:21 AM

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In article <1109634781.030874.92690@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> deletetoLASTCAPrandy@suchys.com writes:

> (I do understand the 122 is USB, the 1010 is PCI, and other distinct
> features of each unit - I'm looking for best sound quality under 300
> bucks).

Among those three, there isn't going to be a significant difference in
"sound quality." They might sound different but who's to say which one
is best? Only you. Don't worry about it. Buy for the features - and
that doesn't mean buy the one with the most features, it means buy the
one with the features that you need. Study them carefully, and think
really hard about how you're going to be working. It'll sort out.

As far as the mic overloading the preamp, don't worry about it. Well,
worry about it, but don't let it influence your choice of input
devices. You can buy an in-line pad for $20 that will take care of
that problem if you indeed have it.



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Anonymous
March 1, 2005 12:03:26 PM

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U¿ytkownik "greggery peccary" <.@.> napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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> i would
> double check on the 1010 though...there are two xlr inputs (in addition to
> the 6 other rca ins). those two probably have pp...
>
>

* There is no phantom for sure on this cards.

Kisses.
Anonymous
March 1, 2005 1:37:41 PM

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"hefalump" <hefalumpikWYTNIJ@TOgazeta.pl> wrote in message
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>
> U¿ytkownik "greggery peccary" <.@.> napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
> news:D 014co$2vk$1@gnus01.u.washington.edu...
> > i would
> > double check on the 1010 though...there are two xlr inputs (in addition
to
> > the 6 other rca ins). those two probably have pp...
> >
> >
>
> * There is no phantom for sure on this cards.
>
> Kisses.
>
>
hefalump is right. i just looked at the manual and there are jumper settings
for db boost but no pp. my bad.
(i'd kiss you back but i saw the crying game *barf*)
Anonymous
March 2, 2005 8:58:25 PM

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deletetoLASTCAPrandy@suchys.com wrote:

> 1) Will the US-122 or M-audio 1010LT preamps handle the mic's output
> directly without additional pads?
> 2) Can I expect a significant sound improvement at all using either the
> 122 or 1010 vs. the SB's A>D?
> 3) Which pre of the 2 (122 or 1010) sounds best?

Haven't tried 1010, but I have US-122 and it sounds very good. And it
also has phantom power.

AND - it's very comfortable to use it because it needs only one USB
cable and no outer power sources.

Sven
!