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Hi folks -

Quick question for everyone. I'm in the middle of designing a thin
bodied acoustic electric bass (think of a bass Chet Atkins SST), and
I've got a B-band pickup and preamp to put in it.

How should I modify the preamp to be more bass biased than guitar
biased?

I'm guessing the frequency choices of the bass and treble controls
will have been geared towards making guitars sound good, rather than
the frequencies a bass generates.

If I'm remembering my trusty Craig Anderton book right, I should
double the value of the capacitors for the controls to hit the right
frequencies for bass (or is it resistors?).

Or should I just leave the preamp like it is and see how it sounds
first? I've got two more, should I screw one up... :-)

Thanks -
jtougas

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> Or should I just leave the preamp like it is and see how it sounds
> first?

Always a wise first choice.

Then go a step at a time... try larger caps to move the EQ down, probably a
good idea to first search out some info on the type of EQ circuit they have
so you understand it.

miker

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jtougas wrote:

> I'm in the middle of designing a thin
> bodied acoustic electric bass (think of a bass Chet Atkins SST), and
> I've got a B-band pickup and preamp to put in it.

I wouldn't bother with teh B-band. I'd buy a K&K, which even without a
rpeamp, kicks butt on all the undersaddle pickups I've heard. YMMV

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ha

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On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:15:29 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
wrote:

>jtougas wrote:
>
>> I'm in the middle of designing a thin
>> bodied acoustic electric bass (think of a bass Chet Atkins SST), and
>> I've got a B-band pickup and preamp to put in it.
>
>I wouldn't bother with teh B-band. I'd buy a K&K, which even without a
>rpeamp, kicks butt on all the undersaddle pickups I've heard. YMMV

Problem is, I'm not expecting a lot of body volume out of this thing,
since it'll only be about 2 inches thick, with an interior depth of
about 1 1/2 inches or so, and a interior beam running the length of
the body to provide strength and weight balance against the neck.

So I won't really have a place to put soundboard transducers
underneath the bridge. An undersaddle transducer is my best bet.


jtougas

listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go

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jtougas wrote:
> Hi folks -
>
> Quick question for everyone. I'm in the middle of designing a
> thin bodied acoustic electric bass (think of a bass Chet Atkins
> SST), and I've got a B-band pickup and preamp to put in it.
>
> How should I modify the preamp to be more bass biased than guitar
> biased?

David Enke at www.pick-uptheworld.com
has done a lot of experimenting with
applying transducers to instruments
besides the traditional guitar
pickups.

Phone him and he'll chat with you
for days about pickups and he'll even
recommend something that's not his product
if he doesn't think his will do the job.

He builds a discrete FET preamp with an
incredibly wide freq response.


Lumpy
--
In Your Ears for 40 Years
http://www.lumpymusic.com

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In article <g75i21thei2v8noisiodtfgeg6e89vij34@4ax.com> jatougas@charter.net writes:

> >> I'm in the middle of designing a thin
> >> bodied acoustic electric bass (think of a bass Chet Atkins SST)

> Problem is, I'm not expecting a lot of body volume out of this thing,
> since it'll only be about 2 inches thick, with an interior depth of
> about 1 1/2 inches or so, and a interior beam running the length of
> the body to provide strength and weight balance against the neck.
>
> So I won't really have a place to put soundboard transducers
> underneath the bridge. An undersaddle transducer is my best bet.

I think your bass isn't going to work very well, but that shouldn't
stop you from trying. I don't build basses so I can't be sure. But
understand that EQ isn't going to put something there that doesn't
come from the bass. I'd take as flat an output as you can get from the
bass preamp, run it into an amplifier or mixer or outboard equalizer
that has "tone controls" and see what you can do with it. If you find
the sound you like, then figure out how to build that frequency
response into the preamp that you ultimately install in the bass.

And if you find that no matter how much you boost any frequency, it
still sounds like a 2x4 with rubber bands only louder, then you'll
have learned something about acoustic instrument construction.


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On 5 Mar 2005 09:59:37 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) wrote:

>I think your bass isn't going to work very well, but that shouldn't
>stop you from trying.

Given the physics of it, I don't expect it to sound like a full
upright bass (or, for that matter, a full bodied acoustic bass). But I
do think it'll at least sound enough like an acoustic bass to get away
with it onstage.

The approach I'm using is much the same as the Godin basses and
guitars (and Rick Turner's Renaissance instruments, as well) which
(with the right tweaking) sound great on stage.


jtougas

listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go

e.e. cummings

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On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 00:59:52 -0700, "Lumpy"
<lumpy@digitalcartography.com> wrote:

>jtougas wrote:
>> Hi folks -
>>
>> Quick question for everyone. I'm in the middle of designing a
>> thin bodied acoustic electric bass (think of a bass Chet Atkins
>> SST), and I've got a B-band pickup and preamp to put in it.
>>
>> How should I modify the preamp to be more bass biased than guitar
>> biased?
>
>David Enke at www.pick-uptheworld.com
>has done a lot of experimenting with
>applying transducers to instruments
>besides the traditional guitar
>pickups.

I talked to David when I first started designing this series of
insruments (I'm planning a giutar to match, as well as one based on
the Fender 6, an odd hybrid). He gave me some very good advice, but I
decided against using his pickups (mostly on the basis of money; I got
three B-band preamps cheap).

Still, the Pick up the World designs are high on my list to try for
future projects.

jtougas

listen- there's a hell of a good universe next door
let's go

e.e. cummings

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