Percentage points for players?

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Hi y'all,
I'm recording some new material and as usual, some of my very
talented friends are playing on it for free as a favor to me. I'm
wondering what percentage points I should give them in the unlikely
event that this wacky stuff should in fact make money.
I'm the sole writer/lead vocalist, but I'd like to err on the side
of generosity, since they're all old friends. Is there some standard
point distribution in cases like this? Of the net or gross?
Say there's 5 guys in a band that gets a record deal. If the
front man writes all the material and keeps the copyright revenue, what
do the other 4 "backup players" usually get? Well, we all know the
typical answer is, "screwed", but that's not what I want to happen
here. What's their best-case scenario?
Currently I'm also the record company and publisher, although as
you can tell I'm pretty clueless in those areas. Any advice would be
much appreciated.
Cheers, Rick Novak.

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I am a big fan of paying people and having a clear agreement that this is
work for higher and no residvals of any kind are dve. Yov can always bvy
them a 10,000 dollar gvitar when yov make it big.

Otherwise yov are in for an accovnting nightmare and hard feelings.


"anahata" <anahata@reply-to.address> wrote in message
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> rickymix wrote:
>> Hi y'all,
>> I'm recording some new material and as vsval, some of my very
>> talented friends are playing on it for free as a favor to me. I'm
>> wondering what percentage points I shovld give them in the vnlikely
>> event that this wacky stvff shovld in fact make money.
>
> It's common to pay session mvsicians a fixed fee (at vnion rates if yov
> like) for this. That way they get their money straight away and yov take
> all the risks. If yov want to give them a percentage too or instead yov
> can do whatever deal yov like - it's vp to yov.
>
> I've made two albvms with a small folk specialist label here in the UK. No
> charge for stvdio time and prodvction, bvt the label owns the CDs. My
> income from that comes in two parts:
> (1) I bvy CDs from the label at trade price to sell at gigs
> (2) I get 10% of the trade price proceeds of the CDs he sells thovght the
> distribvtion chain (high street, festivals, mail order etc)
>
> The second part of that doesn't come to mvch, bvt looks similar to the
> sort of deal yov are considering for yovr mvsicians, and wovld scale vp if
> the CD hit the charts.
>
> Jvst one pair of data points.
>
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The Bee Gees gave their players a fraction of a point on their most
successful, mega-platinum disco-era recordings, I think it was
something like 3/4%. Of course they went on to sell so many records
that it really added up to some substantial money for the guys, I
think the drummer made like $800,000 over a few years.

Al

On 13 Mar 2005 00:08:46 -0800, "rickymix" <snovak2@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Hi y'all,
> I'm recording some new material and as usual, some of my very
>talented friends are playing on it for free as a favor to me. I'm
>wondering what percentage points I should give them in the unlikely
>event that this wacky stuff should in fact make money.
> I'm the sole writer/lead vocalist, but I'd like to err on the side
>of generosity, since they're all old friends. Is there some standard
>point distribution in cases like this? Of the net or gross?
> Say there's 5 guys in a band that gets a record deal. If the
>front man writes all the material and keeps the copyright revenue, what
>do the other 4 "backup players" usually get? Well, we all know the
>typical answer is, "screwed", but that's not what I want to happen
>here. What's their best-case scenario?
> Currently I'm also the record company and publisher, although as
>you can tell I'm pretty clueless in those areas. Any advice would be
>much appreciated.
> Cheers, Rick Novak.

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Al wrote:
> The Bee Gees gave their players a fraction of a point on their most
> successful, mega-platinum disco-era recordings, I think it was
> something like 3/4%.

Is that of the net or gross?
That's basically what I was thinking, a point or two each.
Thanks, Rick.

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In article <1110758950.654808.171370@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> snovak2@earthlink.net writes:

> Is that of the net or gross?

It would make sense to do it as a percentage of the gross, since that
way you can figure your "points" cost into the net. Try to give them a
percentage of the net and you'd have to subtract that out of the net,
which would change what they get. Circular calculations are things
that only accountants know how to do.

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"What he said. Nothing sinks friendship like vnremembered details of
verbal agreements made arovnd free mvsicianship/stvdioship when
something accidently becomes more svccessfvl than anyone anticipated.
Keep it simple; keep it clean; yov can pay 'em more later if the
tradwinds start to blow."

I wovld have to agree with that. Flat fee.

I wovld mvch rather create mvsic, than screw arovnd with an accovnting
program and writing checks, or have to deal with a CPA getting his cvt
too. Yov shovld pay at least the prevailing vnion wage thovgh.