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Ross Ridge <rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> mcv <mcvmcv@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>>As minor turkish states, they belong in the greater Turkish empire,
>>and I'd much rather see them join voluntarily than forcibly.
>
> I'd just conquer them.
But that's too easy. And besides, I get lots of bad boy points, and I'd
like to do this peacefully for a change.
> Actually, I'd probably just ignore Crimea,
> it's often more hastle than it's worth, and it's often a thorn in the
> side of Poland/Lithuania and/or Russia.
True, it's not a big issue (I'd rather subjugate Persia, North Africa
and the Balkans), but I've never made a new vassal, and it is an
aspect of the game, so it should be possible and I'd like to do it.
Besides, it just seems appropriate from a role-playing point of view;
they're Turkish, I'm Turkey, so we belong together.
> On the other hand Astrakhan's
> center of trade should be your top priority once you've gotten Asia
> minor under control.
There's no center of trade in Astrakhan. At least not in the grand campaign.
There is a gold area in Samara, just across their border with the Golden
Horde.
>>Still, Oman managed to get all of north Africa as vassal (I don't think
>>it started with them as vassals), while I didn't succeed with repeated
>>attempts with Crimea and Astrakhan.
>
> If that includes the Mamuluks, that's suprising,
No, I've already annexed them. Taking over the Mamluks was my first
priority. I've also annexed Iraq, but only after Iraq somehow managed
to annex my former ally (I forgot the name; it's located between the
Mamluks and Aden). I think at some point that former ally was a vassal
of Iraq and Iraq annexed it as soon as possible. No idea how Iraq
managed to do that. It's possible that it was conquered, but I think
I would have been drawn into that war and noticed it.
In any case, Oman has also annexed Aden, although that may have been
conquest too.
> but Oman can sometimes
> turn itself into a major player. It likely though that at least of some
> of those vassals were aquired through conquest.
Is it possible to vassalize through conquest? I thought you could only
convert or annex them. In any case, Oman doesn't border on North Africa,
so I don't think it can have been conquest.
> However, so long as Oman
> doesn't end up annexing all those countries, it's actually a good thing.
> Vassalation hurts the vassal more than it benefits the owning country.
I didn't know that.
> You'll find it much easier to conquer the vassals now, and Oman won't
> be that much more of a threat, if it even bothers opposing you.
Actually, I was thinking of conquering Oman (I've already conquered
Yemen and Al Kharam), but if that would free Oman's vassals, that
would mean I'd first be fighting a rich Oman, and by the time I'm
conquering his vassals, they have their income back again.
> btw. you'll find it difficult to annex Oman through conquest. Oman
> controls Zanzibar, an island down the east cost of Africa, and probably
> has a few colonies along the costs Africa and India. You'll want
> to annex Iraq and grab Basra from whoever controls it, if not Iraq.
I've already annexed Iraq, and I also have a small fleet in the Red Sea.
I don't think Oman has any colonies, because it has no exploration info
I don't already have as well. (We've shared it long ago.) I know Zanzibar's
location, and I actually have a trading post nearby (in Mombasa). It got
burned down in our recent war, but I've rebuilt it again.
mcv.
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