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Anonymous
a b F Wireless
February 24, 2005 6:49:16 PM

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Just noticed this new PR from SPCS. I won't reprint the article, but for
those who do travel internationally on a regular basis, this new phone may
be of interest to you.

http://tinyurl.com/48lnb

Bob
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
February 25, 2005 12:56:43 AM

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Bob Smith wrote:
> Just noticed this new PR from SPCS. I won't reprint the article, but for
> those who do travel internationally on a regular basis, this new phone may
> be of interest to you.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/48lnb

Old news - the phone, not that Sprint is carrying it. The Samsung IP-790 is
most likely the same Samsung SCH-A790 that Verizon already sells, that runs on
US CDMA frequencies and European GSM frequencies (and has no analog).

Still, it's good to see Sprint carrying it. Gives Sprint customers an option if
they want to roam internationally.

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Anonymous
a b F Wireless
February 26, 2005 2:59:06 AM

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Actually acording to Sprintpcsinfo.com, the phone is being given away to the
oscars people and then it might be sold as well, my question is why the hell
sprint wouldn't make it gsm quad band or tri band.


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> Bob Smith wrote:
>> Just noticed this new PR from SPCS. I won't reprint the article, but for
>> those who do travel internationally on a regular basis, this new phone
>> may
>> be of interest to you.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/48lnb
>
> Old news - the phone, not that Sprint is carrying it. The Samsung IP-790
> is most likely the same Samsung SCH-A790 that Verizon already sells, that
> runs on US CDMA frequencies and European GSM frequencies (and has no
> analog).
>
> Still, it's good to see Sprint carrying it. Gives Sprint customers an
> option if they want to roam internationally.
>
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>
> "In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor
> Valley is the sun." -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large
> amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
February 26, 2005 11:36:13 AM

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Capn wrote:
> Actually acording to Sprintpcsinfo.com, the phone is being given away to the
> oscars people and then it might be sold as well, my question is why the hell
> sprint wouldn't make it gsm quad band or tri band.

My guesses:

a) there is no analog in Europe and many other places, just GSM and/or CDMA

b) Sprint's all digital, Verizon has no analog-only coverage anymore, and
neither has an overriding need for AMPS phones; they both sell digital-only
handsets. The Verizon 790 doesn't have analog either

c) (and I believe this to be the number one reason) there wasn't a way to fit
analog AND dual-band GSM AND dual-band CDMA all into one phone...

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Anonymous
a b F Wireless
February 26, 2005 2:57:01 PM

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I'm not sure I understand your question. The Sprint PCS web site
states "Digital quad-band operates on both CDMA and GSM networks".
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
February 26, 2005 2:57:02 PM

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Jerome Zelinske wrote:
> I'm not sure I understand your question. The Sprint PCS web site
> states "Digital quad-band operates on both CDMA and GSM networks".

he was asking why couldn't it do AMPS too

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Anonymous
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February 27, 2005 1:31:09 PM

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Steve Sobol wrote:
> Jerome Zelinske wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure I understand your question. The Sprint PCS web site
>> states "Digital quad-band operates on both CDMA and GSM networks".
>
>
> he was asking why couldn't it do AMPS too

Probably because the US is really the only country that still uses AMPS,
and it was likely tough to engieer a phone that does all three.


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Anonymous
a b F Wireless
February 28, 2005 3:11:56 PM

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There probably is a way, but why increase the cost, size and weight?
Our phones are set to Sprint PCS only. Hopefully the next time I need
to buy a phone, Sprint PCS will have some single band phones again.
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
February 28, 2005 5:21:01 PM

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Jerome Zelinske wrote:
> There probably is a way, but why increase the cost, size and weight?
> Our phones are set to Sprint PCS only. Hopefully the next time I need
> to buy a phone, Sprint PCS will have some single band phones again.

What I AM wondering is if the the IP790 will do GSM on the US cellular
and PCS bands. The wording on the press releases and the website is
vague, but seems to suggest that for North America the phone is CDMA only.

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March 1, 2005 12:20:06 AM

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Isaiah Beard wrote:

> What I AM wondering is if the the IP790 will do GSM on the US cellular
> and PCS bands. The wording on the press releases and the website is
> vague, but seems to suggest that for North America the phone is CDMA only.

The SCH-A790 on Verizon only does European GSM and US CDMA frequencies, and I
have no reason to believe Sprint's will be different.


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Anonymous
a b F Wireless
March 1, 2005 3:45:49 PM

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Which is basically superfluous, because there are no USA gsm covered
areas that do not have CDMA coverage.
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
March 2, 2005 7:11:52 PM

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Jerome Zelinske wrote:
> Which is basically superfluous, because there are no USA gsm covered
> areas that do not have CDMA coverage.

Superfluous?

Larose Parish, LA
Cumberland County, NJ
Portales, NM and points west
Carson City, Nevada
all of Southeastern Utah

Those are some of the palces I know of where GSM coverage exists, but
CDMA does not. If the GSM carriers can cover these areas, then I think
it's worthwhile for CDMA carriers to offer such coverage, either by
covering it themselves, or offering a phone that can roam on these GSM
networks.






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Anonymous
a b F Wireless
March 5, 2005 10:01:29 PM

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"Isaiah Beard" <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com> wrote in message news:112cb0pq3rl36dd@corp.supernews.com...
> Jerome Zelinske wrote:
>> Which is basically superfluous, because there are no USA gsm covered
>> areas that do not have CDMA coverage.
>
> Superfluous?
>
> Larose Parish, LA
> Cumberland County, NJ
> Portales, NM and points west
> Carson City, Nevada
> all of Southeastern Utah
>
> Those are some of the palces I know of where GSM coverage exists, but
> CDMA does not. If the GSM carriers can cover these areas, then I think
> it's worthwhile for CDMA carriers to offer such coverage, either by
> covering it themselves, or offering a phone that can roam on these GSM
> networks.
>

If Carson City doesn't have CDMA coverage, then how was I able to make
and receive more than a dozen SPCS calls there last week?

Admittedly, I did drop back to analog roaming near the southern end of
the Carson Valley, while driving toward the Kirkwood ski area.
But Carson City and Reno have solid CDMA coverage.
Even including inside the casinos, which surprised me.
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
March 6, 2005 2:20:57 AM

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I suppose there can be exceptions, but I was under the impression that
since there are two digital formats, CDMA and gsm, and there are two
cellular licensees, A and B, that one usually went CDMA and the other
went tdma/gsm. The FCC might even have had a hand in it.
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
March 6, 2005 2:20:58 AM

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Jerome Zelinske wrote:
> I suppose there can be exceptions, but I was under the impression
> that since there are two digital formats, CDMA and gsm, and there are
> two cellular licensees, A and B, that one usually went CDMA and the
> other went tdma/gsm. The FCC might even have had a hand in it.

Ok.

Here's the deal:

** There are five digital formats. CDMA, TDMA, GSM, iDEN and i-mode.

CDMA and GSM continue to be used worldwide.

iDEN is used by Nextel and its affiliates, and Clearnet in Canada for their
"Mike" walkie-talkie service. Nextel is said to be planning to move to CDMA.

TDMA is being phased out in favor of GSM by most carriers that have used TDMA.

i-mode is in use only by one of the Japanese carriers (NTT DoCoMo, I think). I
don't know much about it and can't comment about upgrade paths to or from i-mode.

A and B band refer to analog service, not digital service.

HTH.


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Anonymous
a b F Wireless
March 6, 2005 3:21:39 AM

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The cellular (800 MHz) A and B bands refer to cellular service, both
analog and digital. Here the cellular B carrier, formerly ameritech
mobile, now cingular, went from analog only, added tdma, switched the
tdma to cdma, switched back to tdma, overlaid gsm. The cellular A
carrier, formerly cellular one, now uscellular, went from analog, then
overlaid cdma. I don't remember uscellular ever playing with tdma.
Most of verizon's cdma service is cellular, either A or B.
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
March 6, 2005 3:21:40 AM

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Jerome Zelinske wrote:
> The cellular (800 MHz) A and B bands refer to cellular service, both
> analog and digital. Here the cellular B carrier, formerly ameritech
> mobile, now cingular, went from analog only, added tdma, switched the
> tdma to cdma, switched back to tdma, overlaid gsm. The cellular A
> carrier, formerly cellular one, now uscellular, went from analog, then
> overlaid cdma. I don't remember uscellular ever playing with tdma. Most
> of verizon's cdma service is cellular, either A or B.

USCellular used to be TDMA in most cases, but is now CDMA.
Western Wireless CellularONE used to be TDMA and is now CDMA.

Dobson CellularONE, the former TDMA portions of Cingular and the networks of
what used to be AT&T Wireless all migrated from TDMA to GSM.

That covers most of the larger TDMA carriers...

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Anonymous
a b F Wireless
March 6, 2005 5:42:53 PM

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John R. Copeland wrote:


>>Superfluous?
>>
>>Larose Parish, LA
>>Cumberland County, NJ
>>Portales, NM and points west
>>Carson City, Nevada
>>all of Southeastern Utah
>>
>>Those are some of the palces I know of where GSM coverage exists, but
>>CDMA does not. If the GSM carriers can cover these areas, then I think
>>it's worthwhile for CDMA carriers to offer such coverage, either by
>>covering it themselves, or offering a phone that can roam on these GSM
>>networks.
>>
>
>
> If Carson City doesn't have CDMA coverage, then how was I able to make
> and receive more than a dozen SPCS calls there last week?
>
> Admittedly, I did drop back to analog roaming near the southern end of
> the Carson Valley,

So is it covered or not? If you're droppign to analog, I'd count that
as a no.



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Anonymous
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March 6, 2005 5:47:18 PM

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Jerome Zelinske wrote:
> I suppose there can be exceptions, but I was under the impression
> that since there are two digital formats, CDMA and gsm, and there are
> two cellular licensees, A and B, that one usually went CDMA and the
> other went tdma/gsm.

No, not always the case. In some places, both A and B licenses are GSM,
and in other isntances, both can be CDMA. And in still other cases,
there might be an A license, but no B license, or vice versa. Even
worse are places (like much of Wyoming, parts of Idaho and rural New
Mexico) where either the A or B license (or both) are analog and the
carrier has no plans to upgrade to digital anytime soon. Usually it's a
mom and pop enterprise that gets most or even all of its revenue from
roaming (sometimes to the time of $1.99 a minute via the dreaded
"cellular express" credit card roaming service).

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Anonymous
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March 7, 2005 1:56:34 AM

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"Isaiah Beard" <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com> wrote in message news:112mn9trr58m5c8@corp.supernews.com...
> John R. Copeland wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> If Carson City doesn't have CDMA coverage, then how was I able to make
>> and receive more than a dozen SPCS calls there last week?
>>
>> Admittedly, I did drop back to analog roaming near the southern end of
>> the Carson Valley,
>
> So is it covered or not? If you're droppign to analog, I'd count that
> as a no.
>
Carson City is covered.
It is in the northern end of the Carson Valley.
The edge of SPCS coverage is somewhere south of Minden,
perhaps even as far as the California border, but I'm unsure of exactly where.
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
March 12, 2005 4:02:15 AM

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Bob Smith wrote:
> Just noticed this new PR from SPCS. I won't reprint the article, but
> for those who do travel internationally on a regular basis, this new
> phone may be of interest to you.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/48lnb

Hmmm. Thanks.

I wonder if, while you were in Europe, you could take out SPCS SIM card
and replace it with a local cheapie (for local calls). Then, when you
wanted to, say, check your voice mail or call back to the US, or were
expecting a call on your "regular" number, put the SPCS card back in.

I'm planning on going to Europe in several months. I *was* going to
just leave my SPCS phone here since it would be a useless brick over
there, but this sounds interesting. But I won't want to *generally* be
paying $1.50 a minute on top of my regular Sprint PCS bill.

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