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"Mike Tschel." <Mike@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Daniel" <NotReal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Do you still have the RX-9 available to buy ? Email me at
> sivlee@yahoo.com
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>> Thanks!
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>> Daniel <
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> Daniel,
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> Yes, I have an RX-9 which came with my 3440. Here's the facts:
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> It's never really worked well from day 1 (I usually ran it in bypass)
> It 'colors' the recordings. Yes, it reduces noise alright - also reduces
> dynamics.
> My unit may be defective - like I said I rarely used it. I detested the
> sound.
> If you want it - it's an As Is sale. It's been sitting unused for over ten
> years.
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> Your best bet is try try to locate a 'working' unit. Failing that, post
> again and we can talk via private
> e-mail. My concern is selling something that I can't fully endorse. BTW,
> where are you located? The unit will need to be shipped - your cost - from
> Toronto, Canada. It's not big, but weight might be an issue.
>
> Mike T.

Hi Mike,

Thanks for letting me know about possible "issues" with the RX-9. Your
honesty is very appreciated.

Perhaps the problems stem from the unit being hooked up wrong or just being
not used right ... ? Is that possible ? Is the RX-9 beat up or is it
cosmetically fine ? Would it be possible for you to re-test properly ?

Btw, are you the original owner, still have the manual, box etc ... ??

I too am from Canada, BC to be exact so shipping may not be that bad.

Thanks!

Daniel


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"Daniel" <NotReal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike Tschel." <Mike@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "Daniel" <NotReal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >> Do you still have the RX-9 available to buy ? Email me at
> > sivlee@yahoo.com
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> >> Thanks!
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> >> Daniel <
> >
> > Daniel,
> >
> > Yes, I have an RX-9 which came with my 3440. Here's the facts:
> >
> > It's never really worked well from day 1 (I usually ran it in bypass)
> > It 'colors' the recordings. Yes, it reduces noise alright - also reduces
> > dynamics.
> > My unit may be defective - like I said I rarely used it. I detested the
> > sound.
> > If you want it - it's an As Is sale. It's been sitting unused for over
ten
> > years.
> >
> > Your best bet is try try to locate a 'working' unit. Failing that, post
> > again and we can talk via private
> > e-mail. My concern is selling something that I can't fully endorse. BTW,
> > where are you located? The unit will need to be shipped - your cost -
from
> > Toronto, Canada. It's not big, but weight might be an issue.
> >
> > Mike T.
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Thanks for letting me know about possible "issues" with the RX-9. Your
> honesty is very appreciated.<

Well, I've been 'burned' on Ebay by folks claiming 'minty this' and
'pristine that' - and while it's only happened twice, it irked me. Of
course, one man's "mint" might be another person's 'good'. Plus, everything
I said is true - and life is just plain easier when people tell the truth.

> Perhaps the problems stem from the unit being hooked up wrong or just
being
> not used right ... ? Is that possible ?<

Absolutely not. Yes, my recent posts regarding self-repair of a Uher tape
machine make me look like a technofeeb. This is not the case here as the
hook-up is very straight forward. Also, the off / encode / decode switches
are foolproof. Plus, I had the manual. I was mainly referring to the noise
reduction being far too extreme when engaged and problems with one of the
channels going into 'self bypass'. (The LED's would go from Green to red
for no reason and I had to re-seat the boards several times to make it
stop.)

>Is the RX-9 beat up or is it
> cosmetically fine ? Would it be possible for you to re-test properly ?<

Cosmetically - it's dusty, but it's never left my rack. As for testing it
again, that would be a big hassle, but it *could* be done I guess. Like I
said, I seldom used it - so I'd need to record some new material on the 4
trk.

> Btw, are you the original owner, still have the manual, box etc ... ??<

No, no and unfortunately - probably no. I *had* the manual, but unless it's
in my filing cabinet I'm not sure. (At least that's easy to check out.)

> I too am from Canada, BC to be exact so shipping may not be that bad.<

Canada eh? Yeah, a UPS ground wouldn't be too bad.

So, Daniel - what is it worth to you? I didn't follow the original thread,
but just wondering why you want this particular box. Like I said, I never
liked the sound as I feel DBX noise reduction is a 'sledge-hammer' approach
to noise reduction. If you're familiar with DBX outboard NR, I guess you
know how it sounds. I feel it makes recordings mushy and less 'punchy'.
(IMO) If you've never used it - it's effective, but adds it own 'signature'
on recordings. Again, my personal preference was Dolby 'A'.

I'll sell it, be happy to get rid of it - but I've given you all the
disclaimers. This unit needs work, so the ball's in your court.

Mike T.


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"Mike Tschel." <Mike@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Daniel" <NotReal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "Mike Tschel." <Mike@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> >> Do you still have the RX-9 available to buy ? Email me at
>> > sivlee@yahoo.com
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>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> Daniel <
>> >
>> > Daniel,
>> >
>> > Yes, I have an RX-9 which came with my 3440. Here's the facts:
>> >
>> > It's never really worked well from day 1 (I usually ran it in bypass)
>> > It 'colors' the recordings. Yes, it reduces noise alright - also
>> > reduces
>> > dynamics.
>> > My unit may be defective - like I said I rarely used it. I detested the
>> > sound.
>> > If you want it - it's an As Is sale. It's been sitting unused for over
> ten
>> > years.
>> >
>> > Your best bet is try try to locate a 'working' unit. Failing that, post
>> > again and we can talk via private
>> > e-mail. My concern is selling something that I can't fully endorse.
>> > BTW,
>> > where are you located? The unit will need to be shipped - your cost -
> from
>> > Toronto, Canada. It's not big, but weight might be an issue.
>> >
>> > Mike T.
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> Thanks for letting me know about possible "issues" with the RX-9. Your
>> honesty is very appreciated.<
>
> Well, I've been 'burned' on Ebay by folks claiming 'minty this' and
> 'pristine that' - and while it's only happened twice, it irked me. Of
> course, one man's "mint" might be another person's 'good'. Plus,
> everything
> I said is true - and life is just plain easier when people tell the truth.
>
>> Perhaps the problems stem from the unit being hooked up wrong or just
> being
>> not used right ... ? Is that possible ?<
>
> Absolutely not. Yes, my recent posts regarding self-repair of a Uher tape
> machine make me look like a technofeeb. This is not the case here as the
> hook-up is very straight forward. Also, the off / encode / decode switches
> are foolproof. Plus, I had the manual. I was mainly referring to the noise
> reduction being far too extreme when engaged and problems with one of the
> channels going into 'self bypass'. (The LED's would go from Green to red
> for no reason and I had to re-seat the boards several times to make it
> stop.)
>
>>Is the RX-9 beat up or is it
>> cosmetically fine ? Would it be possible for you to re-test properly ?<
>
> Cosmetically - it's dusty, but it's never left my rack. As for testing it
> again, that would be a big hassle, but it *could* be done I guess. Like I
> said, I seldom used it - so I'd need to record some new material on the 4
> trk.
>
>> Btw, are you the original owner, still have the manual, box etc ... ??<
>
> No, no and unfortunately - probably no. I *had* the manual, but unless
> it's
> in my filing cabinet I'm not sure. (At least that's easy to check out.)
>
>> I too am from Canada, BC to be exact so shipping may not be that bad.<
>
> Canada eh? Yeah, a UPS ground wouldn't be too bad.
>
> So, Daniel - what is it worth to you? I didn't follow the original thread,
> but just wondering why you want this particular box. Like I said, I never
> liked the sound as I feel DBX noise reduction is a 'sledge-hammer'
> approach
> to noise reduction. If you're familiar with DBX outboard NR, I guess you
> know how it sounds. I feel it makes recordings mushy and less 'punchy'.
> (IMO) If you've never used it - it's effective, but adds it own
> 'signature'
> on recordings. Again, my personal preference was Dolby 'A'.
>
> I'll sell it, be happy to get rid of it - but I've given you all the
> disclaimers. This unit needs work, so the ball's in your court.
>
> Mike T.

Well, Mike, obviously we have a situation where the RX-9 seems to be a
faulty unit. I'm not gonna press you for more info as you seem to be someone
who's obviously well versed in electronics, in complete contrast to me. I'm
not sure if the unit can be fixed or if the cost to repair might buy me
another, fully functional RX-9 in the future. It's definitely a risk. At the
same time, it'd be a shame if you decide to throw it out. I'd rather pay you
for shipping + packing supplies (so that no more shipping damage occurs
) ) to send the RX-9 on to me. Even then I'd have to know the cost of all
that before I commit.

While we're on the subject of NR .... What would be a good, but not too
costly, dolby "A" NR unit ?

Thanks Mike,

Daniel

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"Daniel" <NotReal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike Tschel." <Mike@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Daniel,
> >
> > Okay, I tested the RX9 DBX encoder and here are my findings:
> >
> > (Remember, this is used with a *3440* - not the 3*3*40.)
> >
> > Anyway, I checked all my connections (to my surprise I used good, gold
> > ended
> > RCA's between the tape recorder and NR unit. I'd forgotten where those
> > gold
> > cables ended up!) I checked the manual, and all cables were / are
> > installed
> > properly.
> >
> > The RX9 powers up and all the LED's light properly.
> > During 'record' they switch over to red as I remembered.
> > During 'playback' they go green - also as I remembered.
> >
> > My 3440 has a problem though, channel 2 will not record or PB. The meter
> > doesn't move, nor does the encoder LED change color.
> >
> > The RX9 is processing properly. When playing back ch. 1, 3 and 4 have
> > noise
> > reduction enabled. (I used the bypass switch to confirm this.) I swapped
> > channels 1 and 2 and channel 2 seems to be en /decoding porperly also -
> > again, I obviously have a problem on my tape machine.
> >
> > Remember, there is a six(6) pin control cable that is needed. It
> > originates
> > from the RX9 and plugs into the 3440. (Not removable on the RX9 - it's
> > wired
> > right into the back.)
> >
> > My conclusions? I need servicing on the 3440. (channel 2 is not working
> > properly.) As far as the DBX unit, it seems like it works - but I
> > distinctly
> > recall intermittent channel malfunctions when I used it regularly.
(Again,
> > and I can't stress this enough - that was 10 years ago. Unlike wine, I
> > doubt
> > it 'got better with age'.) However, it seems to function.
> >
> > Last, it gave me that 'dreaded' PortaStudio, compressed non-dynamic
sound
> > that I hated from day one. (Mind you, that's only my opinion - to some
it
> > may sound superb.)
> >
> > So, there you go Daniel. You're welcome to the unit, but I make no
claims
> > of
> > perfection. It *does* work, but for how long I couldn't tell you. Plus,
I
> > know it needs work - sooner or later this thing is going to get flakey
as
> > it
> > did to me so don't say I didn't warn you. Any sale would be "As Is".
> >
> > On the plus side, it is cosmetically clean and it powers up and seems to
> > (sort of) work. Short of that, you now have the whole picture. My
advice?
> > If
> > it were me, I'd pass. Even if it worked perfectly, you'll still need to
> > have
> > it checked, cleaned and properly looked at. That costs $$. Add shipping
> > costs and I think you could do better finding something local, newer and
> > working properly. (IMO)
> >
> > That's all. I don't mind helping anyone, but now it's your call.
> > Mike T.
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I think I'll take your advice and pass. Thank you for your time and
effort.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Daniel

That's a sensible move. If, and I say *if* you
absolutely-positively-can't-live-without-it - it's yours. But, I'm sure you
can do better for cheaper.

It was kinda' cool sparking up the old thing, but OLD is the operative word.
LOL

Good luck Daniel.
Mike 'Honest John' T.

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"Mike Tschel." <Mike@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Daniel" <NotReal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Hg82e.837045$6l.42269@pd7tw2no...
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>> "Mike Tschel." <Mike@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:y_Wdna0BmM0LrNrfRVn-ig@look.ca...
>> > Daniel,
>> >
>> > Okay, I tested the RX9 DBX encoder and here are my findings:
>> >
>> > (Remember, this is used with a *3440* - not the 3*3*40.)
>> >
>> > Anyway, I checked all my connections (to my surprise I used good, gold
>> > ended
>> > RCA's between the tape recorder and NR unit. I'd forgotten where those
>> > gold
>> > cables ended up!) I checked the manual, and all cables were / are
>> > installed
>> > properly.
>> >
>> > The RX9 powers up and all the LED's light properly.
>> > During 'record' they switch over to red as I remembered.
>> > During 'playback' they go green - also as I remembered.
>> >
>> > My 3440 has a problem though, channel 2 will not record or PB. The
>> > meter
>> > doesn't move, nor does the encoder LED change color.
>> >
>> > The RX9 is processing properly. When playing back ch. 1, 3 and 4 have
>> > noise
>> > reduction enabled. (I used the bypass switch to confirm this.) I
>> > swapped
>> > channels 1 and 2 and channel 2 seems to be en /decoding porperly also -
>> > again, I obviously have a problem on my tape machine.
>> >
>> > Remember, there is a six(6) pin control cable that is needed. It
>> > originates
>> > from the RX9 and plugs into the 3440. (Not removable on the RX9 - it's
>> > wired
>> > right into the back.)
>> >
>> > My conclusions? I need servicing on the 3440. (channel 2 is not working
>> > properly.) As far as the DBX unit, it seems like it works - but I
>> > distinctly
>> > recall intermittent channel malfunctions when I used it regularly.
> (Again,
>> > and I can't stress this enough - that was 10 years ago. Unlike wine, I
>> > doubt
>> > it 'got better with age'.) However, it seems to function.
>> >
>> > Last, it gave me that 'dreaded' PortaStudio, compressed non-dynamic
> sound
>> > that I hated from day one. (Mind you, that's only my opinion - to some
> it
>> > may sound superb.)
>> >
>> > So, there you go Daniel. You're welcome to the unit, but I make no
> claims
>> > of
>> > perfection. It *does* work, but for how long I couldn't tell you. Plus,
> I
>> > know it needs work - sooner or later this thing is going to get flakey
> as
>> > it
>> > did to me so don't say I didn't warn you. Any sale would be "As Is".
>> >
>> > On the plus side, it is cosmetically clean and it powers up and seems
>> > to
>> > (sort of) work. Short of that, you now have the whole picture. My
> advice?
>> > If
>> > it were me, I'd pass. Even if it worked perfectly, you'll still need to
>> > have
>> > it checked, cleaned and properly looked at. That costs $$. Add shipping
>> > costs and I think you could do better finding something local, newer
>> > and
>> > working properly. (IMO)
>> >
>> > That's all. I don't mind helping anyone, but now it's your call.
>> > Mike T.
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I think I'll take your advice and pass. Thank you for your time and
> effort.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Daniel
>
> That's a sensible move. If, and I say *if* you
> absolutely-positively-can't-live-without-it - it's yours. But, I'm sure
> you
> can do better for cheaper.
>
> It was kinda' cool sparking up the old thing, but OLD is the operative
> word.
> LOL
>
> Good luck Daniel.
> Mike 'Honest John' T.

Thank you Mike.

Best wishes,

Daniel



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"Mike Tschel." <Mike@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Daniel" <NotReal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> >> "Mike Tschel." <Mike@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:y_Wdna0BmM0LrNrfRVn-ig@look.ca...
>> >> > Daniel,
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay, I tested the RX9 DBX encoder and here are my findings:
>> >> >
>> >> > (Remember, this is used with a *3440* - not the 3*3*40.)
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyway, I checked all my connections (to my surprise I used good,
> gold
>> >> > ended
>> >> > RCA's between the tape recorder and NR unit. I'd forgotten where
> those
>> >> > gold
>> >> > cables ended up!) I checked the manual, and all cables were / are
>> >> > installed
>> >> > properly.
>> >> >
>> >> > The RX9 powers up and all the LED's light properly.
>> >> > During 'record' they switch over to red as I remembered.
>> >> > During 'playback' they go green - also as I remembered.
>> >> >
>> >> > My 3440 has a problem though, channel 2 will not record or PB. The
>> >> > meter
>> >> > doesn't move, nor does the encoder LED change color.
>> >> >
>> >> > The RX9 is processing properly. When playing back ch. 1, 3 and 4
>> >> > have
>> >> > noise
>> >> > reduction enabled. (I used the bypass switch to confirm this.) I
>> >> > swapped
>> >> > channels 1 and 2 and channel 2 seems to be en /decoding porperly
> also -
>> >> > again, I obviously have a problem on my tape machine.
>> >> >
>> >> > Remember, there is a six(6) pin control cable that is needed. It
>> >> > originates
>> >> > from the RX9 and plugs into the 3440. (Not removable on the RX9 -
> it's
>> >> > wired
>> >> > right into the back.)
>> >> >
>> >> > My conclusions? I need servicing on the 3440. (channel 2 is not
> working
>> >> > properly.) As far as the DBX unit, it seems like it works - but I
>> >> > distinctly
>> >> > recall intermittent channel malfunctions when I used it regularly.
>> > (Again,
>> >> > and I can't stress this enough - that was 10 years ago. Unlike wine,
> I
>> >> > doubt
>> >> > it 'got better with age'.) However, it seems to function.
>> >> >
>> >> > Last, it gave me that 'dreaded' PortaStudio, compressed non-dynamic
>> > sound
>> >> > that I hated from day one. (Mind you, that's only my opinion - to
> some
>> > it
>> >> > may sound superb.)
>> >> >
>> >> > So, there you go Daniel. You're welcome to the unit, but I make no
>> > claims
>> >> > of
>> >> > perfection. It *does* work, but for how long I couldn't tell you.
> Plus,
>> > I
>> >> > know it needs work - sooner or later this thing is going to get
> flakey
>> > as
>> >> > it
>> >> > did to me so don't say I didn't warn you. Any sale would be "As Is".
>> >> >
>> >> > On the plus side, it is cosmetically clean and it powers up and
>> >> > seems
>> >> > to
>> >> > (sort of) work. Short of that, you now have the whole picture. My
>> > advice?
>> >> > If
>> >> > it were me, I'd pass. Even if it worked perfectly, you'll still need
> to
>> >> > have
>> >> > it checked, cleaned and properly looked at. That costs $$. Add
> shipping
>> >> > costs and I think you could do better finding something local, newer
>> >> > and
>> >> > working properly. (IMO)
>> >> >
>> >> > That's all. I don't mind helping anyone, but now it's your call.
>> >> > Mike T.
>> >>
>> >> Hi Mike,
>> >>
>> >> I think I'll take your advice and pass. Thank you for your time and
>> > effort.
>> >>
>> >> Best wishes,
>> >>
>> >> Daniel
>> >
>> > That's a sensible move. If, and I say *if* you
>> > absolutely-positively-can't-live-without-it - it's yours. But, I'm sure
>> > you
>> > can do better for cheaper.
>> >
>> > It was kinda' cool sparking up the old thing, but OLD is the operative
>> > word.
>> > LOL
>> >
>> > Good luck Daniel.
>> > Mike 'Honest John' T.
>>
>> Thank you Mike.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Daniel<
>
> You're welcome - But, please - let us know how it all works out. Okay?

Will do. Thanks again Mike.

~Daniel


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