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April 30, 2003 10:15:52 PM

I want to know if my 56k modem is a winmodem or not. My 56k modem is called: Generic 56K HCF Data Fax Modem(COM3). I tried to figure out there website but I can't. I tried generic.com, generic.ca, generir56k.com generic56k.ca, none of them works. I also searched alittle in yahoo, excite and google. And I didn't find the info I want.

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May 1, 2003 3:42:45 AM

You'll have to look at the modem to figure out what it is. My guess would be a Connexant (or worse, PC-Tel) Winmodem.

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May 2, 2003 12:04:15 AM

Generic isn't a brand, it means just what it says. It's a generic driver for your modem, not a specific one. Rockwell is the main user of the HCF chip, but they aren't usually marketed under the Rockwell moniker. Most likely it's a Conexant modem built by Rockwell, which will be a winmodem. TL.

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May 2, 2003 4:23:20 AM

I have the installation guide and it says "supra modem". Could "supra" by the brand/manufacturer. If it is, is it a winmodem?

I did a google search and it says:
"Supra modems are based on the Rockwell (now Conexant Systems) chipset and support both 56kFlex and V.90 standards."

So my modem is a winmodem, right???

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 05/02/03 00:28 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
May 2, 2003 5:38:20 AM

Yes, your modem is a winmodem.

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May 2, 2003 7:22:08 AM

Do you really think it's a winmodem? Because I play online games like battlefield 1942. About 50% of the times when I'm online I auto disconnect for no reason that I know of. And the other 50% I can play for about 1 hour and 30 minutes. So is it still a winmodem?
May 2, 2003 12:34:03 PM

I'll summarize:
Crashman: "Its a winmodem"
elzt:"Its a winmodem"
Umheint0:"Its a winmodem"



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May 2, 2003 2:07:14 PM

Hehehe!!!! :lol: 

"Generic 56K HCF Data Fax Modem(COM3)."

He wouldn't be getting that information from the AOL modem list would he? Hehehe...



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May 2, 2003 11:57:20 PM

Bum_JCRules:
What AOL modem list? What are you talking about?

Does anyone know which non dial up winmodem would be the best to play recently released pc games. Can you also tell me there website?
May 3, 2003 5:53:15 AM

I think Diamond made the "Supra" modems. Now here's a bit of funny information for you:

The term "WinModem" is kind of odd. You see, it's often interchanged with the word "Softmodem". A softmodem is a software "modem" that in reality is simply an add in codec that uses the CPU as a modem! People assume "winmodems" are software modems but many aren't.

It turns out that there are many HARDWARE modems that are also "winmodems", this is to say that they use PNP to assign an IRQ. Even then, most won't work in Linux because you need a piece of software to set the IRQ. GRR.

Such hardware based winmodems include many Rockwell chipset modems, as well as many USR "winmodems" and, to a lesser extent, Lucent and Connexant. PC-Tel makes "pure" software modems, which are the worst.

As I recall most of Diamonds modems were hardware modems, but PNP making them "winmodems". Earlier ISA version were selectable between "jumper configured" and "pnp". At any rate, Windows probably wouldn't really be "required" as long as you could find a Linux driver for Rockwell chipset modems.

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May 3, 2003 6:23:36 AM

So Crashman what are you trying to say? Do I still have a winmodem? You confused me.
May 3, 2003 6:30:42 AM

You have a PNP modem. "WinModem" is probably not an accurate desciption, but the lable is likely applied. What I'm saying is that it probably could be used under Linux if somebody wrote a driver for it.

Of course all this assumes it's a PCI modem to begin with.

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May 3, 2003 5:19:31 PM

I;m not sure if it's a pci modem. How can I check it out?

I went in my "modem configuration" then for my "maximum speed bps": it says "115200" and I can bring it up to "921600". Do you know if I could damage my modem by doing that?<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 05/03/03 01:27 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
May 3, 2003 6:08:28 PM

That setting does nothing. It's a PCI modem if it's in a PCI slot.

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May 3, 2003 8:56:28 PM

Dude, winmodems perform the same functions as a hardware modem. I'M SURE IT IS!!!

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May 3, 2003 9:03:42 PM

What kind of computer do you have, a dell, HP, compaq? Lots of them have on-board modems, which are all pure soft modems, which are the worst.

On a side note, I am the proud owner of the worst modem ever manufacturered. Ever hear of NetoDragon? I have one. At AT&T, we agree that they are the worst modems ever manufacturered.

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May 4, 2003 7:52:35 AM

umheint0: "Dude, winmodems perform the same functions as a hardware modem. I'M SURE IT IS!!!"

Your sure about what? That my winmodem is connected to a pci slot? Is a hardware modem a non winmodem?

I'm not sure what kind of computer I have? And no I'm not an idiot ok. I just bought that computer a year ago brand new. I don't care what kind it is. But I can tell you that there's an "M" beside the pentium 4 logo, whatever that means. And I have a asus P4B motherboard.

I might get a us robotics modem. I think it's called that. Is that a good modem to play recently released pc games?



<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 05/04/03 04:13 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
May 4, 2003 11:56:09 AM

Okay, we gotta go to the basics it would appear.

First, I'm sure your modem is a win/software modem. Instead of using it's own processor, like on a hardware modem, a win/software modem uses the computer's processor to operate the modem. Having a hardware modem doesn't really mean much of a performance gain, but they are definitely 1. easier to use 2. easier to switch between computers, and 3. easier to troubleshoot with.

What should you get? USR makes good modems. Make sure it has an onboard controller though. Read the box before you buy the card, and check the USR homepage. <A HREF="http://www.usr.com" target="_new">http://www.usr.com&lt;/A> The PCI card that has an on-board controller is the "56K* V.92 Performance Pro Modem". The "Internal Faxmodem PCI" is not.

If you want to play new games, your only option is to get high-speed internet access, either DSL or broadband. Only then will you notice any performance gains.

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May 4, 2003 8:07:48 PM

I'm one of the unlucky ones. High speed connection except for satelite is not available where I live. So this is why I trying to get the best 56k modem to play new games.

So your saying that having a dsl or broadband is the only why I will get better performance. If so, in http://www.56k.com/reports/winmodem.shtml why does it say???:

"And if you're an online gamer, you definitely want to avoid Winmodems."

I might be wrong but to me this sentence means that having the best dial up modem would increase performance in gaming and winmodems have decreased performance.

I also talked to the person I will buy the 56k modem from. He told me that I can switch to gaming mode. Did you ever heard of that before?
May 4, 2003 9:06:29 PM

I think what the guys means is that is has lower error correction. That means your ping times will be lower and your response to the game server will be shorter, creating less perceivable "lag". Though your total bandwidth restrictions are a major limiting factor.

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May 4, 2003 9:34:57 PM

umheint0: What guy are you taalking about? Are you talking about the guy that told me about the gaming mode for the V.92 Performance Pro?

How old is the 56K* V.92 Performance Pro Modem?

Because I have a 9 years old 56k modem, maybe alittle older. On a older computer that is not the one I'm using now. I don't know what kind it is and I can't go check. So I'm not sure if it's a win/sofware modem. I was wondering if the 56K* V.92 Performance Pro Modem would be better then the 9 year old modem.

Don't just assume that the 56K* V.92 Performance Pro Modem is better because maybe it's just new because another manufactuer started to make them recently. But it could have the same specs as the 9 yer old modem.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 05/04/03 07:58 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
May 5, 2003 12:36:21 AM

Okay, if you want help, you gotta be able to follow your own train of thought here. I'm not going to walk you through your own mind. My own is scary enough.

Now, what is this about me making assumptions of one modem is better than another because of age? What are you trying to say? Are you implying I don't know what I'm talking about? Let me tell you something. I work for AT&T Worldnet technical support. I work with dial-up modems eight-hours a day, five days a week. I know a good modem from a bad modem, okay? Don't come in here telling me my business. If you want help, fine. I'll offer it. If you choose to not use my help or heed my advice, fine. That's your choice. But don't come in here wanting help and then telling me, before I even give an answer, I'm wrong.

We've answered all your questions, and you keep asking the same questions over again. READ THE PREVIOUS POSTS!!

Frankly, right now, I'm not in the mood to answer your last question. Maybe someone else out there who hasn't been jaded by your ignorance and effrontery will answer. If you think you know the answer, do some research on your own.

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May 5, 2003 6:21:51 AM

Why are you so pissed off at me? I never said anything rude to you.

I don't know alot about computers so this is why I need help from people like you guys.

How did you get the idea that I was trying to imply that you don't know what your talking about?

This is what I'm trying to say. I have an approximitly 8 year old computer. In this computer there's a 56k modem. I don't know what kind it is and I CAN'T GO CHECK. It also might be alittle older then 8 years old

OK DON'T BE OFFENDED. This is my question. Instead of buying the 56K* V.92 Performance Pro Modem. The one that is in my 9 year old computer could be as good. So I want to know if a 9 year old non win/software modem could have the same specs of the 56K* V.92 Performance Pro Modem.

You see this is what I'm thinking. Maybe another manufacturer decided to make money and did the 56K* V.92 Performance Pro Modem 2 years ago. But a 56k modem from another manufacturer made the same 56k modem 9 years ago with the same specs. If so instead of buying the new one because the specs didn't change. I could get the one from my old computer that is oppoximitly 9 years old.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 05/05/03 02:34 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
May 5, 2003 6:38:32 AM

Ok... this old computer... is it on windows?

If it says something silly like "generic modem" in your hardware list... then you can always look at the circuit board itself, there will be an FCC ID number on it and you can search for that at the FCC website.

Once you have the identifier you should be able to find out what you've got and probably even find a better set of drivers for it.

However... if, as you say, it's got the letters "HCF" in the identifier it's almost certainly a win-modem... which means that a lot of what it does is not done on the modem card itself, but offloaded to the CPU. Some of the worst ones even offload the tone generation (the racket you hear on the phone line) to the CPU, get doing something that keeps the CPU busy with one of them installed and you're going to get dumped offline all the time.



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May 5, 2003 6:46:09 AM

If it's supra, it's a winmodem, sorry to say.



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May 5, 2003 7:54:29 AM

Like I said before I can't go check in the computer to see what kind of modem it has. I gave the computer away 2 days ago for free. The funny thing is that I wasn't using it for like 2 years. And when I need it my mother gave it away. That pisses me off. But I can tell you that it has windows 3.1. AHHH I think I'll just forget about the modem I had in my old computer and I'll buy the 56K* V.92 Performance Pro Modem.

umheint0: I hope your not pissed again buy what I said ealier. It wasn't in my intention to say you don't know what you talking about. I have another question for you.
When you said:

"I think what the guys means is that is has lower error correction. That means your ping times will be lower and your response to the game server will be shorter, creating less perceivable "lag". Though your total bandwidth restrictions are a major limiting factor."

Were you talking about the 56K* V.92 Performance Pro Modem?

Then when you said:

What should you get? USR makes good modems. Make sure it has an onboard controller though. Read the box before you buy the card, and check the USR homepage. http://www.usr.com The PCI card that has an on-board controller is the "56K* V.92 Performance Pro Modem". The "Internal Faxmodem PCI" is not.

I went in the website and I don't see the "Internal Faxmodem PCI". I can see the "56K* V.92 External Faxmodem". If this is what you wanted to say? If so I went in it and it says:

"The U.S. Robotics 56K* Faxmodem combines the superior performance and reliability of a controller-based modem with the convenience of V.92 technology."

It says "controller-based modem". Is that a on-board controller?
May 5, 2003 11:56:43 AM

There is a good chance your old modem is an ISA slot modem, so it won't even fit in your new computer. Your best bet is to get the V.92 modem, which is a hardware PCI modem. Your old modem will not have the same specs. V.92 has features like modem-on-hold and a few other neat little tricks. V.92 has been around for a little while, but is a much newer technology than X2, or K56Flex, which is probably what your old modem runs on. In fact, V.90, which is what your new modem will probably run on, is still faster than X2 or K56Flex.

Take out the old modem and see if it even fits in your new computer. Chances are, no, it won't. You'll be happier with a hardware V.92.

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May 5, 2003 7:37:50 PM

I'm wondering if updating the driver for my 56k modem that I have in my new computer will help. I did a google and a yahoo search. I typed. "supra modem drivers". I found this website:
"http://www.modem-drivers.com/companies/1000.htm".

My problem is that I don't know which driver to take. Can someone help me find the correct one. I have a supra modem. It's a "Generic 56K HCF Data Fax Modem (COM3)".

Bum_JCRules: Do you know if AOL divers have a website? If so can you tell me?<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 05/05/03 03:41 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
May 6, 2003 6:03:34 AM

Can someone please help me?
May 6, 2003 12:28:11 PM

You can help yourself. It's called reading the previous posts. We've already (actually, I have) already told you what kind of modem you have. The way your tackling this problem is like looking for tires for your car, not knowing what kind of tires you need at all, then having someone tell you what kind of tires you have, and then you ignore them and keep going off on your own aimless tangent.

I'm not going to help you unless you help yourself. I'm not going to hold your hand. If you want help, you gotta read.

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May 6, 2003 7:40:34 PM

I did read the previous post. But I still don't know which kind of driver to take because there's several types of driver for the kind of modem I have.

Here are some of the examples:

rockwell 56k hcf modem driver
Rockwell HCF 56K Data Fax PCI Modem driver
Rockwell/Conextant Integrated 56K PCI modem driver
All conexant modems and pc-tel driver
Rockwell(Conexant) PCI 56K HCF Internal driver
Rockwell 56K HCF PCI driver

And there's even more. There's still the other half of the page that I didn't see. So I just don't know which one is the best. Should I pick any of them? I don't want to download and install them all. So can you tell me which driver I should download/install?
May 6, 2003 8:35:30 PM

Use the all Conexant modems and PC-Tel driver.

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May 7, 2003 12:16:03 AM

For the "All conexant modems and pc-tel driver" it says:

"operating system: window 98 SE (Note: might work with other versions of this os.)."

Here's the link: http://www.modem-drivers.com/drivers/44/44229.htm.

Do you know if this driver will work with windows xp home edition?
May 7, 2003 4:48:37 AM

I decided to install the ones with my operating system, windows xp home edition. Do you know if one of them is better then the others?

56k driver
Rockwell HCF 56K Data Fax PCI Modem driver
56k v90 pci modem driver driver
conexant driver
May 9, 2003 1:13:57 AM

I downloaded the "conexant driver" and it went to my desktop. Then I unziped it. A folder appeared on my desktop and I double clicked on it. Then in the window that appeared I double clicked on the "HXF setup" icon. Then a window appeared. It was telling me something that this software wasn't checked by micosoft and it might cause damage. The "read me" tells me to click on "continue anyway". So this is what I did. Then in the "read me" it tells my that a "Add New Hardware Wizard" will pop up. But it doesn't. So what did I do wrong? I thought that maybe if I go to "run" , type "msconfig" and choose the "diagnostic startup" then restart my computer would make the installtion of the conexant driver work but it didn't.

So can you explain to me how I can install this driver?

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 05/09/03 00:23 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
May 9, 2003 11:51:49 AM

That isn't what diagnostic startup is for, but whatever.

First, remove any existing drivers from your computer. Go to your add/remove programs and make sure nothing is there, then go into your device manager and uninstall the modem. Restart your computer. Then run the executable. Restart once again. Now it should be all hunky dory.

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May 9, 2003 8:00:19 PM

I went to "diagnostic startup" because once I was having problems installing something because nothing was appearing after I was clicking on "setup". I asked for help and in the replie the person told me to go in "diognastic startup". Then after that the "setup" worked properly.

What do you mean by?: "First, remove any existing drivers from your computer."

1. Do you want me to remove the driver for the modem? Is that what you mean?

After that you want me to go to "add and remove programs" and make sure nothing is there.

2. But what to you want me to make sure nothing is there?

3.Then you told me to uninstall my modem. But if I do that will everything be back to normal after the installation of the driver? Or will I need to setup/configure my modem again?

You told me to go to "device manager" and uninstall the modem. But I'm not sure where "device manager" is. And maybe it's not there because I have windows xp home edition.

4. But if I go to my "control panel", click on "printers and other hardware", "phone and modem options", go to "modems" tab. I can remove the modem and uninstall the driver there. Will this work properly?

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 05/09/03 04:38 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
May 10, 2003 11:47:40 AM

1. remove any existing modem drivers from the computer.

2. make sure nothing saying "modem drivers" or "conexant drivers" or any derivitive of any possibility of being something similiar to modem drivers is listed in add/remove programs.

3. You will have to reconfigure your modem if you made any custom changes to its configuration outside of the default settings.

4. That's the same thing.

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May 10, 2003 9:17:27 PM

I went in my "control panel", clicked on "printers and other hardware", "phone and modem options", "modems" tab. And I uninstalled my driver there. My connection to the internet disconnected and my modem name dissapeared from under "the fallowing modems are installed". The I went to add/remove programs and the only thing I saw about my modem is cablenut. So I removed it. Then I restarted wiondows xp. BUT when I double clicked on the setup icon in the folder for the new driver I want to install. Again nothing appeared after that. Then I checked if I could go on the internet and I was able to connect. So I don't know why the modem is installed. Because before I restart my computer the name of my modem wasn't there anymore under "the fallowing modems are installed" and I didn't install it after I restart my computer.

Can you please explain to me why this installation of my new driver is still not appearing after I click on setup?
May 10, 2003 11:05:55 PM

Your modem is a plug-and-play modem, meaning that you just turn off the computer, plug it in, turn the computer on, and windows automatically detects it and install drivers for it.

What do the instructions with your modem say? There is a chance that running the setup simply placed the drivers somewhere on your computer. Find out where they are, go back into phone and modem options, and update it there (just hit the update driver button).

Another way is to see if the drivers are already installed. Goto phone and modem options - modems - advanced - driver, and check out the driver date. As long as it's in the second half of '02 or newer, you probably have the latest drivers installed already.

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May 11, 2003 12:15:18 AM

I'm not sure what you mean by: "As long as it's in the second half of '02 or newer, you probably have the latest drivers installed already."

So I will tell you my drivers and can you tell me if there are the latest?

I clicked on the driver tab and it says:

Driver Provider: Microsoft
Driver Date: 7/1/2001
Driver Version: 5.0.0.2
Digital Signer: Microsoft Windows XP Publisher

Then when I click on driver details there's 2 more drivers
and it says this:

C:\WINDOWS\System32\DRIVERS\HCF_MSFT.sys

provider: Conexant
File version: 2.1.2.171.021.003
Copyright: Copyright Conexant Systems, Inc 2001
Digital Signer: Microsoft Windows XP Publisher

C:\WINDOWS\System32\drivers\Modem.sys

Provider: Microsoft Corporation
File version: 5.1.2600.0 (xpclient010817-1148)
Copyright: Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Didital Signer: Microsoft Windows XP Publisher

So I have 3 driver versions. Is my modem using those 3 driver versions? I'm not sure if they are the latest. Can you tell me?
May 11, 2003 6:57:27 AM

The instructions don't work.


In the previous post you did you said:

"What do the instructions with your modem say? There is a chance that running the setup simply placed the drivers somewhere on your computer. Find out where they are, go back into phone and modem options, and update it there (just hit the update driver button)."

I don't think that the setup placed the driver somewhere on my computer. Because in the readme this is what it says:

2. By clicking on the HXFSetup.exe, you will be uninstalling and installing the HSF generic driver without your intervention if the driver has been digitally signed by Microsoft.
3. If during the installation process a window pop up indicating that the software has not passed Windows Logo testing just click on the Continue Anyway button to proceed with the installation.
4. Then the "Add New Hardware Wizard" window pops up to indicate that you need to direct it to the drivers.

So it says that by clicking on the setup icon it will uninstall the old driver and install the new one. Then it says that a window will pop up indicating that the software has not passed Windows Logo testing. It says to just click on the Continue Anyway button. OK THE FIRST TIME I DOUBLE CLICKED ON THE SETUP FOR THE NEW DRIVER THE POP UP WINDOW APPEARED AND I PRESSED ON "CONTINUE ANYWAY" But th "Add New Hardware Wizard" never appeared. This is my problem. You told me to fallow the instructions but it doesn't work.

What I did is went in the driver tab and clicked on "update driver". Then I did a search in the folder where the setup is in. Then a message appears and it says:

"The wizard could not find a better match for your hardware then the software you currently
have installed"

Is this what you were talking about when you said:

"There is a chance that running the setup simply placed the drivers somewhere on your computer."

If so then the message that appeared after the search. Does it mean that it didn't find any drivers? Or a driver was found but it was older?
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Zemuron on 05/12/03 03:35 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
May 13, 2003 2:21:38 AM

Can someone please answer. It doesn't have to be umheint0.

umheint0: Did I do something to piss you off again? If I did tell me. Because I don't know what I did.
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