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silverpig   08-04-2004 at 08:40:13 AM

The puzzle: Three gods A, B, and C are called, in some order, True, False, and
Random. True always speaks truly, False always speaks falsely, but whether Random
speaks truly or falsely is a completely random matter. Your task is to determine the
identities of A, B, and C by asking three yes-no questions; each question must be
put to exactly one god. The gods understand English, but will answer all questions
in their own language, in which the words for “yes” and “no” are “da” and “ja,” in
some order. You do not know which word means which.

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eden   08-04-2004 at 08:41:50 AM
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I'm already lost on the instructions.

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dhlucke   08-04-2004 at 08:43:25 AM
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God A is god A. God B is god B. God C is god C.

Easy.

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dhlucke   08-04-2004 at 08:45:06 AM
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Random is A. False is C. True is B.

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UFO_WARVIPER   08-04-2004 at 08:46:07 AM
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"ja" mean yes in German. pronounced "yaw

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UFO_WARVIPER   08-04-2004 at 08:49:47 AM
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I'd kick each god 3 times in the nuts. Each time for their mumble jumble respons

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dhlucke   08-04-2004 at 08:53:41 AM
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Ja is yes in a ton of languages.

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Tom_Smart   08-04-2004 at 10:59:38 AM
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Is "ton" a new collective noun?

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WingDing   08-04-2004 at 11:00:50 AM
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Yes, for MelB's buttocks.

:eek: I'm the good time that was had by all :eek:

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Tom_Smart   08-04-2004 at 11:03:19 AM
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We need "Zeefuckup" on this one, he would simply denounce all other gods that are not his personal favourite.

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Snorkius   08-04-2004 at 02:47:50 PM
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It's all the same one!

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UFO_WARVIPER   08-05-2004 at 01:56:29 AM
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Quote :

Is "ton" a new collective noun?



Not only that the word "ton" is by definition used to describe weight, not some intangible noun like languages. :tongue: All the languages combined don't even weigh an ounce.

Well, I've had my out-of-context post for today now. :eek:

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silverpig   08-05-2004 at 04:06:25 AM
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Well yes, but in this riddle you don't know if ja or da is yes or no. You have to figure that out by asking a question to the gods.

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eden   08-05-2004 at 04:41:41 AM
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Dude what kind of lousy game is that. I still can't grasp what in the world is it about.
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<font color=red>NNNNNNNNNNNNNNN</font color=green></font color=white><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Eden on 08/04/04 10:41 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

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silverpig   08-05-2004 at 04:53:58 AM
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Here's a n00b version:

You are travelling a road when you come to a fork. You do not know whether you should go left or right in order to get where you want. There are two people there. One of them always tells the truth, the other always lies. You can ask one question to either person, but you have no way of knowing if you are asking the truth-teller, or the liar. What question do you ask?

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eden   08-05-2004 at 06:06:45 AM
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Oooooh, zippy.

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UFO_WARVIPER   08-05-2004 at 06:34:58 AM
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And I thought the Rubics Cube was the toughest logic puzzle ever.

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eden   08-05-2004 at 06:42:37 AM
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I got a nice logic question for you guys. Apparently my cousin' grandfather's smart friend couldn't figure it out, lacked logic more than IQ.

Find me the actual numeric answer of the following equation laid out like this:


SEND
+MORE
-------
MONEY

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<font color=red>NNNNNNNNNNNNNNN</font color=green></font color=white><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Eden on 08/05/04 00:43 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

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scamtrOn   08-05-2004 at 09:01:19 AM
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Quote :

You are travelling a road when you come to a fork. You do not know whether you should go left or right in order to get where you want. There are two people there. One of them always tells the truth, the other always lies. You can ask one question to either person, but you have no way of knowing if you are asking the truth-teller, or the liar. What question do you ask?


Well, if the liar always lies and the other one tells the truth, it doesn't matter who you ask. The first answer you get should be correct.

As for the A B C thing, I must think on it, but the same logic should be used and the same basic idea I think.

edit: as for the question, it could be "which way is it to your moms room?"

</font color=red><b><font color=orange>GOD BLESS GERMANY<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by scamtron on 08/05/04 03:03 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

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scamtrOn   08-05-2004 at 09:23:15 AM
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hmm this is hard! apparently it does not use the same idea as the "noob version"...

i thought about asking the god to the left: "does the lying god sit next to you" and the god to the right: "does the truth telling god sit next to you" and the one in the midle: "does the lying god sit to the right of you" or "does the truth telling god sit to the right of you", but that still doesn't work...

this is like two riddles in one!

more thinking

edit: hah that would be stupid! if ther were next to each other, i could ask the god to the left does the liar sit to the left of you and so on... that still sucks tho.... lmao

</font color=red><b><font color=orange>GOD BLESS GERMANY<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by scamtron on 08/05/04 04:26 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

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scamtrOn   08-05-2004 at 09:35:52 AM
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dood i think i got it! i'm checking


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scamtrOn   08-05-2004 at 09:39:37 AM
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lol it would be so easy if they were standing next to each other.

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scamtrOn   08-05-2004 at 10:04:04 AM
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now i'm working on this, but i don't knwo how to put it to use:

Qa) does da mean yes?
Qb) does ja mean no?
Qc) does da mean no?

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scamtrOn   08-05-2004 at 10:15:12 AM
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i think thats it? so it comes down to:

y=y?
n=n?
n=y? or y=n?

let me know how far off i am. me likes this stuff

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silverpig   08-05-2004 at 01:50:59 PM
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You get to ask only one question in the n00b version. Your first answer need not be correct. You might ask the liar.

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silverpig   08-05-2004 at 01:51:46 PM
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Which one is the liar, truth-teller, and random? You're pretty far off still.

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BigMac   08-05-2004 at 01:55:39 PM
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How well did DH do? :smile:


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SoDNighthawk   08-05-2004 at 02:43:57 PM
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Since we are dealing with a 30% factor here such as in only three gods but you only get your final answer in da or ja then asking each God in turn will provide you with 3 answered questions in either da or ja and that is 20% of the 30% leaving only 10% in question. If you asked pointed questions of all three Gods so the only outcome could be a true answer then you would expect that only God (B) random would answer either da or ja 2 times out of the 3 questions asked making him the 10%.

As to the God's that speak truly (A) and God False (B) they are the most easy to identify, because you will get three direct answers all the same. Either da or ja Yes or No.

The problem with this puzzle is not Who in fact God A, B or C is ? The problem with this puzzle is how you question them.

Solution!!

Know the answer to each question before you ask it.

God (A) Truth will give you three correct answers so he will use either da or ja as his response 3 times.

God (B) False will give you three incorrect answers to your questions and he will use either da or ja in his replies.

Applying the correct 3 answers from the truthful God gives you the answer that da means yes or no or weather ja means yes or no.

God (B) random is not even a factor in the puzzle as he will be forced to answer 3 questions differently either with 2 da & a ja or 2 ja & a da.

JaDa!! or.....Ta Da!!

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BigMac   08-05-2004 at 02:53:25 PM
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I don't want to be a spoilsport but as I read the instructions you only have 3 questions, not the 9 that you are using. Then again, I may have misunderstood the original post.



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SoDNighthawk   08-05-2004 at 02:56:57 PM
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Rats!

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SoDNighthawk   08-05-2004 at 03:00:13 PM
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Ok Solution!!

God (C) Is the one that Randomly picks his nose.
God (b) Is the one whoe's eyes are to close together.
God (A) Is the one with the Hard-On and he gives you the answer as to what Ja or Da means.

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RobD   08-05-2004 at 03:05:35 PM
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LOL! By god I think you've cracked it!

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BigMac   08-05-2004 at 03:09:41 PM
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He's cracked allright... or smoking it.


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RobD   08-05-2004 at 03:10:43 PM
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The latter. Definitely the latter.

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UFO_WARVIPER   08-05-2004 at 04:43:23 PM
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The numeric answer is zero because I'm not sending a penny.

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scamtrOn   08-05-2004 at 06:45:14 PM
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yeah, i found out it was off before i fell asleep. i'll think abou tit while at work

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dhlucke   08-05-2004 at 07:31:55 PM
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I'm unclear. If you ask 3 questions will you get 3 answers or 9 answers?

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Auburn9698   08-05-2004 at 07:34:24 PM
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3.

Use "if and only if" to solve it.

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dhlucke   08-05-2004 at 07:35:59 PM
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My worst math class was discreet math. I hated that crap.

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dhlucke   08-05-2004 at 07:49:49 PM
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Realizing that I am incapable of solving this puzzle I looked up the solution

<A HREF="http://people.ucsc.edu/~jburke/three_gods.pdf" target="_new">Solution very well drawn out</A>



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BigMac   08-05-2004 at 10:33:44 PM
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spoilsport

You have a mean streak in you, but you know that already. dont ya?


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eden   08-05-2004 at 10:38:41 PM
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He's a genius, admit it.

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silverpig   08-05-2004 at 10:59:29 PM
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Heh, I guess it's alright to post the solution as I'm sure no one here could have gotten it :)

I glossed over it quickly enough that I can't repeat it, but I do have an idea of where to start. I'm gonna see if I can work through it myself.

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dhlucke   08-05-2004 at 11:46:57 PM
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I understand the solution but would never have gotten it. I really really am lousy at these types of logic problems. I'm still pissed off about the whole T T = F thing or whatever it was that they tried to teach me in class.

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eden   08-06-2004 at 12:06:03 AM
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Think you can solve my equation?

Find the sum in numeric.

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XXXXXX<font color=green>SSS<font color=white>XXXXXX
XXXXX<font color=green>SS<font color=orange>g</font color=orange>SS<font color=white>XXXXX
<font color=red>NNNNNNNNNNNNNNN</font color=green></font color=white>

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silverpig   08-06-2004 at 02:40:49 AM
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Yeah I got it. Realized that M = 1 and O = 0, making S = 9 pretty quick. From there on it's just systematic.

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scamtrOn   08-06-2004 at 05:30:49 AM
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i'm sofucking pissed at this problem!!!! you f'n SOB!!!

i haven't found the answer yet, but i ain't givin up. i'm going to eat a lot of chicken tonight. i hear chicken makes your head work harder?

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eden   08-06-2004 at 06:13:16 AM
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Wait till DH ruins it even more by posting the answer text!

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<font color=red>NNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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XXXXXX<font color=green>SSS<font color=white>XXXXXX
XXXXX<font color=green>SS<font color=orange>g</font color=orange>SS<font color=white>XXXXX
<font color=red>NNNNNNNNNNNNNNN</font color=green></font color=white><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Eden on 08/06/04 00:13 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

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SoDNighthawk   08-06-2004 at 06:13:50 AM
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Can't use SoD and [-peep-] in the same sentence eh Scamy :smile: It's ok you wont hurt my feelings I know you are just blowing steam off at the puzzle :)

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eden   08-06-2004 at 06:14:14 AM
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It's a pretty nice one I have to say. I'm not one that likes those logic puzzles, too hard and I rarely ever figure any out, but once I got the understanding of this one, I got into it.

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XXXXXX<font color=green>SSS<font color=white>XXXXXX
XXXXX<font color=green>SS<font color=orange>g</font color=orange>SS<font color=white>XXXXX
<font color=red>NNNNNNNNNNNNNNN</font color=green></font color=white><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Eden on 08/06/04 00:15 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

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