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Anonymous
July 6, 2005 7:51:11 PM

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Anyone know if sprint still plans to put out a phone to work on both nextel
and sprint? Curious since I know a lot of friends and family on nextel.

Capt.
Anonymous
July 7, 2005 1:13:30 AM

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On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:51:11 -0500, "Capn" <capn@charter.net> wrote:

>Anyone know if sprint still plans to put out a phone to work on both nextel
>and sprint? Curious since I know a lot of friends and family on nextel.
>
>Capt.

"Still"? Was that EVER the plan?

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Anonymous
July 7, 2005 1:13:31 AM

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"Paul Miner" <pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:51:11 -0500, "Capn" <capn@charter.net> wrote:
>
> >Anyone know if sprint still plans to put out a phone to work on both
nextel
> >and sprint? Curious since I know a lot of friends and family on nextel.
> >
> >Capt.
>
> "Still"? Was that EVER the plan?
>
> --
Motorola announced plans to develop a CDMA/iDen phone about an hour after
the merger was announced in January. Summer of '06 was the projected
release timeframe.
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Anonymous
July 7, 2005 1:25:45 AM

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"Capn" <capn@charter.net> wrote in message news:2vXye.226$zA.57@fe04.lga...
> Anyone know if sprint still plans to put out a phone to work on both
nextel
> and sprint? Curious since I know a lot of friends and family on nextel.
>
> Capt.

Until all the i's are dotted and the t's crossed on the agreement of the
merger, and the merger gets government approval, there won't be any handsets
compatible for both providers.

Estimated time for the merger is end of 4th quarter 2005.

Bob
Anonymous
July 7, 2005 1:25:46 AM

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Bob Smith wrote:
> "Capn" <capn@charter.net> wrote in message news:2vXye.226$zA.57@fe04.lga...
>
>>Anyone know if sprint still plans to put out a phone to work on both
>
> nextel
>
>>and sprint? Curious since I know a lot of friends and family on nextel.
>>
>>Capt.
>
>
> Until all the i's are dotted and the t's crossed on the agreement of the
> merger, and the merger gets government approval, there won't be any handsets
> compatible for both providers.
>
> Estimated time for the merger is end of 4th quarter 2005.

And the smart money is not on a hybrid CDMA/iDEN phone, but on a CDMA phone
(like the ones Sprint sells) that will do PTT with Nextel phones. Nextel is
supposedly going to adopt CDMA.


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July 7, 2005 4:00:52 AM

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"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> Bob Smith wrote:
>> "Capn" <capn@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:2vXye.226$zA.57@fe04.lga...
>>
>>>Anyone know if sprint still plans to put out a phone to work on both
>>
>> nextel
>>
>>>and sprint? Curious since I know a lot of friends and family on nextel.
>>>
>>>Capt.
>>
>>
>> Until all the i's are dotted and the t's crossed on the agreement of the
>> merger, and the merger gets government approval, there won't be any
>> handsets
>> compatible for both providers.
>>
>> Estimated time for the merger is end of 4th quarter 2005.
>
> And the smart money is not on a hybrid CDMA/iDEN phone, but on a CDMA
> phone (like the ones Sprint sells) that will do PTT with Nextel phones.
> Nextel is supposedly going to adopt CDMA.

Moto has indicated that they will build a hybrid phone. They also have a
server that will connect Direct Connect to Sprint PTT.
Anonymous
July 7, 2005 4:00:53 AM

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brutus wrote:

> Moto has indicated that they will build a hybrid phone. They also have a
> server that will connect Direct Connect to Sprint PTT.

That's what I was referring to, the CDMA<->PTT technology. Nextel already
has it. The key will be building a link between Sprint Readylink, Sprint's
current CDMA-based PTT technology, and Nextel's DirectConnect. It would be
wonderful if people could just get a firmware upgrade to their existing
phones. And it would be a huge blow to Verizon's CDMA-based PTT service (IMHO).


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Anonymous
July 7, 2005 4:31:37 AM

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On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 17:19:04 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

>brutus wrote:
>
>> Moto has indicated that they will build a hybrid phone. They also have a
>> server that will connect Direct Connect to Sprint PTT.
>
>That's what I was referring to, the CDMA<->PTT technology. Nextel already
>has it. The key will be building a link between Sprint Readylink, Sprint's
>current CDMA-based PTT technology, and Nextel's DirectConnect. It would be
>wonderful if people could just get a firmware upgrade to their existing
>phones. And it would be a huge blow to Verizon's CDMA-based PTT service (IMHO).

It would be even more wonderful if no firmware upgrades were required
and the whole upgrade is accomplished within the network and is
transparent to the customers. Firmware upgrades on such a wide scale
would be a nightmare, IMO.

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Paul Miner
Anonymous
July 7, 2005 4:31:38 AM

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Firmware updates should be done "over-the-air". The technology exists and it
is not that difficult. I have designed products that incorporate this
functionality. You essentially need a banked flash memory with twice the
storage requirements to avoid a problem that can occur in the event of a
power loss during download of the firmware. The additional storage
requirement would increase the cost of the phone. I would be willing to pay
so that I do not have to take the phone to a Sprint store and wait over an
hour to get a firmware upgrade. I am sure that the majority of customers
would not pay for this functionality and that is the reason that it is not
available.


"Paul Miner" <pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 06 Jul 2005 17:19:04 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
> wrote:
>
>>brutus wrote:
>>
>>> Moto has indicated that they will build a hybrid phone. They also have
>>> a
>>> server that will connect Direct Connect to Sprint PTT.
>>
>>That's what I was referring to, the CDMA<->PTT technology. Nextel already
>>has it. The key will be building a link between Sprint Readylink, Sprint's
>>current CDMA-based PTT technology, and Nextel's DirectConnect. It would be
>>wonderful if people could just get a firmware upgrade to their existing
>>phones. And it would be a huge blow to Verizon's CDMA-based PTT service
>>(IMHO).
>
> It would be even more wonderful if no firmware upgrades were required
> and the whole upgrade is accomplished within the network and is
> transparent to the customers. Firmware upgrades on such a wide scale
> would be a nightmare, IMO.
>
> --
> Paul Miner
Anonymous
July 7, 2005 4:31:38 AM

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Paul Miner wrote:

> It would be even more wonderful if no firmware upgrades were required
> and the whole upgrade is accomplished within the network and is
> transparent to the customers. Firmware upgrades on such a wide scale
> would be a nightmare, IMO.

I agree. If they can pull that off, it'll be a HUGE win. And maybe it can be
done within the network. I don't really know the technology involved, so I'm
not going to speculate.

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Anonymous
July 7, 2005 4:31:39 AM

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Mij Adyaw wrote:
> Firmware updates should be done "over-the-air". The technology exists and it
> is not that difficult.

That's great, but there are a huge number of phones that don't do OTA
firmware upgrades. The technology does exist but is relatively new to cell
phones.

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Anonymous
July 7, 2005 4:31:40 AM

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That is correct. It is new to cell phones but has existed in other products
for many years.

"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>> Firmware updates should be done "over-the-air". The technology exists and
>> it is not that difficult.
>
> That's great, but there are a huge number of phones that don't do OTA
> firmware upgrades. The technology does exist but is relatively new to cell
> phones.
>
> --
> JustThe.net - Steve Sobol / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
> Coming to you from Southern California's High Desert, where the
> temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)
>
> "Life's like an hourglass glued to the table" --Anna Nalick, "Breathe"
Anonymous
July 7, 2005 8:53:34 AM

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On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 19:58:37 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <mijadyaw@nospam.net>
wrote:

>Firmware updates should be done "over-the-air". The technology exists and it
>is not that difficult. I have designed products that incorporate this
>functionality. You essentially need a banked flash memory with twice the
>storage requirements to avoid a problem that can occur in the event of a
>power loss during download of the firmware. The additional storage
>requirement would increase the cost of the phone. I would be willing to pay
>so that I do not have to take the phone to a Sprint store and wait over an
>hour to get a firmware upgrade. I am sure that the majority of customers
>would not pay for this functionality and that is the reason that it is not
>available.

Sorry, I meant to say "OTA upgrades on such a wide scale would be a
nightmare, IMO." Upgrading firmware isn't difficult, and doing it OTA
isn't even that difficult in and of itself, but when you're talking
about a mobile network where there are millions of devices, with some
number of them going in and out of coverage, some number of them
becoming unavailable during an OTA session because the customer either
turned the phone off or initiated a voice call, and any number of
other problems, not to mention you have to manage the whole process so
that you don't flood the network with OTA traffic, it just gets to be
a headache. That's the nightmare I was referring to.

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Anonymous
July 7, 2005 8:59:57 AM

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On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:46:37 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <mijadyaw@nospam.net>
wrote:

>That is correct. It is new to cell phones but has existed in other products
>for many years.

Existing in other products for any length of time doesn't really help,
though. If a subset of the device population can't do OTA, then you're
SOL for that portion of the population and those customers have no
choice but to make a store visit, where undoubtedly those with older
or less capable devices will be told that their device can't be
upgraded to include this particular functionality. That's why I say
this really needs to be done within the network, if possible. The less
Sprint asks of its customers the better.

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Paul Miner
Anonymous
July 7, 2005 4:54:55 PM

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That is very true. Some of the customers are really scary especially at
Sprint and Cingular Stores.

"Paul Miner" <pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:46:37 -0700, "Mij Adyaw" <mijadyaw@nospam.net>
> wrote:
>
>>That is correct. It is new to cell phones but has existed in other
>>products
>>for many years.
>
> Existing in other products for any length of time doesn't really help,
> though. If a subset of the device population can't do OTA, then you're
> SOL for that portion of the population and those customers have no
> choice but to make a store visit, where undoubtedly those with older
> or less capable devices will be told that their device can't be
> upgraded to include this particular functionality. That's why I say
> this really needs to be done within the network, if possible. The less
> Sprint asks of its customers the better.
>
> --
> Paul Miner
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