Mike for live male vocal work

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Hi:

I've been using a TLM103 in the studio. Sounds great on my voice in
that context. Last week I started doing a jazz piano/vocal gig.
Thought I'd try out my TLM103 once live to see how it would do. The PA
was "average" (Fostex powered mixer and your basic house monitors).
Worked wonderfully. Lots of detail and texture in the voice. No
feedback issues (at least in solo work).

Now a TLM103 is no mike you would normally use in a smoky club where
the stage is easily accessed by customers. And so, I need to find a
workhorse mike for live work which would provide the frequency
response and detail I crave. (I've used SM58s, AKG C451, and AKG C3000
in live situations and have come away dissatisfied with all except the
AKG C451 which did have some detail in the sound.)

Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there (up to about $500) which
can "mimic" the characteristics of the TLM103 in a live setting?

Thanks.

Rob A.

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"Rob A." <rmahad@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Now a TLM103 is no mike you would normally use in a smoky club where
> the stage is easily accessed by customers. And so, I need to find a
> workhorse mike for live work which would provide the frequency
> response and detail I crave. (I've used SM58s, AKG C451, and AKG C3000
> in live situations and have come away dissatisfied with all except the
> AKG C451 which did have some detail in the sound.)
>
> Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there (up to about $500) which
> can "mimic" the characteristics of the TLM103 in a live setting?

Well, it's certainly not an exact mimic, but a damned fine mic for this sort
of vocal: the Electro-Voice RE20. It's not too expensive, it's built like a
brick drum-booth, and it's mounted in a clamp rather than a quick-release
clip, which might be useful for preventing theft. It's also way too big to
put into the pocket of anyone but a kangaroo.

Peace,
Paul "Is that an RE20 in your pocket, or...?"

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Rob A. <rmahad@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there (up to about $500) which
>can "mimic" the characteristics of the TLM103 in a live setting?

The Neumann KMS105 is specifically designed for that.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 15:51:43 -0400, Dieter Michel wrote
(in article <d3ekiv$8mu$1@segfault.nrw-online.de> ):

> Hi Rob,
>
>> Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there
> > (up to about $500) which can "mimic" the characteristics
> > of the TLM103 in a live setting?
>
> you could for example check the Neumann KMS-105,
> the AKG C-535 or the Audio-Technica AE5400, just
> to mention a few.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dieter Michel

Beat me to it.


Ty Ford

-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

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I just wanted to add that it is fairly popular with jazz vocalists for
this reason.

Karl Winkler
Lectrosonics, Inc.
http://www.lectrosonics.com

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In article <Tiy6e.5189$sp3.4377@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Dave Martin" <dmainc@earthlink.net> wrote:

> >
> > Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there (up to about $500) which
> > can "mimic" the characteristics of the TLM103 in a live setting?

I don't know about mimicing your mic of choice, but I have been using
the Sennheiser md431 mkII on my voice (sort of bluesy baritone) with
pleasing results, and it has a noise-free switch. I understand that
Neumann has repackaged the cap off this mic in their ksm150 (or whatever
the number is). I got this mic for $310 on ebay.

Another live mic to check out is the Rode S1, although I have better
results with it on female vocals than my own. Needs phantom power.

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In article <d40akc$eot$1@panix2.panix.com>, kludge@panix.com (Scott
Dorsey) wrote:

> jackfish <jackfish@north.org> wrote:
> >In article <Tiy6e.5189$sp3.4377@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> >"Dave Martin" <dmainc@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> > Is there an inexpensive sturdy mike out there (up to about $500)
> >> > which
> >> > can "mimic" the characteristics of the TLM103 in a live setting?
> >
> >I don't know about mimicing your mic of choice, but I have been using
> >the Sennheiser md431 mkII on my voice (sort of bluesy baritone) with
> >pleasing results, and it has a noise-free switch. I understand that
> >Neumann has repackaged the cap off this mic in their ksm150 (or whatever
> >the number is). I got this mic for $310 on ebay.
>
> It's a nice mike, but the 431 has a clean and reasonably accurate top
> end,
> not a peaky one like the TLM103. If you're looking for something with
> that artificial sense of "openness" from the exaggerated top octave, the
> 431 isn't a good choice.
> --scott


Right. Flat, with a bell shaped peak around 12k. The 431 IMHO still
sounds like a dynamic mic, which of course, it is. It has a nice
proximity response that can be used effectively for live work, I think.
And low handing noise. I don't think it will sound at all like a
condenser mic, but the Rode S1 has a sound that's more in that
direction, with a more dense tightly focused sound and a bit more smooth
and silky.