Mackie Onyx 80 Series

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I was just reading up on the new Mackie Onyx 80 series live consoles
and noticed that they're priced on par with the Midas Venice range.
I've had the pleasure of mixing on a Venice console a few of times and
I'm wondering how the mackie will up. The Onyx 80 feature set is
slightly more extensive than the Venice's, the most notable differences
being Onyx 80's eight subgroups over Venice's four and eight Aux
channels over Venice's six. Extra features at the expense of quality,
or economy of scale at it's finest? I guess I'll have to spec an ONYX
80 for my next rider to find out.

KZ

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I have always found mackies to have a fairly transparent sound. I have
used everything from the original 1604, 1604VLZ, 24x8, SR40x8. And have
NEVER been let down in the quality department. I did a recording on a
1604VLZ direct to computer for someone, she just recently contacted me
again because she wants to do more recording, even though she was
offered free studio time in a full protools room(friend of eminem) i
live about 15 mins from where he lives. It just goes to show that its
not always about big brand names, its all about how you use the
equipment you have on hand. Sorry for the long post.


Jon Waite
JB Productions


Mike Rivers wrote:
> In article <1113594270.954934.116140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> hermiewolf@gmail.com writes:
>
>
>>I was just reading up on the new Mackie Onyx 80 series live consoles
>>and noticed that they're priced on par with the Midas Venice range.
>
>
>>Extra features at the expense of quality,
>>or economy of scale at it's finest? I guess I'll have to spec an ONYX
>>80 for my next rider to find out.
>
>
> I don't know how soon you'll be able to do that. If there are any 80
> series shipping, it's very recent. I suspect it'll be a while yet
> before anyone has one. I think the Midas is built in Italy, and the
> Mackie is built in China. I'm sure that makes a difference in the
> landed cost.
>
> Just because these things change very slowly, I expect that it will be
> a long time before people move their allegiance from Midas to Mackie,
> which means that sound companies will be slow in picking them up. I
> would guess that first it will have to prove itself in fixed venues
> and installations before traveling crews take a new console seriously,
> particularly with Mackie's tarnished reputation in their earlier large
> live sound consoles.
>
>
>
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Mike Rivers wrote:
> In article <1113594270.954934.116140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
> hermiewolf@gmail.com writes:
>
>> I was just reading up on the new Mackie Onyx 80 series live
consoles
>> and noticed that they're priced on par with the Midas Venice range.
>
>> Extra features at the expense of quality,
>> or economy of scale at it's finest? I guess I'll have to spec an
ONYX
>> 80 for my next rider to find out.
>
> I don't know how soon you'll be able to do that. If there are any 80
> series shipping, it's very recent. I suspect it'll be a while yet
> before anyone has one. I think the Midas is built in Italy, and the
> Mackie is built in China. I'm sure that makes a difference in the
> landed cost.

I see that some dealers are advertising some of the larger Onyx 80s
(e.g. 32 input).

Anybody know if this is vapor or what?

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In article <19idnQLr-aChq_zfRVn-qg@comcast.com> arnyk@hotpop.com writes:

> I see that some dealers are advertising some of the larger Onyx 80s
> (e.g. 32 input).

It happens all the time. Catalogs are prepared well before new
products are released, but heaven help them if it's not in the catalog
when it's actually available.

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I should have said the mic pre's not the overall. i do and hate the eq
on the mackie 24x8, but the one on the 1604 sounded better to me. Thats
why i haven't put the mackie on my "recording consoles to consider".
Although, they are tough as nails so i am intriged in the new digital
live and DXB.

Sean Conolly wrote:
> "Jon" <jon@waite> wrote in message
> news:84ednfuDbZ_i-f3fRVn-vg@comcast.com...
>
>>I have always found mackies to have a fairly transparent sound. I have
>>used everything from the original 1604, 1604VLZ, 24x8, SR40x8. And have
>>NEVER been let down in the quality department. I did a recording on a
>>1604VLZ direct to computer for someone, she just recently contacted me
>>again because she wants to do more recording, even though she was
>>offered free studio time in a full protools room(friend of eminem) i
>>live about 15 mins from where he lives. It just goes to show that its
>>not always about big brand names, its all about how you use the
>>equipment you have on hand. Sorry for the long post.
>
>
> I'd have to disagree, at least with the larger 8-buss boards. I've never
> heard a Mackie EQ section that I really liked, and I can't see paying that
> much money for a board that doesn't have a good EQ section. If the Onyx
> actually has better preamps, a better a EQ section, and less buss noise than
> the current lines I would certainly be interesterd.
>
> Sean
>
>

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In article <0uGdnZOU1u6GNvzfRVn-vg@comcast.com> arnyk@hotpop.com writes:

> Hence the question - are they really available to regular purchasers?

Ask your regular dealer. That's the only way to find out at this point
in time. If he has them in stock or has them on order and has been
given a delivery date, then you'll know for sure. If you can't find a
dealer that has stock, they aren't available.



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I'll check with Chuck Levin's today as I have to go up and pick up my X3
from repair. They didn't have any the last time I was there. Plus they
aren't showing the product on their website yet. Oops, yes they are.
There's a 2480, 3280, 4080 and 4880 in the Onyx product line, but no press
release I saw actually had availability time. They were first shown at the
NCSA Convention March 10th. If I had to guess, I'd say probably the first
part of 2nd quarter.

--


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SirMusic Studio
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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Rivers wrote:
> > In article <19idnQLr-aChq_zfRVn-qg@comcast.com> arnyk@hotpop.com
> > writes:
> >
> >> I see that some dealers are advertising some of the larger Onyx 80s
> >> (e.g. 32 input).
> >
> > It happens all the time. Catalogs are prepared well before new
> > products are released, but heaven help them if it's not in the
> catalog
> > when it's actually available.
>
> Hence the question - are they really available to regular purchasers?
> You seem to be suggesting not, but hope springs eternal.
>
>

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Bob Savage <bsavage@blacoxbla.net> wrote:
>
>Perhaps the pre's on the 1202VLz are different than the 1604, but I found
>the mic pre's on the 1202, even bypassing the strip and using only the
>insert, to be far from transparent. I've compared them to the pre's on the
>E-MU 1820m breakout box, RME Fireface and the Great River MP-2NV and the
>Mackie lacked on both the top and bottom end in comparison. In other words,
>it seemed as if some top and bottom was being compressed/eliminated.

The 1202 and 1604 preamps are the same, and they aren't all that bad if
you are careful. One of the big problems with them is that they do not
provide much of a load to the mike, so dynamic mikes that are very load
sensitive can sound terrible through them. Another problem is the sonic
change that accompanies a change in the gain... if you keep the trims
within a fairly narrow range you're okay but if you go too high or too
low the sound suffers.

When you consider the total cost of the preamp section on those things
is probably well under $2/channel, you gotta admit that you are getting
a lot for the money. They aren't wonderful, but you can work with
them if you are very careful, which is more than I can say for a lot
of other gear at that price point.
--scott


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In article <fpGdnXj7dZ2WXf7fRVn-vA@rcn.net> rnorman@starpower.net writes:

> I'll check with Chuck Levin's today as I have to go up and pick up my X3
> from repair. They didn't have any the last time I was there. Plus they
> aren't showing the product on their website yet. Oops, yes they are.
> There's a 2480, 3280, 4080 and 4880 in the Onyx product line, but no press
> release I saw actually had availability time. They were first shown at the
> NCSA Convention March 10th.

They had one on display at the AES show in October, but like I said,
it's a while between when something works well enough to display it at
a trade show, when it looks enough like the final product so that they
can take pictures foor the catalog, and when it actually hits the
dealers' shelves. I would think that Washington Music would be pretty
high on the list for getting at least one for display.



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Yeah, but I got stuck doing landscaping stuff yesterday, so I'm off to
Chuck's today.

I'll be back in a couple of hours.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
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"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
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>
> In article <fpGdnXj7dZ2WXf7fRVn-vA@rcn.net> rnorman@starpower.net writes:
>
> > I'll check with Chuck Levin's today as I have to go up and pick up my X3
> > from repair. They didn't have any the last time I was there. Plus they
> > aren't showing the product on their website yet. Oops, yes they are.
> > There's a 2480, 3280, 4080 and 4880 in the Onyx product line, but no
press
> > release I saw actually had availability time. They were first shown at
the
> > NCSA Convention March 10th.
>
> They had one on display at the AES show in October, but like I said,
> it's a while between when something works well enough to display it at
> a trade show, when it looks enough like the final product so that they
> can take pictures foor the catalog, and when it actually hits the
> dealers' shelves. I would think that Washington Music would be pretty
> high on the list for getting at least one for display.
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo