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Anonymous
April 19, 2005 10:24:28 PM

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Hello,

I am trying to get information on two older style tape recorders. I'd
like as much information as I can get about them.

1] One of them was produced in the 1960s. It's not a piece of
equipment that I have in my possession at the moment and so I don't
know if the information I'm providing below is accurate or possibly
misspelled. Does anyone know anything at all about a tape recorder
from the 1960s that was known as a "Cosset Telephonken"? I don't know
if this would have been a cassette or a reel-to-reel tape recorder
(however I'm wondering if perhaps "cosset" might mean cassette in
another language or if this might simply be a misspelling). I don't
know what country this tape recorder was manufactured in.

2] The other tape recorder was produced either in the 1950s, '60s or
'70s. This also is not a piece of equipment that I have, so I hope the
information below is accurate. Know anything at all about a tape
recorder known as the "Huer" 4000 model? I don't know if this would
have been cassette or reel-to-reel. And I don't know whether this
would have been manufactured in the U.S. or in another country.

Would greatly appreciate any and all information on one -- or both --
of these. It's for a very interesting project.

Thanks!

Brad
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 5:46:23 AM

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On 19 Apr 2005 18:24:28 -0700, bkj333@aol.com wrote:

>2] The other tape recorder was produced either in the 1950s, '60s or
>'70s. This also is not a piece of equipment that I have, so I hope the
>information below is accurate. Know anything at all about a tape
>recorder known as the "Huer" 4000 model? I don't know if this would
>have been cassette or reel-to-reel. And I don't know whether this
>would have been manufactured in the U.S. or in another country.

The Uher 4000 was a popular newsgarthering 5 inch reel to reel
recorder from that era. German. Your source is aphasic; no biggie.

Anybody want an Uher 4200? Free (FOB) to a good home.

Chris Hornbeck
"Hum is more than just not knowing the words." -ha
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 5:54:47 AM

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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:46:23 GMT, Chris Hornbeck
<chrishornbeckremovethis@att.net> wrote:

>Anybody want an Uher 4200? Free (FOB) to a good home.

The inevitable PS: neutering is mandatory and de-clawing
is not allowed. Thanks,

Chris Hornbeck
"Hum is more than just not knowing the words." -ha
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Anonymous
April 20, 2005 12:39:03 PM

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<bkj333@aol.com> wrote:
>
>I am trying to get information on two older style tape recorders. I'd
>like as much information as I can get about them.
>
>1] One of them was produced in the 1960s. It's not a piece of
>equipment that I have in my possession at the moment and so I don't
>know if the information I'm providing below is accurate or possibly
>misspelled. Does anyone know anything at all about a tape recorder
>from the 1960s that was known as a "Cosset Telephonken"? I don't know
>if this would have been a cassette or a reel-to-reel tape recorder
>(however I'm wondering if perhaps "cosset" might mean cassette in
>another language or if this might simply be a misspelling). I don't
>know what country this tape recorder was manufactured in.

Telefunken is a German company that has been around since the 1930s
and is still more or less around. They made hundreds of different
model tape machines over the years. They made everything from high
end studio recorders to cheap portable junk. I have no idea what "cosset"
is, but the name of the company was mangled enough that I could imagine
it might be an equivalent mangling of cassette.

>2] The other tape recorder was produced either in the 1950s, '60s or
>'70s. This also is not a piece of equipment that I have, so I hope the
>information below is accurate. Know anything at all about a tape
>recorder known as the "Huer" 4000 model? I don't know if this would
>have been cassette or reel-to-reel. And I don't know whether this
>would have been manufactured in the U.S. or in another country.

That is a Uher 4000. It's German. Uher actually made a whole bunch of
different machines in the sixties through the eighties in that series,
starting with the Uher 4000 Report-L that was germanium-based, and going
on to the 4000 Monitor-IC which was an IC-based machine with three heads.
These took 5" reels, were half-track mono up to 7.5 ips, and were basically
what people bought if they couldn't afford a Nagra.

These are still supported, and Saul Mineroff Electronics in Valley Stream
NY can sell you complete manual sets for any of the models.

>Would greatly appreciate any and all information on one -- or both --
>of these. It's for a very interesting project.

What is it?
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 8:08:07 PM

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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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> Jim Gregory <jim.greg@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> No, the Magnetophon was made by AEG, one of Telefunken's big competitors.
> They're still around too, and make big electrical switchgear among other
> things.

Sorry, Scott.

"Das magnetophon" is german for tape recorder, though it did come frome a
warenzeichen (trademark, aspirin, anyone?). Telefunken and AEG are, of
course, both German manufacturers.

There are pictures here http://antiqueradio.org/tele02.htm and here
http://www.bassboy.com.au/getreel/site/samples/vintage/... for
example.

Dave O'Heare
oheareATmagmaDOTca
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 10:26:47 PM

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bkj333@aol.com wrote:

>2] The other tape recorder was produced either in the 1950s, '60s or
>'70s. This also is not a piece of equipment that I have, so I hope the
>information below is accurate. Know anything at all about a tape
>recorder known as the "Huer" 4000 model? I don't know if this would
>have been cassette or reel-to-reel. And I don't know whether this
>would have been manufactured in the U.S. or in another country.

The Uher 4000 series had been introduced in the mid 60s. Most famous
was the 4000 REPORT series, portable 5" multispeed tape recorders that
made a line of pro and consumer recorders. 4000 was the mono model, the
4200 a stereo recorder, the 4400 (consumer only) was a 4 track mono,
2 track stereo recorder. The pro series had an optional pilot track.
A decks were made in Germany.

Currently about 15 pieces are offered at www.ebay.de. Try
http://search.ebay.de/uher-4000_Audio-Hi-Fi_W0QQcatrefZ...

Norbert
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 10:26:48 PM

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Norbert Hahn <hahn@hrzpub.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:
>bkj333@aol.com wrote:
>
>>2] The other tape recorder was produced either in the 1950s, '60s or
>>'70s. This also is not a piece of equipment that I have, so I hope the
>>information below is accurate. Know anything at all about a tape
>>recorder known as the "Huer" 4000 model? I don't know if this would
>>have been cassette or reel-to-reel. And I don't know whether this
>>would have been manufactured in the U.S. or in another country.
>
>The Uher 4000 series had been introduced in the mid 60s. Most famous
>was the 4000 REPORT series, portable 5" multispeed tape recorders that
>made a line of pro and consumer recorders. 4000 was the mono model, the
>4200 a stereo recorder, the 4400 (consumer only) was a 4 track mono,
>2 track stereo recorder. The pro series had an optional pilot track.
>A decks were made in Germany.

As I recall, the pilot tone model wasn't called a 4000, even though it
had the same body casting.... I want to say it was a 1200?
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Anonymous
April 21, 2005 3:20:14 AM

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On 20 Apr 2005 12:32:26 -0400, Scott Dorsey wrote:

>Norbert Hahn <hahn@hrzpub.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:
>>The Uher 4000 series had been introduced in the mid 60s. Most famous
>>was the 4000 REPORT series, portable 5" multispeed tape recorders that
>>made a line of pro and consumer recorders. 4000 was the mono model, the
>>4200 a stereo recorder, the 4400 (consumer only) was a 4 track mono,
>>2 track stereo recorder. The pro series had an optional pilot track.
>>A decks were made in Germany.
>
>As I recall, the pilot tone model wasn't called a 4000, even though it
>had the same body casting.... I want to say it was a 1200?
>--scott

Thanks, you're right. I found a well sorted list of tape recorders
made by UHER and Braun. The links given there point to replacement
parts, most of them still available today.

Norbert
Anonymous
April 21, 2005 3:31:13 AM

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On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:08:07 -0400, Dave O'Heare wrote:

>
>"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:D 4608l$pch$1@panix2.panix.com...
>> Jim Gregory <jim.greg@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> No, the Magnetophon was made by AEG, one of Telefunken's big competitors.
>> They're still around too, and make big electrical switchgear among other
>> things.
>
>Sorry, Scott.
>
>"Das magnetophon" is german for tape recorder, though it did come frome a
>warenzeichen (trademark, aspirin, anyone?). Telefunken and AEG are, of
>course, both German manufacturers.

Telefunken was founded on Mai, 27th 1903 by AEG and Siemens to cover
wireless telegraphy. Siemens left Telefunken by 1941. Later, in 1967
Telefunken and AEG merged to a company names AEG-Telefunken. That
name changed back in 1985 to AEG while parts of the Telefunken
business was bought by Thomson, a French company. Daimler-Benz took
over the part of AEG - until 1996. At that time AEG was broken into
tiny pieces, the name went to Electrolux, Sweden.
For more details see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telefunken_AG
and http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEG_%28Unternehmen%29

Norbert
Anonymous
April 21, 2005 3:31:14 AM

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I thought I was right about the Telefunken make. AEG possibly chipped in.

Telefunken made decent mics too, old pix and footage confirm them (with a
logo) placed in front of
Third Reich propagandists. Long before Neumann and Beyer came along.
Don't know if they were dynamic, ribbon or capacitor types.
Jim

"Norbert Hahn" <NorbertHahn@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:72id6110iibc6ddv6ik464jsrgbk39vbrr@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 16:08:07 -0400, Dave O'Heare wrote:
>
>>
>>"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
>>news:D 4608l$pch$1@panix2.panix.com...
>>> Jim Gregory <jim.greg@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No, the Magnetophon was made by AEG, one of Telefunken's big
>>> competitors.
>>> They're still around too, and make big electrical switchgear among other
>>> things.
>>
>>Sorry, Scott.
>>
>>"Das magnetophon" is german for tape recorder, though it did come frome a
>>warenzeichen (trademark, aspirin, anyone?). Telefunken and AEG are, of
>>course, both German manufacturers.
>
> Telefunken was founded on Mai, 27th 1903 by AEG and Siemens to cover
> wireless telegraphy. Siemens left Telefunken by 1941. Later, in 1967
> Telefunken and AEG merged to a company names AEG-Telefunken. That
> name changed back in 1985 to AEG while parts of the Telefunken
> business was bought by Thomson, a French company. Daimler-Benz took
> over the part of AEG - until 1996. At that time AEG was broken into
> tiny pieces, the name went to Electrolux, Sweden.
> For more details see http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telefunken_AG
> and http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEG_%28Unternehmen%29
>
> Norbert
>
Anonymous
April 21, 2005 6:37:15 PM

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The Pilot was a film-sync facility to the Uher1000; it had over 3 heads.
Uher *whatever* bodies looked the same (like the VW Beetle series concept
which never really looked that different) externally.
I believe the 1200 was a two-track/stereo 3-head version. There was the
special/pro "V" full-track Broadcaster 3-head version, without Pilot and
with 600 Ohm line-sending o/p . I serviced many of them.
The 4000 Report (1/2 track) 4-speed was the universal m/c. Earlier than
that, there was a Uher portable made with a white decor, maybe before the
4000-S.

"Norbert Hahn" <NorbertHahn@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:5ghd619acb3c680nrauies7ts512es4cfo@4ax.com...
> On 20 Apr 2005 12:32:26 -0400, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>>Norbert Hahn <hahn@hrzpub.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote:
>>>The Uher 4000 series had been introduced in the mid 60s. Most famous
>>>was the 4000 REPORT series, portable 5" multispeed tape recorders that
>>>made a line of pro and consumer recorders. 4000 was the mono model, the
>>>4200 a stereo recorder, the 4400 (consumer only) was a 4 track mono,
>>>2 track stereo recorder. The pro series had an optional pilot track.
>>>A decks were made in Germany.
>>
>>As I recall, the pilot tone model wasn't called a 4000, even though it
>>had the same body casting.... I want to say it was a 1200?
>>--scott
>
> Thanks, you're right. I found a well sorted list of tape recorders
> made by UHER and Braun. The links given there point to replacement
> parts, most of them still available today.
>
> Norbert
>
Anonymous
April 21, 2005 8:25:34 PM

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Norbert Hahn <NorbertHahn@gmx.net> wrote:

>Thanks, you're right. I found a well sorted list of tape recorders
>made by UHER and Braun. The links given there point to replacement
>parts, most of them still available today.

Ups, the URL was missing:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/bavariansoldier/UHER/

Other points of interest:

http://www.tonbandwelt.de/shop/cd3info.htm

contains a list of test done long time ago by German magazines.

Norbert
Anonymous
April 22, 2005 4:38:39 PM

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Chris, Scott, Chris, Dave, Norbert,

Greatly appreciate your information!

I'm wondering if perhaps there might be a picture or illustration
somewhere on the Internet (or perhaps even in a book or magazine) that
features what the various Telefunken portable cassette tape recorders
looked like in the 1960s. Unfortunately I've found nothing like that as
yet concerning the cassette models.

Didn't know if you might happen to have such photograph(s) or
diagram(s) -- or if you might know of a web site or two that would have
that -- but if so, I sure would love to see them.

I'll probably need to check with Telefunken itself concerning pictures
or illustrations of old portable cassette tape recorders, but I have
found in the past that usually this sort of thing takes such a long
time. Also, because Telefunken has gone through various mergers and
other corporate changes over the years, I kind of wonder if the company
today operating under the "Telefunken" name would even have any
pictures of the various portable recorders manufactured decades ago.

Anyway, thank you all your notes!

Brad
bkj333@aol.com
Anonymous
April 23, 2005 2:15:41 AM

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Hi Norbert Hahn,

Appreciate your note. I just checked both those links to the museum
web site. Unfortunately, I was unable to find anything concerning
Telefunken cassette tape recorders.

Did I somehow manage to miss something?

Thanks,

Brad
Anonymous
April 23, 2005 3:55:41 AM

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bkj333@aol.com wrote:

>I'll probably need to check with Telefunken itself concerning pictures
>or illustrations of old portable cassette tape recorders, but I have
>found in the past that usually this sort of thing takes such a long
>time.

Via http://www.radiomuseum.org I found a link to Telefunken tape recorders:

http://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_forum_post.cfm?thread_id...

HTH
Norbert
Anonymous
April 23, 2005 1:50:59 PM

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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 23:55:41 +0200, Norbert Hahn <NorbertHahn@gmx.net>
wrote:

----------------8<----------------
>http://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_forum_post.cfm?thread_id...
>
>HTH
>Norbert

Cute! -- This is a translation of instructions for demagnetizing a
head of, I presume, a Normende tape recorder. It must be a quite old
gear, tube maybe. This is a somewhat risky procedure as it involves
mains voltage area so don't try it at home (blah but I had to tell
it). I translated it as close to the German original so the
translation is not "styled":


Demagnetizing a Reproduce/Record Head.

It is important for an accurate functioning of a tape recorder that
the reproduce/record head has no remanent magnetism whatsoever. An
unwanted magnetisation appears by the use of magnetized tools or by
lack of a due care during repairworks. The remanent magnetism in a
head is recognized by an uneven noise at the reproduction of an erased
band.

Demagnetization of a head can be carried out as follows. A paper
condenser, approx. 0.25 uF / 250 V DC, charged by a DC source (eg. at
the mains filter electrolytic capacitors of the tape recorder) is
shortly connected in parallel to contacts 1 and 4 of the monitor
socket (V 302). This procedure is to be repeated several times, for
the track 1-4 as well as the track 3 - 2.*


* I think they meant the two head pins for each of the stereo tracks.

Edi Zubovic, Crikvenica, Croatia
Anonymous
June 15, 2009 7:03:46 PM

hi there
UHER-4400REPORTSTEREO

i have my late brothers huer 4400 reporter stereo reel to reel
am wanting to sell it and am currently trying to find out how much it's worth
any ideas where i can try and sell it?
did you get any info?
here is site you most probably got in yr google search on the manual repair

http://www.user-manuals.com/service-manual-UHER-4400REP...

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-14...


hope this is helpful to you
cheers

hoh321@gmail.com
!