FitalyStamp

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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 01:32:15 GMT, Scott had this to say...


>
> Any observations or experience with this? They claim 50-80 wpm using their
> system (compared to 15-30 wpm using graffiti).
>
> here's web reference if you are curious:
>
> http://www.fitaly.com/fsinfo/fsnotebn.htm
>
>

The program works as advertised, caused me no problems when I tried it.

I prefer Graffitti.

You either love it or hate it. It is a personal preference.

It's like asking someone else if you should eat chocolate or vanilla ice
cream.

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"Scott" <lshugh@hotmail.com.nospam> wrote in message
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>
> Any observations or experience with this? They claim 50-80 wpm using their
> system (compared to 15-30 wpm using graffiti).
>
> here's web reference if you are curious:
>
> http://www.fitaly.com/fsinfo/fsnotebn.htm
>
I tried this long ago and went back to graffiti as I found it easier. And no I don't
believe their stats except after practicing the same phrase over and over.

Adam

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Nic <rumpoleX@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> Take a look at quicktype
> http://quicktype.sourceforge.net
>

bookmarked for more leisurely look.. appears interesting.

-S-

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"Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> I tried this long ago and went back to graffiti as I found it easier.
> And no I don't believe their stats except after practicing the same
> phrase over and over.
>
>

One of my regrets is that I never made friends with a Dvorak keyboard, I
thought this might be in that category. Did you try it with their earlier
version?

-S-

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"Scott" <lshugh@hotmail.com.nospam> wrote in message
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> "Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:e0sFc.3371$R36.536@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
> > I tried this long ago and went back to graffiti as I found it easier.
> > And no I don't believe their stats except after practicing the same
> > phrase over and over.
> >
> >
>
> One of my regrets is that I never made friends with a Dvorak keyboard, I
> thought this might be in that category. Did you try it with their earlier
> version?
>
> -S-

The last time I tried FitalyStamp was about 4 years ago on my Visor Platinum, and I
did have their stick-on stamp.

In addition to my previous comments the Fitaly is optimized for European languages,
and not for the US.

I now use TealScript (OS5) and occassionally use TextPlus.

Adam

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Scott wrote:

>
> Any observations or experience with this? They claim 50-80 wpm using
> their system (compared to 15-30 wpm using graffiti).
>
> here's web reference if you are curious:
>
> http://www.fitaly.com/fsinfo/fsnotebn.htm

I'm a big fan, Scott. I'm now using Fitaly Virtual on a Sony Clie TH55,
and it's absolutely fabulous. On my old T615, I've used Fitaly Stamp,
and the experience was much the same. I can't speak to speed ratings,
but with minimal practice, it's much easier (for me, at any rate) to
enter lots of text with FS or FV than it would be if using Graffiti.

BTW, someone mentioned that a drifting digitizer would be a problem.
Not necessarily so, since FS and FV allow adjusting the mapping of the
Fitaly overlay to the digitizer.

Good luck.

-jeff

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I found it very interesting to read the various reactions to Fitaly. I
disagree with the person who does not believe it is optimized for
English.

I have had Fitaly Stamp on my m500 and its predecessor for several
years. I never became a speed demon on it; just didn't want to put in
that much drill. But, I measure my speed a 22 wpm, a speed I can't
match with graffiti. To put this in context, I can easily do 70 wpm on
a keyboard. Let me put it this way: I have two keyboards for the Palm,
the thin one with only three rows of keys, but which has the advantage
that I can use it on my lap, and the folding one that is a full keyboard
but must be used on a flat surface. I use the Palm as a note taker at
meetings, while all my colleagues use lap tops and have to find a place
to plug in their extension cords. Well, there was one session of a
conference with only auditorium seating and this was before I had
purchased the three-row keyboard. I took copious notes via Fitaly Stamp
and felt comfortable doing it. No way would I have written that much
material using graffiti.

Herb



Jim Anderson <fro2750@frontiernet.my_finger.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 13:12:28 GMT, Scott had this to say...
>
>
> > Jim Anderson <fro2750@frontiernet.my_finger.net> wrote in
> > news:MPG.1b4fdada467582de98978a@news.frontiernet.net:
> >
> > > The program works as advertised, caused me no problems when I tried
> > > it.
> > >
> > > I prefer Graffitti.
> > >
> > > You either love it or hate it. It is a personal preference.
> > >
> > > It's like asking someone else if you should eat chocolate or vanilla
> > > ice cream.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > It appeared to be a like or dislike sort of thing, but I am drawn by
> > their claims of speed. There are times that I keep notes during
> > meetings and such and would like a faster method. I figured I would
> > fish for info thru the newsgroups before trying the demo, etc.
> >
> > -S-
> >
>
> My main objection is you must look at the screen to type/gesture. With
> Graffitti I take notes without looking at the screen, correction the few
> mistakes after the meeting.

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Previously on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, Adam Helberg said:

; In addition to my previous comments the Fitaly is optimized for European languages,
; and not for the US.

How do you figure? It can enter non-English characters, but you have
to specifically tell it to.

btw, Textware, the developer, is physically located about 30 minutes
north of Boston, MA, USA.

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"Jeffrey Kaplan" <cspp@gordol.org> wrote in message
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> Previously on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, Adam Helberg said:
>
> ; In addition to my previous comments the Fitaly is optimized for European
languages,
> ; and not for the US.
>
> How do you figure? It can enter non-English characters, but you have
> to specifically tell it to.
>
> btw, Textware, the developer, is physically located about 30 minutes
> north of Boston, MA, USA.

I believe Fitaly was developed by Benc (a Croatian) and Jean Ichbiah. It has a few
years now since I used it, but I recall if I wanted a common special character I
invoked a soft keyboard that was inundated by European accented characters and had to
search for my character among the mess that I never used.

I suggested to Jean Ichbiach that the soft keyboards be customizable but he was firm
that all keyboards including the soft keyboards be fixed. And the soft keyboards were
dominated by European characters, whether you ever used them or not.

Adam

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Hi Jeffrey!

>The digitizer on my Kyocera 7135 "drifted", and the Fitaly overlay for
>this device does not have calibration markers. Using the approximate
>positions provided by Fitaly's support made matters worse. If they
>print new overlays with the calibration marks on them, I'll re-enable
>the software. Until then, I'm back to using Graffiti 2.

(background info...)
The Kyocera's unusual in that it has two digitizers; one for the normal screen
area and a *different* one for the Graffiti area. (the Kyocera 7135's a
clamshell design cellphone; the display on the upper half, the Graffiti area on
the lower half)


If I remember right, Fitaly interferes with the calibration process; it's best
to turn Fitaly off when you calibrate the Kyocera, then turn Fitaly on again and
do the Fitaly calibration (in the Fitaly 'i' menu).

Yeah, I agree... it needs some improvement...


There's a picture of the Graffiti-area calibration points at
http://fitaly.com/board/palmfitaly/posts/4347.html


- Al -

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Previously on comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, Alan Jay Weiner said:

; If I remember right, Fitaly interferes with the calibration process; it's best
; to turn Fitaly off when you calibrate the Kyocera, then turn Fitaly on again and
; do the Fitaly calibration (in the Fitaly 'i' menu).

Yes, I realize that. The problem is that the Fitaly overlay hides the
spots used by the digitizer calibration. If the overlay is slightly
skewed physically, calibration can "fix" it so that the digitizer will
look for the skewed input... but only if the calibration taps are in
the right places.

Since there are no calibration marks, I have to guess which makes
matters worse. Removing the overlay to calibrate is no good, because
when I reapply a new one it's skewed and does not line up right.
Lather, rinse, repeat.

; There's a picture of the Graffiti-area calibration points at
; http://fitaly.com/board/palmfitaly/posts/4347.html

Yeah, I've seen it. That's what customer support sent me.

Actually, at this point I have no idea where my remaining overlays are.
Since I effectively cannot use the software until I can get overlays
with calibration marks on them, it's no big loss.

If/when such are available, is it possible to order just the overlays?
I just took a look at the orders page and it looks like the only way to
order refills is with a purchase of the software, which I already own.

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