Jef what does this mean

Help me out Jef , i am confused with these statistics .

Who's in first place Jef , and it looks like the Cubs are doing great ( they are not in last place ) . WOW how about them cubbies . Maybe if you would quit levitating from hotel room to hotel room you could suport them Cubs more , at least till they fold at the end of the season .

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Haha LOL!! Uh-oh, be on the lookout for some mad faces.

What surprises me is Houston. They suck.

This more readable? Wouldn't want Jef to miss any of it.
<b><pre>Team W L PCT GB HOME AWAY DIV STREAK
St. Louis 73 38 .658 --- 36-21 37-17 38-24 Won 6
Chicago Cubs 61 51 .545 12.5 31-22 30-29 32-31 Lost 2
Houston 55 57 .491 18.5 29-31 26-26 30-27 Lost 3
Cincinnati 54 58 .482 19.5 29-24 25-34 25-32 Lost 1
Milwaukee 53 58 .477 20.0 28-27 25-31 23-33 Won 2
Pittsburgh 52 58 .473 20.5 27-26 25-32 27-28 Won 3</pre><p></b>

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I'm rooting for an Arizona Diamondbacks and Kansas City Royals World Series.

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Jef is rooting for the Cubs against the Cubs , that way he would have a winner heh heh .

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*sniff, sniff*

Kinda like Mark Prior 2004.

<font color=blue>War</font color=blue> <font color=orange>Eagle</font color=orange>
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Hell, they gotta make it to the wild card first. I was actually looking forward to the Central being closer to the end, myself.

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Well, you've got the choice of lettin' San Fran or San Diego snag it.....

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The Cubs will take the wild card by like 4 games.

San Fran isn't even good enough to lick my sack. Barry Bonds....please.
Someone answer me this...how come barry tore up the home run race for 2years in a row almost doubling people, and as soon as BALCO came under fire suddenly he isn't even leading baseball let a lone doubling people?
The ONLY person i respect in SF, is Schmitt(sp). The rest can all go burn in hell

I am still waiting for Seattle to make a run....ok, maybe not this year. Stupid A's, Angel's and Rangers. HOW DARE THEY MAKE A FOOL OF MY TERRIBLE TEAM!

What do you call a group of midgets? A pack, gaggle, a pride, or maybe just a murder?

I was talking about doubling good HR hitters...not doubling 2nd place. I said his HR's were WAY down....and they are. He has 30, he is 7th in baseball. How can you go from DOMINATING the HR race to being 7th? You can't possibly say that he is anywhere near his HR stature of 2yrs ago when he was roid'd up.

Also i think most of this is psychological. Pitchers are afraid of him so when they pitch to him they try tp put too much on it, and they thrown him balls that are easier to hit then batting practice. Look at the HR he hits, most of them are left up and about 80MPH. if you threw Pujols the same pitches as bonds he would be killing the ball too.

btw...How about my home boy Ichiro? He is tearing up baseball. 1st in BA....he is such an underrated player all around baseball. I would bet he is the fastest person in baseball and has a top 3 arm(even including pitchers). Its amazing that out of this area most people lump him in with that Bum of a SS for the Mets that has like 20+errors.

What do you call a group of midgets? A pack, gaggle, a pride, or maybe just a murder?

Current info on some of the HR leaders and AB per HR:

<b><pre>Player HR / AB AB per HR
Bonds 30 / 260 <font color=red>8.67</font color=red>
Dunn 35 / 391 11.17
Thome 35 / 382 10.91
Pujols 32 / 413 12.91
Beltre 31 / 408 13.16
Burnitz 31 / 464 14.97
Konerko 29 / 384 13.24
</pre><p></b>

Ya notice Bonds has only struck out 23 times this year? Yeah, Ichiro finally got things going. Was wondering there for a while.

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Uhh, yeah, most people do struggle against those pitchers. Can't hit <i>good</i> pitching? That's not the comparison you made. You compared him against, basically, the BEST several pitchers.

Of course he hit more longballs when he was bigger. The bigger, stronger guys have the ability to hit balls farther. That's how it works. The funniest thing I see people do is compare an early picture of him (~87) to a picture of him around 2001 or now. That's 14+ freakin' years to bulk up. That's a LOT of time, ESPECIALLY having the resources of a big league sports team.

Yes, pitchers and managers are afraid of him. With good reason. He crushes the ball. If you gave him as many ABs as Pujols has right now, his ABperHR numbers project out to 47 HRs.

Hey, I think he's an a-hole. I don't like him a bit. But I respect his abilities.

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Its amazing that people like Hank Arron, Willie Mays, Ted Williams, Pete Rose, and all other great hitters were NEVER HUGE. Hitting has more to do with timing then it has to do with strength. I wouldn't compare 87 to 2004. I woudl compare 1998 to 2002. thats 4years and the size is noticable.

you are right, i said people with good stuff can beat hit easily. I wish i could look it up, but Ted Williams, Ruth, and Arron....against the top 5pitchers at that time. and i garentee they bat more then .170

I respect him as a 'good' HR hitter, but NOT a great one or even top 5 hitters of all time, and i would be hard pressed to even make him in the top 10.

What do you call a group of midgets? A pack, gaggle, a pride, or maybe just a murder?

there are millions of things i can't do that others can.....i just get upset when he is mentioned as being a great hitter and possibly the best of all time.
i think he will fade in history as a good hitter in a hitter's era. I think that the media want a super hero type personality. Jordan is gone, Tiger isn't looking like the greatest of all time now, Football is having all time greats retire without a familiar face comming up challanging the reocrds or anything.

Who cars if he cheated? i don't. He is a scummy guy who is self centered. If he took roids, then he is a cheater. if he didn't, then its amazing what he is doing at 40. But just because we dont have a positive test doesn't mean he isn't on roids. Of all the people who have said they did roid's none of those guys had pos. tests either.

Time will tell....in 30yrs if nothing has come up i will think he is a better man then i do now. But he has NO built up trust with me.
baseball is insane, pete rose is banned from baseball for gambling....and Steve howe came back 7times from LIFETIME BANS. How can you have more then 1 life time ban? he CAME BACK for 7 of them

What do you call a group of midgets? A pack, gaggle, a pride, or maybe just a murder?

I'm not arguing any of those points. I don't give a rat's ass about trust with him. Like I said, I think he's an a-hole. I detest him as a person. I am impressed with him as a player. That's all.


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Doing less than great against St. Louis is to be expected by all this year. The Cards are great. The Cards kick ass.

Again, you're the only one discussing this point.


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OK, I gotta jump in....

Those guys probably did hit more than a buck seventy against good pitching, but the also had more than 17 at bats!! One more hit and he would be at .230. Two more hits and he is almost at .300! You chose one year against like 5 great pitchers... How about this... What is Bond over the last 5 years against the top 5 or 10 pitchers?

[P.S. Gee, two of the five people on that list play for the Cubs! Saweeet![/pre]



<font color=blue>GO CUBS GO!</font color=blue>
<font color=red>GO CUBS GO!</font color=red>

I'd rather be at Wrigley Field!

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I swear to god i didn't use only bad ones. its not MY fault he only has 17 AB for those pitchers this season. (btw he hasn't hit against Wood all year, but i did look him up so 3 top pitchers for them)

You're right, i could look up 5yr averages....but i didn't want to look up 5yrs individually and then add them together and figure it out for each pitcher. Also the list of pitchers who have been GREAT for 5yrs is even shorter. Wood and Prior had some times when they were new to MLB when they gave up a lot of runs. Calling them GREAT when they were rookies....then what would they be today? Super duper uper pooper good?

If someone wants to look up 5yr averages for Johnson, Schill, Maddox, Glavine, and...well i dont even know who else has been GREAT for 5yrs and a NL pitcher the whole time.
Clemons, Pettite were AL, Prior and Woods were too young 5yrs ago.....i dont know.

you are right, i SHOULD have looked up multiple years. But i am lazy and MLB.com doesn't have a 5yr feature....just year by year.

I'm sorry....I will look up 5yr averages for Bonds, give me ALL the pitchers you want to know. I am kind of curious myself now. Unit, Schill, Maddox, Glavine(maybe), who else do you want added to this?

What do you call a group of midgets? A pack, gaggle, a pride, or maybe just a murder?

Pretty good? You picked some interesting choices.....Saberhagen, W Miller....Miller is good now but wasn't good throughout his whole career.

Also like i said its not fair to compare Johnson's career for Bonds and Woods career. because Johnson went through growing pains in Seattle and in the AL not facing him. Wood had to face him durring his growing pains.
You are bascially comparing Johnson's prime to Wood's learning curve.

This is very interesting, seeing all of this lined up like that i see some interesting combinations....like,

Pedro. Bonds is 333, which is GREAT against pedro...but pedro has 8K's in 33AB....4.125AM per K.
Wow, these are very interesting....I would love to watch a couple of these matchups every day.

500+ OBP are all young people who had to go through growing pains in Bonds hitting prime...well all but Hoffman.

Like i said, Bonds is a Good HR hitter and a way above average hitter hitter in general. But i was going on a tangent. I hear from people all the time about how he is the best hitter of all time and all that. I was just saying he is overrated. Just because BB is overrated doesn't mean he isn't a GOOD hitter.
I wouldn't ever put him top 5 and he might squeek into top 10 hitters of all time. So thats why i get mad when people say he is #1.

Alright, here is a question to ponder...with all these stats, who do you want to go vs Bonds?
i would go with Unit or Schill...probably Schill, gotta love that man.

What do you call a group of midgets? A pack, gaggle, a pride, or maybe just a murder?

When i am beaten i am beaten....You are totally right

He can hit it...for Johnson he can hit it about 25% of the time and for Schill about 29% of the time and for schill...26% of the time and for maddox 28% of the time, Cone 18% of the time and for Gange 25% of the time.


Come on...i said he was a good hitter but DEF. not top 5 and maybe not top 10. I am not saying he is a terrible hitter.
Are you trying to say he is the greatest of all time or even top 5? With those i would have a disagreement with. For top 10 is a coin flip and i could live with him being 8,9, or 10.

Saberhagen...lol, it must have been a low year for people retiring. 59% winning record? 3 seasons with a 600 or higer ERA, 8 winning seasons (one was 2-1) in 17 seasons.
Wow, and they wont let Goose in or Rose.....the HoF is a Joke.

What do you call a group of midgets? A pack, gaggle, a pride, or maybe just a murder?

Thats why i said the last 5yrs...not careeer. Yes i would exclude all rookie growing periods. Even BB would grow and be excluded from that. I was looking to compare BB at his prime against the top pitchers of his prime. An even comparison i would think.

I would say that BB hits good/great pitching alright, which is A LOT better then most power hitters, and he SPANKS THE HELL out of bad pitching. Now all of this is what he should be doing.

I never intended on whining....i was just interested in the #'s and what kind of corrilation i could find in there if any. You want to make broad sweeping statements about it.

I have to admit after seeing the #'s you brought up and even my own research i have come to admire his abilities more. I am open to new ideas all the time.
You brought the facts, backed them up, and made some good points and ultimatly changed my view. Whats the point of being ridged?

I always enjoy debating the in's and out's of baseball. certin matchups and where people rank. I thank you for your insight.

What do you call a group of midgets? A pack, gaggle, a pride, or maybe just a murder?

LOL!
i am not much of a fan of College football, i like college backetball...
I am not into football too much. Esp the college system...too much ambiguity. I am not talking only about the #1....but what if my fav team is randomly ranked 3rd and my buddies is ranked 4th? That would be an argument right there...
An 8team playoff would eliminate a lot of arguments about the #1 team and it would better rank 3-8 as well.

Just one person's opinion who doesn't watch or follow the college football system that closely

What do you call a group of midgets? A pack, gaggle, a pride, or maybe just a murder?

get the [-peep-] out of other section.

get the phukk out. thats blasphemy. you are now sent to wingdingium.


Dh take care of this clown for me.

"Never underestimate the predictability of Stupidity."
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LMAO.

"Never underestimate the predictability of Stupidity."
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he is agnostic, that doesnt mean he doesnt believe in other worlds.

"Never underestimate the predictability of Stupidity."
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ask him.

"Never underestimate the predictability of Stupidity."
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i think u ruined youre own joke b4 u even typed it.

"Never underestimate the predictability of Stupidity."
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