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March 9, 2006 10:03:19 PM

Good Day! I am currently looking for a mid-price performance laptop. I am currently looking at a Dell Inspiron E1705. Intel Core Duo processor T2400 (1.83GHz), 1GB DDR2 @ 667MHz, 256MB ATI X1400, 17" UXGA, 60GB 7200RPM HDD, and bluetooth. It is currently booking at around $2000. My questions are: 1. is the duo better for gaming than a single core processer at a higher speed, i.e. 2.5GHz, 2. How much difference does the faster HDD and RAM make, and if I had to choose, which of the two would make the most difference, 3. Is there a better laptop with these specs out there for a similar/less price? Any thoughts would be great Thanks!
March 10, 2006 1:47:42 PM

The dual core isn't going to do that much for gaming right now, as the software needs to be written to exploit dual core performance.

A single core processor at a higher speed would be "better" for gaming (if I understand you correctly).

As far as the RAM vs. faster hard drive issue, that's tougher. If you have at least a Gig of RAM in the system go with the faster hard drive, if less than a GIG... you really need that first. It may make more sense to just get DELL's stock hard drive and upgrade later because they completely rip you off on the upgrades. You may also want to look at a Turion 64 bit notebook for gaming.

March 10, 2006 8:04:11 PM

Your wrong on the dual core. You say dual core not good for gaming No it better for gaming. Here why.

1 it uses less battery power
2 One cpu can play the game while the other cpu dose desktop tasks.
3 One cpu can run Max to high end while the other cpu runs Low end tasks in simi sleep mod.

My acer travilmate 4200 runs for about 4 hours while playing muisc and games.
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March 10, 2006 10:02:08 PM

Before you buy that dell, take a look at hp. I just recently ordered a laptop for college and was very impressed by how much I saved by going with hp. I got a laptop for 1660ish and it has a core duo 2.0ghz a Geforce 7400 go 1gb of ddr2 533mhz and all that intel wireless stuff you were talking about.
March 10, 2006 10:37:41 PM

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Your wrong on the dual core. You say dual core not good for gaming No it better for gaming. Here why.
1 it uses less battery power

That is the absolute dumbest thing I have ever heard. WHY on Earth would you think it uses less battery power? That is the MAJOR drawback of Dual Core. Article "So compared to the Pentium M, the dual-core chip draws around 20% more maximum power..."

? What are you talking about? He asked a specific question about gaming, so he is serious about it, he isn't gaming and alt+tab'ing from his game to his masters thesis. He’s GAMING, where a faster single core processor will whip up on your goof ball dual core!

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3 One cpu can run Max to high end while the other cpu runs Low end tasks in simi sleep mod.


You're not even remotely addressing his question. At no point in your incoherent broken English ramblings, did you even come close to an intelligent thought. I award you no points, may God have mercy on your soul.

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My acer travilmate 4200 runs for about 4 hours while playing muisc and games.

That's pretty amazing considering the Acer Travelmate 4200 you are talking about has a freaking 6 cell bettery, and the MAX advertised life (which you know was in a lab under the best conditions ever) says it can get almost 3 hours.
March 11, 2006 12:20:10 AM

Was it a HP Pavilion, or HP Compaq? :?:
March 12, 2006 6:40:20 PM

Mech, dragabain was talking about HP dv8000t laptop. Link

I think gaming will take advantage of dual core in couple of years or so. I would recommend to get Dell XPS M170 with coupons for less than 2k dollars.
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March 14, 2006 9:34:43 AM

Okay here is my 2 bits (if that really means anything). I have looked alot at laptops for the last month or so. I see that Killernotebooks has made his point, which by the way seems to be very intelligent. I have looked at the E1705 notebook that you are asking about and it seems to be an interesting setup.

First, before I get side tracked, please google "Dell laptop coupons" before you buy the Dell laptop. It can save you upwards of $650 on at $1999 configured laptop, so don't buy directly until you use the coupon.

Second, from the information that I have read, the x1400 fits somewhere between at nVidia 6600 and an ATI x700 video card. If I understand it correctly, the x1400 has better (more up to date) rendering than the x700. I'm not sure if that is really a critical issue with your decision, but I thought that I would mention it.

Third, Yes the E1705 has the new Dual Core Intel chip, which might be important to you, but I'm not 100% it is better than the AMD Turion. You can probably find hype more from the Intel side than you will from the AMD side.

I personally think that if your going to buy today or shortly, you might want to look at the 64bit capability of the AMD Turion. You might not think it is a major deal breaker right now, but if in 6-12 months from now, you end up wanting to install the new Windows Vista program you might think twice at what you bought. This might not be an issue for you, but I thought that you might want to consider this when making you decision.

I also think that Intel is waiting to release the 64bit version of the Dual Core until Windows Vista is released. I know that Microsoft and Intel work together closely and try and time each others releases, so each one benefits themselves. If I were a betting man, Intel release the Duo Core (32bit), because they were getting beat up from the AMD (64bit) side for some time.

I normally don't feel compelled enough to logon and register to voice (type) my opinion, but these types of subjects seem to make me do it. And trust me when I say there is ALOT of Intel hype concerning there new chips (I work with alot of people that believe the hype). Don't get me wrong though, the latest Intel chip is an improvement over the previous one.

So hopefully my 2 bits will help you in your decision. I know that I'm currently looking for an affordable laptop ($900-$1,100) that I can play the latest games on (I know, that is almost impossible to do on that budget).

One last thing, Killer knows what he's talking about when it comes to the upgrade costs for the Dell's. If you can at all possible, order the minimum amount of ram/hard drive, that you can and install your own RAM or Hard drive. Please use the 7400rpm units if at all possible, it will improve your playing speed. By installing the upgrades yourself, you will save you a bundle. If you don't like to do those things or are not comfortable doing it, then by all means just order what you want. If you have any doubts, you can use this forum to hopefully straighten you thoughts alittle.
I hope that you will feel more informed and can make a more intelligent decision.
March 14, 2006 3:25:36 PM

The biggest thing that is really eating me up right now is the fact that I went into BestBuy yesterday looking at laptops and pretty much decided that I don't want anything with a 17" screen. For me, its too big. Now I have to try and figure out what the best GPU is that I can get in a 15.4" laptop. I really like the gateway NX560XL because of the dual processor and 667MHz Ram. However, it comes with a ATI Mobility™ Radeon® X1400 128MB Graphics (up to 256MB HyperMemory). From my understanding, this is really a middle of the road GPU. I am really tring to find something with 256MB on board, not just shared. So...I looked at the ALienware M5500. It has the 256MB NVidia® GeForce™ Go MXM 6600, which i believe is dedicated 256MB. Great, but the processor is Intel® Pentium® M 760-780 (780 being 2.26GHz and $460 up from the 2.0GHz 760, ouch). So here I sit, for another 2-3 hours tring to locate the ideal laptop. HELP ME! Where is the 15.4" laptop with 256MB dedicated GPU with either dual at 1.8GHz or solo processor over 2GHZ without costing $2000?!
March 15, 2006 7:17:13 AM

You better grow up I have a intel duo Moron vers my single core centreno. same ghz. So I know how they run. And face the fact single core will eat more in battery power. Why do I know this. Reading up on Tech books Magazines and Websites. And I have two laptops single core and duo.

Now think about this before you think you know your crap. 1 core doing Just the game. While the second core takes care of windows task.

So Get glasses for your large bold print Granny KillerNotebooks.
March 15, 2006 7:25:48 AM

You might want to check Frys Eletronics website http://www.outpost.com. And 15.4 is a great size. The 17.1 inch is heavy if your moving around. Another idea is get laptop a Ergonomic mobile cooling platform. So you can lay in bed or lay it on your legs with out covering the laptop vents. The ones with fans might be a good idea for bigger or faster laptops.
March 15, 2006 7:45:45 AM

I dont think Killer know much on laptops due to a few facts

1 If you Instill your own ram within your warrantie Priod. That Warrantie is will not be valid when it brake down or your hard disk dies. Something to think about. This also Software. Unless you can tell them You will be putting windows your self.

2 Higher the rpm on a hard disk and cpu and Ram The Less battery life you have. So let say standerd system says 5 Hours battery life. But you upgrade the Hard disk 7200 rpm 2gb of ram high end Cpu on a laptop. You get something 1 to 2 hours. So it like this Higher the cost Lower the battery Life. It like cars. Sports cars Gas Hogs vers Normal cars saves gas.

Things to look at Is Hard disks that has 8mb ram on it. So It helps in some speed With out taxing the battery life.
March 15, 2006 3:20:01 PM

If your willing on spending 2000 I would look at a thinkpad (ibm/lenovo). We have about 40 or so laptops in the field (hp/compaq,ibm) and the quality of the thinkpad is light years ahead of anybody else out there.
March 15, 2006 10:11:02 PM

In fact, one of the colleges I applied to REQUIRES students to get a laptop, and they recommend Lenovo (IBM) Thinkpads. That's definitely saying something. I've had an IBM for 3 years before getting a Dell (*sigh*...should've never went with the P4M lol), and the IBM served me very well.
But, I want an Acer Ferrari with Turion Duo in it...(hopefully it'll come out soon lol)!
March 17, 2006 12:53:55 AM

Mech that is the one I was going to get Just had a pronblem with my desktop and needed a laptop fast. All I use now is laptops.
March 17, 2006 3:09:06 AM

lol, gotta love the portability of the laptop no? :twisted:
March 17, 2006 12:08:51 PM

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In fact, one of the colleges I applied to REQUIRES students to get a laptop, and they recommend Lenovo (IBM) Thinkpads. That's definitely saying something. I've had an IBM for 3 years before getting a Dell (*sigh*...should've never went with the P4M lol), and the IBM served me very well.
But, I want an Acer Ferrari with Turion Duo in it...(hopefully it'll come out soon lol)!


The problem with this is I am looking for a laptop with at least 256MB GPU and a 15.4" monitor. IBM does not have that much power in its GPU.
March 17, 2006 12:31:36 PM

Have you seen any benchmarks on the x1400? I looked but couldn't find any. Just because it has 256mb video memory doesn't mean it's going to perform very well.

Regarding your other questions, as far as gaming goes:
dual core won't help
ram makes a lot more difference - the only time a fast hard drive helpes is when you are loading the game.
March 17, 2006 9:33:41 PM

IF you want anything that has 256 then you'll have to look into the higher-end laptops, ie. Alienware, and I would assume Dell has something along that kidn of performance level as well (though I think its online chat support sux...lol). Neways, you won't see that many, if any at all, 256 MB video cards in "normal" laptops that we see everyday. You'll have to go for the higher-end ones, that's what I'm saying.
Btw, weren't laptops made NOT for gaming anyway? :?:
March 18, 2006 11:03:22 AM

Wrong dmurdock Here what I do with my Intel duo. Have one cpu run game and muisc and basic windows aplications on the other cpu. 5 Hours battery life. It really works great. Now if vista and games start useing dual core cpus Yes we see a differnces. I know this for I cant drive so I use my laptop all the time. 3 hour drive and still have 30 to 40% battery life.

Intel 1.66 ghz duo. If I upgrade it will be for a new samsung 160gb hard disk. But waiting for the price to drop.
March 18, 2006 12:52:28 PM

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IF you want anything that has 256 then you'll have to look into the higher-end laptops, ie. Alienware, and I would assume Dell has something along that kidn of performance level as well (though I think its online chat support sux...lol). Neways, you won't see that many, if any at all, 256 MB video cards in "normal" laptops that we see everyday. You'll have to go for the higher-end ones, that's what I'm saying.
Btw, weren't laptops made NOT for gaming anyway? :?:


True about gaming, but not so ture as you might think. I am seriously leaning on a Sager 5320, see review here: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2594
This puppy will game! All of the newest games will run on this machine, and will continue to run for a while. Ture, six months from now, I am not going to be able to run the newest game on the maxed out settings, but I don't care. I am happy to be able to pick a sweet game and play it just about anywhere and watch DVD's on the road, and play poker online anywhere in my house. That is why I am getting a 1800 lappy. So I can play games if I want, understanding the limitations. Also, Dell doesn't have anything with a 256mb card and a 15.4" screen. I have considered Alienware.
March 19, 2006 11:31:21 AM

I think you should look at the ACER 5672, duo core, 2gb ram, 120gb sata drive and X1400 graphics. very nice machine. and only $1500 at ZipZoomFly.com



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Good Day! I am currently looking for a mid-price performance laptop. I am currently looking at a Dell Inspiron E1705. Intel Core Duo processor T2400 (1.83GHz), 1GB DDR2 @ 667MHz, 256MB ATI X1400, 17" UXGA, 60GB 7200RPM HDD, and bluetooth. It is currently booking at around $2000. My questions are: 1. is the duo better for gaming than a single core processer at a higher speed, i.e. 2.5GHz, 2. How much difference does the faster HDD and RAM make, and if I had to choose, which of the two would make the most difference, 3. Is there a better laptop with these specs out there for a similar/less price? Any thoughts would be great Thanks!
March 19, 2006 2:24:06 PM

Another day, another option...sigh :? So I got a post on another thread about a Xplorer X5-7000. I have never heard of this line before, but the setup looks sweet. Its running the NVIDIA Go 6800 GPU, and the price is right. Has anybody heard of this lappy before, and it so, what do ya think. I will post the link below, let me know if there is something here I am missing. Thanks for everybodys posts keep em coming. 8)
March 21, 2006 3:57:17 PM

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Another day, another option...sigh :? So I got a post on another thread about a Xplorer X5-7000. I have never heard of this line before, but the setup looks sweet. Its running the NVIDIA Go 6800 GPU, and the price is right. Has anybody heard of this lappy before, and it so, what do ya think. I will post the link below, let me know if there is something here I am missing. Thanks for everybodys posts keep em coming. 8)


http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/ntbkx57000.asp?v=d
March 22, 2006 8:53:34 PM

Hey Atol, you're like super knowledgeable about computers man.

That, and your agressive attitude which you just keep saying to everyone's post, "You're wrong", but not really explaining anything... aside from, "'Cause Atol say's so."

I know it's rough in the middle east, and you must have to be a jerk pretty much 24/7, but I just wanted to send you a hug and hope everyone else can spare one too (I gave you 2 to start you out) so we can help you be a useful member of society and you can start to be cool on the forum buddy.

March 23, 2006 4:22:58 AM

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Good Day! I am currently looking for a mid-price performance laptop. I am currently looking at a Dell Inspiron E1705. Intel Core Duo processor T2400 (1.83GHz), 1GB DDR2 @ 667MHz, 256MB ATI X1400, 17" UXGA, 60GB 7200RPM HDD, and bluetooth. It is currently booking at around $2000. My questions are: 1. is the duo better for gaming than a single core processer at a higher speed, i.e. 2.5GHz, 2. How much difference does the faster HDD and RAM make, and if I had to choose, which of the two would make the most difference, 3. Is there a better laptop with these specs out there for a similar/less price? Any thoughts would be great Thanks!


Good day to you sir! I know what you're going through...I'm trying to find the exact same notebook as you are I think. Mine's for 'Oblivion'. Did you decide on a computer? I found one at a local store today, not sure if it's available where you are(I'm in Melbourne, Australia). http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/notebook/nb/pro_...
It's $US1742($AU2430) with 1 gigram. I've never heard of the brand before. I think the x700 is better than the x1400 card, from what I've read. Anyone think otherwise? A computerstore salesperson tried to tell me that an x1400 is obviously better 'cos it's got 512MB but from what I've read that's not true.
March 24, 2006 12:17:17 AM

LOL I have never heard of a x1400 on a lappy with 500mb RAM


BEWARE! Someone correct me, but I am about 99% sure of this!
March 24, 2006 12:57:59 AM

The x1400 is so totally lame to begin with.
4 pixel pipelines and 2 WHOLE vertex shaders.
March 24, 2006 9:07:05 PM

hey killer do the computers on the site you directed me to come with operating systems? and does the price include shipping from the USA to Australia or do you add on extra for that? cheers
March 24, 2006 9:10:58 PM

I went to another computer store salesperson and told him my conflicting stories about the x700 vs. the x1400....he said the x1400 would be better for with new games, ones coming out now because it's got more something or rather(shaders?) but the x700 is better with older games. This guy was trying to sell me a computer with an x1400.
The original guy that said x1400 are way better than x700 and that it has 512mb on the x1400 was selling this computer http://www.notebooks.com.au/products_details.php?id=234
March 24, 2006 11:45:52 PM

That is my AU distributor, so that includes everything since he is right in your back yard. If you go to my site www.KillerNotebooks.com, the price would be in USD and I would have to add about $50 shipping to get it to you (t would include the AU power cord), but I am still WAY less than that system you linked to, and it will deliver better performance.

I used a 1.66 dual core Intel notebook today for an extended period of time, and I would put my KillerNotebook against it ANY DAY! It will slaughter it. I know, I know, I am probably going to hear about a million posts how I am wrong from people who haven't compared them, but they just under Intel's Core Duo VooDoo marketing spell.

The x700 is far better than the x1400, you can see a break down of noteook GPU's on my other notebook GPU post at Tom's. The "up to 512 MB hyper memory" is taking that right from your system memory... so if you are ever in a situation that your video card on your notebook needs 512 MB of video memory... believe me, it won't be available to allocate.

At todays exchange rates I can build you a system with 100 Gig 7,200 rpm hard drive, 2 Gig's of memory, 108 G+ wireless ship it to you and you would still save about $200 AD. I have built this sytem before and it is awesome that's all you can say about it. That's a price with some really nice upgrades... if you want the standard system with 80 gig 7,200 and 1 GIG 108 G+ wireless; it's more like $400AD less. Go with what they have... a 100 GIG 5,400 rpm hard drive, 1 GIG & 108 G+ (they have 54 g)... I am building it, shipping it overseas to you for $475AU LESS THAN THEIR PRICE for a FAR superior machine.
May 4, 2006 7:14:34 AM

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KillerNotebooks > The dual core isn't going to do that much for gaming right now, as the software needs to be written to exploit dual core performance.

Not quite true. The dual cores take advantage of any software that runs multiple threads (parallel processes). See:

"Intel debuts Core Duo: dual-core processors come to laptops"
http://www.cnet.com/4520-6022_1-6410042.html

Most big apps and games are multithreaded. But even when they're not, a duo-core CPU is still an advantage, as the article explains:

"Since Windows XP itself is multithreaded, you don't necessarily have to be running multithreaded apps to see a performance gain. Windows is a multitasking environment, and as such, there are usually applications running in both the foreground, such as the browser you are using to read this, and the background, such as real-time virus scanning. A dual-core processor should execute the multiple threads of these applications more efficiently."

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Cordachine > I really like the gateway NX560XL because of the dual processor and 667MHz Ram. However, it comes with a ATI Mobility™ Radeon® X1400 128MB Graphics (up to 256MB HyperMemory). From my understanding, this is really a middle of the road GPU...

I bought a Gateway MX6708 a couple of weeks ago (which is what they call the NX560XL here in Canada). I did a lot of research first. I specifically wanted a 5400 RPM h/d (I've had enough pokey laptop drives!), a dual-core CPU, and a fast GPU.

The Gateway had those and was at least $100 less than comparable models of other brands. Most notebooks in this price range had considerably slower GPUs---e.g. Radeon X300, or even (shudder!) integrated graphics. ("But you get so much RAM now, shared memory is no big deal!" -- Manipulative and/or ignorant salesperson)

I think the Mobility Radeon X1400 is awesome. "Middle of the road?" All I know is, I've been running 3D games and they're sharp and fast as can be---I can't imagine why I'd need more graphics power. (But then I was used to a "measly" Radeon 9800 in our desktop, so maybe I'm easily impressed...)

I paid $1250 Canadian for my Gateway (about $1100 U.S.), and this was at a major big-box retailer--- so haggle, you guys! (If they say, "But we don't have discounts," point out some of the models on sale for $100-200 off, and ask them how they can possibly be making a profit on those!)

I heartily recommend the NX560XL/MX6708 to anyone who wants a good deal on a powerful notebook at an excellent price. I'm quite happy with mine.
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