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May 17, 2005 3:23:22 AM

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Hi,
Is this set up good enough to put a rock band (not tooo heavy) through?
If so, for how many people?

FOH:

4 * EV S200 tops
2 * 15" subs
2 * QSC PLX3002 amps

I'm a bit worried about the S200's. They are small but they seem pretty
darn loud for what they are. I'm wondering if 2 per side plus a sub per
side would work well enough for say around 100 people? Maybe 200?

Cheers,

Mark.

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May 17, 2005 3:23:23 AM

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What means "put a rock band through"?

VOCALS probably (what amps are the guitars and other instruments playing?)

KICK probably

That's about all I'd try.


On 5/16/05 6:23 PM, in article u6adnS2SSPzTgBTfRVnyjQ@pipex.net, "Mark"
<marks@nospamhere.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> Is this set up good enough to put a rock band (not tooo heavy) through?
> If so, for how many people?
>
> FOH:
>
> 4 * EV S200 tops
> 2 * 15" subs
> 2 * QSC PLX3002 amps
>
> I'm a bit worried about the S200's. They are small but they seem pretty
> darn loud for what they are. I'm wondering if 2 per side plus a sub per
> side would work well enough for say around 100 people? Maybe 200?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark.
May 17, 2005 3:23:23 AM

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> Is this set up good enough to put a rock band (not tooo
> heavy) through? If so, for how many people?
>
> FOH:
>
> 4 * EV S200 tops
> 2 * 15" subs
> 2 * QSC PLX3002 amps
>
> I'm a bit worried about the S200's. They are small but they
> seem pretty darn loud for what they are. I'm wondering if
> 2 per side plus a sub per side would work well enough for
> say around 100 people? Maybe 200?

It all depends on your goals... You'll have to be careful on how you
setup the S200s to minimize comb filtering. One 15"sub per side won't give
you that thumping rock kick drum.

FWIW, we run 2-JBL SR4732A tops (2-12" three way) and 2-Yorkville ES1004
subs (double 18") with about 7500 watts of power for a typical rock band
playing inside a 300-500 person bar.

Mike Borkhuis
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Anonymous
May 17, 2005 3:23:23 AM

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There is one good way to find out.
May 17, 2005 4:27:16 AM

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SSJVCmag wrote:
> What means "put a rock band through"?

Drums, bass, 1 or 2 guitars, vocals, sometimes keyboard.

> VOCALS probably (what amps are the guitars and other instruments playing?)

Marshall valvestate type amps, 100 watts, but I try and keep them fairly
quiet on stage IF I put the whole lot through the PA.

> KICK probably
> That's about all I'd try.

Really? I'm kinda surprised. I've put an entire band through a pair of
JBL SF15's before and a couple of Carlsbro 2*12's (it didn't sound
great, a bit honky, but the SF15's aren't great anyway), and they seemed
plenty loud enough to re-inforce the drums, and infact the whole band.
Definately no distortion. Mind you this was for about 40 people, but
the reinforcement to the drums really helped them cut.

What exactly would be causing the problem here? Surely the subs would
be fine for the kick and bass? Do you not think the S200's could cope
with a snare drum or electric guitars? I've had just a single S200
nearly deafen me once... Is it just a lack of amp power or speaker
power? Rememeber we are only talking ~100 people at most indoors here.
What tops might be better? SX200's? SX300's? T251+'s? How many? Etc..

Any advice is much appreciated.

Cheers,

Mark.


>
>
> On 5/16/05 6:23 PM, in article u6adnS2SSPzTgBTfRVnyjQ@pipex.net, "Mark"
> <marks@nospamhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>Is this set up good enough to put a rock band (not tooo heavy) through?
>>If so, for how many people?
>>
>>FOH:
>>
>>4 * EV S200 tops
>>2 * 15" subs
>>2 * QSC PLX3002 amps
>>
>>I'm a bit worried about the S200's. They are small but they seem pretty
>>darn loud for what they are. I'm wondering if 2 per side plus a sub per
>>side would work well enough for say around 100 people? Maybe 200?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Mark.
>
>
May 17, 2005 5:15:56 AM

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"Mark" <marks@nospamhere.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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> Hi,
> Is this set up good enough to put a rock band (not tooo heavy) through?
> If so, for how many people?
>
> FOH:
>
> 4 * EV S200 tops
> 2 * 15" subs
> 2 * QSC PLX3002 amps
>
> I'm a bit worried about the S200's. They are small but they seem pretty
> darn loud for what they are. I'm wondering if 2 per side plus a sub per
> side would work well enough for say around 100 people? Maybe 200?
>

The low end would most likely be the weak link in this system..

If the budget is good I'd look at getting one more pair of subs.. Dont get
dual 15" subs.. Altho they are slightly cheaper, they also make it harder to
take a "half PA" to do the smaller gigs.. Also: If you encounter having to
go up 3 flights of stairs you will appreciate the smaller boxes even if you
have to walk 2 more times to the van / truck..

How many people you can cover depends a LOT on the type of music played and
what instruments need reinforcement..

As a pointer: I have done ballroom bands w. about 100 guests with 1* S200
and 1*15" vented sub per side, powered w. a Crown MA2400 / 1200 set.. Setup
was: Keys, Vocals, Acoustic guitar and kick thru the PA, The rest was on the
backline..

/peter
May 17, 2005 5:15:57 AM

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Q wrote:
> The low end would most likely be the weak link in this system..

I figured the S200's would be the weak link because they seem so small,
though I think doubling up on them would help a lot.

> How many people you can cover depends a LOT on the type of music played and
> what instruments need reinforcement..

It is rock but its not really heavy rock, just middle of the road
generally. Around the Bon Jovi sort of weight ;-)

Mark.
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Anonymous
May 17, 2005 5:56:14 AM

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On 5/16/05 7:27 PM, in article yMGdnS5v7M7VsRTfRVnyhg@pipex.net, "Mark"
<marks@nospamhere.com> wrote:

> SSJVCmag wrote:
>> What means "put a rock band through"?
>
> Drums, bass, 1 or 2 guitars, vocals, sometimes keyboard.

You want it ALL in the PA??

>
>> VOCALS probably (what amps are the guitars and other instruments playing?)
>
> Marshall valvestate type amps, 100 watts, but I try and keep them fairly
> quiet on stage IF I put the whole lot through the PA.
>
>> KICK probably
>> That's about all I'd try.
>
> Really? I'm kinda surprised. I've put an entire band through a pair of
> JBL SF15's before and a couple of Carlsbro 2*12's (it didn't sound
> great, a bit honky, but the SF15's aren't great anyway), and they seemed
> plenty loud enough to re-inforce the drums, and infact the whole band.
> Definately no distortion. Mind you this was for about 40 people, but
> the reinforcement to the drums really helped them cut.
>
> What exactly would be causing the problem here? Surely the subs would
> be fine for the kick and bass? Do you not think the S200's could cope
> with a snare drum or electric guitars? I've had just a single S200
> nearly deafen me once... Is it just a lack of amp power or speaker
> power? Rememeber we are only talking ~100 people at most indoors here.
> What tops might be better? SX200's? SX300's? T251+'s? How many? Etc..
>
> Any advice is much appreciated.

It's all about how LOUD you intend to be.

I managed a VERY hi-dollar 'wedding band' (if you want to think of a wedding
band made up of musicians who are available because thry're momentarily
off-tour with Bennet, Benson and such) that was reliably hitting painfull
levels on the near-in dance floor for maybe 100 people there with a pair of
midline JBL 12/horn units on sticks above 100, a couple of RAMSA baby subs
below and jusditious slow-atk comression on the sticks putting vox, keys,
kik (and sometimes drums OH) and a little help for the EG (usually a deluxe
on stage) through them, no BG- letting the bass player hold his own with a
well-driven 4-10 box on the floor and the system JUST balanced out right...
Very tight. The overall blend was clean and vocal-predominant and rememeber
the material here...
With a rock-focus and backline of 100w guitar amps and commensurate bass,
then adding full drums reenforce, if the guitars were actually NEEDED in the
PA you;d have to be getting be so loud that the system would be choking and
vocal clarity would be questionable... I'd think.
May 17, 2005 6:29:00 AM

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"Mark" <marks@nospamhere.com> skrev i en meddelelse
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> Q wrote:
> > The low end would most likely be the weak link in this system..
>
> I figured the S200's would be the weak link because they seem so small,
> though I think doubling up on them would help a lot.

My experience is that a single 15" in a vented box ( I used an EV EVM15B
Proline in an EV TL 606 box ) is a perfect match in a 1-1 ratio

> > How many people you can cover depends a LOT on the type of music played
and
> > what instruments need reinforcement..
>
> It is rock but its not really heavy rock, just middle of the road
> generally. Around the Bon Jovi sort of weight ;-)

One thing you might want to look into is the Dynacord Powermax 5 system...
Its a personal favorite of mine for smaller stuff.. 18" sub, 15" + horn top,
4 ch amp w. built in limiter and crossover in a neat plug and play kind of
way... I did a playback gig in a school gym containing 800 kids with 3
stacks of this per side... It fit in a van and was more than plenty of
loud.. The speakers are EV loaded and the electronics are built on the same
assembly line as EV's amps..

The street price in scandinavia is about 5500 Euro + VAT.. This may sound
like a lot, but consider the fact that you get 4 speakercabinets, poweramp /
processor and cables in a ready to go package..
http://www.dynacord.com/unterkategorie_e.php?id=61&subi...

Get 2 sets and it will go louder than youll ever need :-)

If you already bought the S200 they' be sweet for monitors

/peter
Anonymous
May 17, 2005 9:22:47 AM

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I've sung the praise of the EV SX 300 for some time here.. probubly too
much! I Have 1 sx300 +1 homebrew dual JBL15 per side. I QSC RMX 2450
tops 4ohm bottom 2ohm From my experience
Vox + Kit fully micked + small amounts of keys/Guit/Bass for blues and
"reasonable" rock this works well for 1-200 indoors. My surprise was
this same system covered several hundred at Clear "Polite " levels at 5
outdoors shows I've done. I Do think you need 2x15 or 2x18 as bottoms
for anything above "acoustic"

Kevin T
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