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Anonymous
May 19, 2005 3:27:53 AM

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Don't get me wrong, I love my 7506's....but in comparison to most
near-fields I've heard they sound very bright. I was listening to
Sinatra on them the other day and although the overall sound was great,
the trumpets and cymbals sounded brittle. There is still a good amount
of low-end and thumpin bass, just not enough to make up for the shrill
highs. Is it possible that I have a bum pair, or perhaps need to replace
the drivers? Or is this a common thing for 7506's? I would think
headphones labelled with "studio monitor" would be more linear.

Jonny Durango

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Anonymous
May 19, 2005 10:26:16 AM

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"Jonny Durango" <jonnydurango1BUSH_FROM_OFFICE@comcast.net>
wrote in message news:KdOdneGL-Y0trBHfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> Don't get me wrong, I love my 7506's....but in comparison
to most
> near-fields I've heard they sound very bright. I was
listening to
> Sinatra on them the other day and although the overall
sound was great,
> the trumpets and cymbals sounded brittle. There is still a
good amount
> of low-end and thumpin bass, just not enough to make up
for the shrill
> highs. Is it possible that I have a bum pair, or perhaps
need to replace
> the drivers? Or is this a common thing for 7506's? I would
think
> headphones labelled with "studio monitor" would be more
linear.

7506's are diagnostic tools, not necessarily the most
natural-sounding reproducers. If you want a more natural
sound for a bit of a higher price, check out Sennheiser HD
580s.
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 11:24:08 AM

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Jonny Durango wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, I love my 7506's....but in comparison to most
> near-fields I've heard they sound very bright. I was listening to
> Sinatra on them the other day and although the overall sound was great,
> the trumpets and cymbals sounded brittle. There is still a good amount
> of low-end and thumpin bass, just not enough to make up for the shrill
> highs. Is it possible that I have a bum pair, or perhaps need to replace
> the drivers? Or is this a common thing for 7506's? I would think
> headphones labelled with "studio monitor" would be more linear.

The 7506s _are_ fairly bright. From the description, I doubt that
there's anything wrong with yours. I generally like their sound, but
when a recording is particularly bright to begin with, it can add up to
too much.
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Anonymous
May 19, 2005 2:19:47 PM

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On Thu, 19 May 2005 02:27:53 -0400, Jonny Durango wrote
(in article <KdOdneGL-Y0trBHfRVn-iw@comcast.com>):

> Don't get me wrong, I love my 7506's....but in comparison to most
> near-fields I've heard they sound very bright. I was listening to
> Sinatra on them the other day and although the overall sound was great,
> the trumpets and cymbals sounded brittle. There is still a good amount
> of low-end and thumpin bass, just not enough to make up for the shrill
> highs. Is it possible that I have a bum pair, or perhaps need to replace
> the drivers? Or is this a common thing for 7506's? I would think
> headphones labelled with "studio monitor" would be more linear.
>
> Jonny Durango

They are big on the top and big on the bottom. I love them. They let me know
before a pop pops. They let me know when there's too much low end in the
room, or a car or truck goes by.

You get used to them. I love them and have tried others. The new Edirol
headphones are similar, but may have a less peaky top end. Heard 'em at NAB.
Pretty neat.

Regards,

Ty



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 2:39:06 PM

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In article <KdOdneGL-Y0trBHfRVn-iw@comcast.com>,
Jonny Durango <jonnydurango1BUSH_FROM_OFFICE@comcast.net> wrote:
>Don't get me wrong, I love my 7506's....but in comparison to most
>near-fields I've heard they sound very bright. I was listening to
>Sinatra on them the other day and although the overall sound was great,
>the trumpets and cymbals sounded brittle. There is still a good amount
>of low-end and thumpin bass, just not enough to make up for the shrill
>highs. Is it possible that I have a bum pair, or perhaps need to replace
>the drivers? Or is this a common thing for 7506's? I would think
>headphones labelled with "studio monitor" would be more linear.

The 7506 is bright the way the Pope is Catholic. They have massively
tipped-up high end. The response plot looks like Gibraltar.

When I got my 7506es, they had "DIGITAL" stickers on the side, as well
as the "STUDIO MONITOR" screening on the headband. You can put anything
you want on them. Hell, most of the cheap consumer junk out there has
"PROFESSIONAL" on the front panel today.

The reason people use the 7506 is the top end. I can't stand to listen
to them for very long, but they are great for editing work because you
can pick all kinds of junk out of the noise floor and really hear
changes in tape hiss levels. They are great tracking headphones too,
because they really make things sound forward so you can track with
lower levels in the cans.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 3:14:57 PM

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Ty Ford wrote:

> They are big on the top and big on the bottom. I love them. They let me know
> before a pop pops. They let me know when there's too much low end in the
> room, or a car or truck goes by.
>

That's exactly how I would describe them.....thanks everyone for
confirming my suspicions!

Jonny Durango
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 3:18:40 PM

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>
> The 7506 is bright the way the Pope is Catholic. They have massively
> tipped-up high end. The response plot looks like Gibraltar.
>

LOL! Well I'll keep that in mind when mixing....now that you mention it,
not only do they emphasize hiss, but they made the MIDI beep metronome
jump right out of a Robin Thicke CD I was listening to a few months
ago....which is an otherwise cleanly produced album

Anyway, I still love them for listening, plus it's not too hard to
roll-off a little high-end.

Jonny Durango
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 5:43:13 PM

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Jonny Durango wrote:
> Don't get me wrong, I love my 7506's....but in comparison to most
> near-fields I've heard they sound very bright. I was listening to
> Sinatra on them the other day and although the overall sound was
great,
> the trumpets and cymbals sounded brittle. There is still a good
amount
> of low-end and thumpin bass, just not enough to make up for the
shrill
> highs. Is it possible that I have a bum pair, or perhaps need to
replace
> the drivers? Or is this a common thing for 7506's? I would think
> headphones labelled with "studio monitor" would be more linear.
>
> Jonny Durango

Maybe go to the oktava.com site and buy a pair of Grados, good
phones, you might like them. I have the SR60's with Sennheiser
replacement earpads but the SR80's are nice too, a lot of bang for the
buck IMHO.

Will Miho
NY Music and TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio/Fox News/M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 8:15:22 PM

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 23:27:53 -0700, Jonny Durango
<jonnydurango1BUSH_FROM_OFFICE@comcast.net> wrote:

>Don't get me wrong, I love my 7506's....but in comparison to most
>near-fields I've heard they sound very bright. I was listening to

Ty Ford posted a link a mic review video he made (not really a full
review, he calls it a 'quickie demo'), and my comment of listening
with 7506's should confirm your observation. His putting on the thick
foam pop filter, which cut the highs significantly, made the mic sound
Just Right to me.
Here's the thread:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.audio.pro/brows...

I find the AKG 240's much easier for long-term listening, both in
the physical fit around the ears and in the sound. But they're
open-back, as opposed to 7506's closed-back design providing better
isolation and making them better for tracking. If you get the AKG's
you probably want to get the lower-impedance 240S "Studio" rather than
(what I have) the higher impedance 240M "Monitor", so when you switch
between different phones on the same output the volume doesn't change
so drastically (the 240M's are much quieter than low-impedance phones
from the same headphone output).

>Sinatra on them the other day and although the overall sound was great,
>the trumpets and cymbals sounded brittle. There is still a good amount
>of low-end and thumpin bass, just not enough to make up for the shrill
>highs. Is it possible that I have a bum pair, or perhaps need to replace
>the drivers? Or is this a common thing for 7506's? I would think
>headphones labelled with "studio monitor" would be more linear.
>
>Jonny Durango

If you want some really funny sounding phones, there's the K-44's
that came as a 'package deal' with my AKG C3000. :-/

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 8:28:49 PM

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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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They are great tracking headphones too,
> because they really make things sound forward so you can track with
> lower levels in the cans.
> --scott

That's what they're used for here, except for one of the fiddle players who
works here a lot. She can't stand them, so I keep a pair of Fostex around
just for her.

--
Dave Martin
DMA, Inc
Nashville, TN
Anonymous
May 19, 2005 10:25:54 PM

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The K240 Studio also have a ridiculously exagerated low end... IMHO...

JP

"Ben Bradley" <ben_nospam_bradley@frontiernet.net> a écrit dans le message
de news:ulcp819qj93h3k5vlle7p504oi45c3sufq@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 18 May 2005 23:27:53 -0700, Jonny Durango
> <jonnydurango1BUSH_FROM_OFFICE@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Don't get me wrong, I love my 7506's....but in comparison to most
> >near-fields I've heard they sound very bright. I was listening to
>
> Ty Ford posted a link a mic review video he made (not really a full
> review, he calls it a 'quickie demo'), and my comment of listening
> with 7506's should confirm your observation. His putting on the thick
> foam pop filter, which cut the highs significantly, made the mic sound
> Just Right to me.
> Here's the thread:
>
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.audio.pro/brows...
>
> I find the AKG 240's much easier for long-term listening, both in
> the physical fit around the ears and in the sound. But they're
> open-back, as opposed to 7506's closed-back design providing better
> isolation and making them better for tracking. If you get the AKG's
> you probably want to get the lower-impedance 240S "Studio" rather than
> (what I have) the higher impedance 240M "Monitor", so when you switch
> between different phones on the same output the volume doesn't change
> so drastically (the 240M's are much quieter than low-impedance phones
> from the same headphone output).
>
> >Sinatra on them the other day and although the overall sound was great,
> >the trumpets and cymbals sounded brittle. There is still a good amount
> >of low-end and thumpin bass, just not enough to make up for the shrill
> >highs. Is it possible that I have a bum pair, or perhaps need to replace
> >the drivers? Or is this a common thing for 7506's? I would think
> >headphones labelled with "studio monitor" would be more linear.
> >
> >Jonny Durango
>
> If you want some really funny sounding phones, there's the K-44's
> that came as a 'package deal' with my AKG C3000. :-/
>
> -----
> http://mindspring.com/~benbradley
Anonymous
May 20, 2005 1:18:17 PM

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"Jonny Durango" <jonnydurango1BUSH_FROM_OFFICE@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:KdOdneGL-Y0trBHfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> Don't get me wrong, I love my 7506's....but in comparison to most
> near-fields I've heard they sound very bright. I was listening to Sinatra
> on them the other day and although the overall sound was great, the
> trumpets and cymbals sounded brittle. There is still a good amount of
> low-end and thumpin bass, just not enough to make up for the shrill highs.
> Is it possible that I have a bum pair, or perhaps need to replace the
> drivers? Or is this a common thing for 7506's? I would think headphones
> labelled with "studio monitor" would be more linear.


That's just the way they sound. Great for audio editing, but useless for
casual listening. Now, wouldn't it be great to have that trouser-flapping
bass, an d the rest smooooth ?!!!


geoff
Anonymous
May 20, 2005 1:18:18 PM

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Try the AKG K240 Studio...

Plenty of bass...

JP

"Geoff Wood" <geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz> a écrit dans le message de
news:428d028d$1@clear.net.nz...
>
> "Jonny Durango" <jonnydurango1BUSH_FROM_OFFICE@comcast.net> wrote in
message
> news:KdOdneGL-Y0trBHfRVn-iw@comcast.com...
> > Don't get me wrong, I love my 7506's....but in comparison to most
> > near-fields I've heard they sound very bright. I was listening to
Sinatra
> > on them the other day and although the overall sound was great, the
> > trumpets and cymbals sounded brittle. There is still a good amount of
> > low-end and thumpin bass, just not enough to make up for the shrill
highs.
> > Is it possible that I have a bum pair, or perhaps need to replace the
> > drivers? Or is this a common thing for 7506's? I would think headphones
> > labelled with "studio monitor" would be more linear.
>
>
> That's just the way they sound. Great for audio editing, but useless for
> casual listening. Now, wouldn't it be great to have that trouser-flapping
> bass, an d the rest smooooth ?!!!
>
>
> geoff
>
>
Anonymous
May 20, 2005 1:21:57 PM

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"Ty Ford" <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote in message

> You get used to them. I love them and have tried others.

Jeeze Ty, how can I respect you mic reviews now ? !!!!

;-)

geoff
Anonymous
May 20, 2005 2:42:07 PM

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On Thu, 19 May 2005 17:21:57 -0400, Geoff Wood wrote
(in article <428d0369@clear.net.nz>):

>
> "Ty Ford" <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
>> You get used to them. I love them and have tried others.
>
> Jeeze Ty, how can I respect you mic reviews now ? !!!!
>
> ;-)
>
> geoff
>
>

Why start now?

Ty

-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
Anonymous
May 21, 2005 9:17:31 AM

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"Dave Martin" <dmainc@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:593je.4528$uR4.3800@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> "Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:D 6i8ea$rps$1@panix2.panix.com...
> They are great tracking headphones too,
> > because they really make things sound forward so you can track with
> > lower levels in the cans.
> > --scott
>
> That's what they're used for here, except for one of the fiddle players who
> works here a lot. She can't stand them, so I keep a pair of Fostex around
> just for her.
>
> --
> Dave Martin
> DMA, Inc
> Nashville, TN


I've still never heard a more functional set of phones for recording. They
*are* the first to get shrill when made loud, but seem more 'revealing' to
me than any other phones I've tried to get something out of. Clients have
had a large variety of phones to choose from in my sessions for many
years now... and by far, the most preferred set of phones is the 7506.

--
David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
_______________________________________
http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com
Anonymous
May 21, 2005 9:19:43 AM

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"JP Gerard" <jpgerard@skynet.be> wrote in message news:428cbe47$0$8221$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...

> The K240 Studio also have a ridiculously exagerated low end... IMHO...


That's one cool thing about the 7506.... if you don't have too much
low end, it won't sound exaggerated. (Same with the top, IMHO).

;-)


DM
Anonymous
May 21, 2005 9:19:44 AM

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My new favorite hp's are the Ultrasones. Less sonically fatiguing than
the 7506 with a more spacious sounding presentation that translates well
to monitor speakers.

Eric
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