Direct X 9.0c Available

Released 8/4/04

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Reply to 4Ryan6

Will go great with my 6800...which i will get...in 3 weeks....... ....:|..... . .. ......*sigh*....aha...only 15 Days - 5 Hours - 13 Minutes until I get my 6800... :lol: ahhahahah

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Reply to blackphoenix77

Counting it down Eh! :smile:

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Reply to 4Ryan6

Well actually..thats when I will get the money for it, I won't actually get it for another 3 or 4 days.

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Reply to blackphoenix77

I'd love to be getting one of those myself, but for now my ATI 9800 Pro still rocks pretty good, and I haven't run across anything yet it couldn't handle, but that day is fast approaching.

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Reply to 4Ryan6

DX9C work with 9800pro/AIW?

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Reply to mrface

It works with my 9800 Pro, its not AIW but I don't see why it wouldn't work with an AIW, theres no warnings to the contrary.

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Reply to 4Ryan6

yeah it works what i meant to ask if the card could use C to its fullest capabilities. cuz im sure some older cardss were 8.0 specific.

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Reply to mrface

I think full use will still be achieved until they release DX10, because what we're getting now is some small patches and updates to improve the performance of DX9 itself.

I may be wrong about that, I'm not a Direct X expert.

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Reply to 4Ryan6

Cam according to Microsoft its still Direct X 9, if your Video card required DX9 its just an improved version of DX9.

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Reply to 4Ryan6

cool thanx

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do you think it's worth it too upgrade? Cause I thought that 9.0c really only added ps3.0 support.

Watch out for the bloody Fanboys!

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DirectX 9.0c includes support for Pixel Shader and Vertex Shader 3.0, along with many new features across all technologies, which can be accessed by applications using the DirectX 9.0 APIs. This download provides the DirectX 9.0c end-user redistributable that developers may include with their products. The redistributable license agreement covers the terms under which developers may use the redistributable. Note: The DirectX 9.0c runtime cannot be uninstalled. It is recommended that Windows Me and Windows XP users create a 'system restore' point before installing.

You'll have to make that decision yourself, but it says it covers more than that.

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Reply to 4Ryan6

At the base of it though, it is about the features the newest cards have. Therefore current DX9 cards before the NV40 and R420 will not really benefit a lot from them.

Still, it doesn't prevent us from installing it, nor do I see why would it be disadvantageous to using them when you own any card below the new generation, like a 9800PRO. It won't really improve much, but hey, at least you won't get the warning to use DX9c in new games! :smile:

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Reply to eden

MS did not even have a readme.doc to read ? First time I ever saw that before.

Must be like when the critics were denied access to observe Alien VS Predator at the opening release.

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Reply to SoDNighthawk

I installed DirectX9.0c and I have some software that lets me observe slowly what components it installs and I later took a look at some of the .dll files it would seem that even if your graphics card does not support DX9 and only DX8 it would still be advisable to install IF you have and XP computer with XP service pack 2.

Looks like the new DX is supporting some minor software changes for SP2. Even if your graphics card does not support the new shaders pipelines etc in DX9 your comp will not be harmed it simply wont use them but your SP2 will need the new DirectX as it contains patches for SP2.

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Reply to SoDNighthawk

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I installed DirectX9.0c and I have some software that lets me observe slowly what components it installs and I later took a look at some of the .dll files it would seem that even if your graphics card does not support DX9 and only DX8 it would still be advisable to install IF you have and XP computer with XP service pack 2.

What software do you have that allows you to observe slowly the components it installs?

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Reply to 4Ryan6

MS Windows.

Just upgrade a version in order to see it install slower. XP is slower than 2000, slower than ME > 98 > 95 > 3.1

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///MS Windows.

Just upgrade a version in order to see it install slower. XP is slower than 2000, slower than ME > 98 > 95 > 3.1

Thats funny and true! LOL :smile:

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Reply to 4Ryan6

How so ? XP Pro on my system is faster then any other version you mentioned there.

I upgraded hardware of course and have XP tweaked out by manually turning background applications off in the Services area as well as removing unwanted start-up items from the RUN areas of the registry.

I felt for a long time after XP came out that Win98 was still faster on my PC's but times have changed and my XP installed computers completely slay Win98 for performance now.

I can install and run just about any of the old games I used to run and get them to dance like Win98 never could.

The trick with XP is simply learning all about how it functions and what you can do to tweak it and I do not mean the XP tweak utility I am talking about manually gutting out what you don't want and leaving in what you do want.

Of course 1 Gig of system Ram and a 2 GHz plus capable CPU are required for XP. The real problem with XP is most people don't want to upgrade their computer to faster hardware so they end up re-installing Win98 SE because they previously got that OS running sufficiently.

The truth is XP makes Win98 look like a 1979 Chevy Vega compared to a 2001 Ferrari when the Horsepower is provided.

I hope the next version of XP does not even have dial-up networking in it. Dial-up networking should be a downloadable patch for those that need it and not provided as part of the OS.

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Reply to SoDNighthawk

Every M$ OS since 98 should have asked a simple yes/no question at the start of the install:
"Do you want all the pointless Crap?"If you say YES, you get all the stupid bubbly themes, error reporting services, messenger, stupid menu fade effects etc. If you say no, you get the OS with every non-essential part inactive, and have to install them manually should you want them.

I would be most happy if M$ would add only that feature.

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Reply to ChipDeath

I agree in full.

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Reply to SoDNighthawk

///How so ? XP Pro on my system is faster then any other version you mentioned there.

Wheres this coming from? As far as I know Mac was cracking a joke there, I may be wrong but thats what I thought was going on, but for your comment, my Win2K w SP4 runs circles around XP and Win98 period. Win2k w SP4 is like XP without the extra garbage.

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Reply to 4Ryan6

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Dial-up networking should be a downloadable patch for those that need it and not provided as part of the OS.

How do you access the internet by downloading it?! :lol:

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Reply to eden

One thing XP rolls all MS OS' down like nothing else is the amazing speed at opening Explorer windows. In Win98 it'd take 3-5 seconds to load the GUI's left and right pane for My Computer or any other Explorer window, while in XP it loads it all amazingly quickly.

It also is faster at Startup than other Windows, in general. Shutdown is the only thing I find to be slow.

And while we're complaining about shut down, ya know those hanged shutdowns? Why the hell can't they have a damn feature where if the shut down took more than 20 seconds, FORCE a command that closes everything unconditionally, f**k saving settings! I mean seriously, it seems so damn obvious how to fix shut down problems, if they would just FORCE them sometimes! Add to that the totally disabled keyboard during shutdown and the logon screen in XP (well, for the Home one, the one that covers the entire screen), where you can't even Alt-Ctrl-Del to perhaps escape a Shutdown hang or simply just restart like good old Windows 95, and you know where things need to change. I think XP is a huge step over any Windows and for me, I'd never return to any other Windows before it ever. No way I could.

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Reply to eden

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I'd love to be getting one of those myself, but for now my ATI 9800 Pro still rocks pretty good, and I haven't run across anything yet it couldn't handle, but that day is fast approaching.

My Radeon 9800 pro couldn't pump out Doom 3 at 1024X768 4X AA at playable speeds (at least for me), but that doesn't mean it's outdated, some day though...

The problem with Direct X 9.0c is that some games could detect 9.0a and make you install 9.0b, which can cause messy problems, but so far so good.

 When in doubt, rock the fu*k out

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The problem with Direct X 9.0c is that some games could detect 9.0a and make you install 9.0b, which can cause messy problems, but so far so good.

I don't quite follow you. What's the actual problem here?

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Reply to eden

I had that problem in the past when a game would assume you did not have the most current version of Direct X and install the CD's Direct X files, which are outdated, and would create a second Direct X folder or somehow corrupt the files. Ex: I have 9.0c, the game setup thinks I have 9.0a, and installs 9.0b from the cd.

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Reply to Anonymous

Ah ok, thought so. Yeah I had that sometimes, but I don't think it's ever caused a problem. I think some tried to install old DirectX versions like 7! I don't think it works, you can't really reinstall an old version just like that.

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Reply to eden

Not a chance! and what programs applications are you saying runs faster ? If you say games or more important online games your wrong as the networking provided in XP and XP Pro is more advanced then W2K, of course MS did not go backwards in their networking efforts when they designed XP over W2K they improved the network handling.

With the advent of the SP2 that I have been running all week the new built in fire wall once tweaked is an awesome piece of software and perhaps one of the best things MS ever did with XP. The extra security and networking now available in XP makes W2K look like a barren wasteland of open ports and ripe for Trojan activity.

Sounds to me like you need to upgrade your hardware because you are trying to Run XP on an old computer like a HP Pavilion that was designed to run Win95 lol :wink:

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Reply to SoDNighthawk

Exactly!! Eden gets the cookie :smile:

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Reply to SoDNighthawk

///Sounds to me like you need to upgrade your hardware because you are trying to Run XP on an old computer like a HP Pavilion that was designed to run Win95 lol

My hardware is almost identical to yours, have you run Win2K w SP4?

Do you have the 2 operating systems to compare them? I do, Do you?

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Reply to 4Ryan6

///With the advent of the SP2 that I have been running all week the new built in fire wall once tweaked is an awesome piece of software and perhaps one of the best things MS ever did with XP. The extra security and networking now available in XP makes W2K look like a barren wasteland of open ports and ripe for Trojan activity.

<A HREF="http://scan.sygatetech.com/" target="_new">Test your XP firewall</A>

I have my own firewall Zone Alarm Pro and it works just fine.

<A HREF="http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=842242" target="_new">Your little precious SP2 is full of holes and they're yet to be plugged and this is just the begining.
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Edited by 4ryan6 on 08/16/04 08:13 PM.

Reply to 4Ryan6

///

Your little precious SP2 is full of holes and they're yet to be plugged and this is just the begining.

Good show Ry!!! :smile:

Reply to arthurh

If you are running Zone Alarm and also trying to online game Zone Alarm is a great fire wall but it sucks the resources out of a P.C and for that fact alone I do not use it.

I need my computer to respond to split second reflexes and I have been tweaking game computers for years for just that purpose. Zone Alarm is not for gaming computers its way to harsh on packet flow.

I do not only use XP fire wall I have corporate versions of a mainline fire wall and anti-virus software that is totally tuneable as Zone alarm is not.

The new version of the XP SP2 fire wall is not a tuneable fire wall protection software package it is there to support the background XP software for MSN, Netmeeting and other various built in networking in XP and it covers all the available port ranges.

Zone Alarm is a install and forget software package it only advises and asks for permissions it can not be tuned down to port settings or internet traffic flow.

Using XP and SP2 fire wall in conjunction with a second fully programmable fire wall software program is the best protection yet ever provided for internet users.

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Reply to SoDNighthawk

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If you are running Zone Alarm and also trying to online game Zone Alarm is a great fire wall but it sucks the resources out of a P.C and for that fact alone I do not use it.

I need my computer to respond to split second reflexes and I have been tweaking game computers for years for just that purpose. Zone Alarm is not for gaming computers its way to harsh on packet flow.

I do not only use XP fire wall I have corporate versions of a mainline fire wall and anti-virus software that is totally tuneable as Zone alarm is not.

The new version of the XP SP2 fire wall is not a tuneable fire wall protection software package it is there to support the background XP software for MSN, Netmeeting and other various built in networking in XP and it covers all the available port ranges.

Zone Alarm is a install and forget software package it only advises and asks for permissions it can not be tuned down to port settings or internet traffic flow.

Using XP and SP2 fire wall in conjunction with a second fully programmable fire wall software program is the best protection yet ever provided for internet users.

Zone Alarm Pro a resource hog, is hogwash!
It works superbly for gaming, you think you're the only one with a gaming machine?

I'm beginning to see you don't know what you're talking about, you side stepped my question about do you actually have Win2K Pro w SP4 to compare to XPs SP2 performance, or not.

Well answer that question before you try to impress everyone running off in a different direction, and this thread was about DX 9.0c in the first place anyway.

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Reply to 4Ryan6

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I'm beginning to see you don't know what you're talking about

The Lord be praised, if you forgive me for using His name, Ryan.

There's quite some people around that do that (not knowing what they're talking about) but very few of them actually cultivate it like SoD.

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One thing XP rolls all MS OS' down like nothing else is the amazing speed at opening Explorer windows. In Win98 it'd take 3-5 seconds to load the GUI's left and right pane for My Computer or any other Explorer window, while in XP it loads it all amazingly quickly.

It also is faster at Startup than other Windows, in general. Shutdown is the only thing I find to be slow.

How is it I'm now being attacked in a DX 9.0c thread about WinXPs performance from what I took as a joke from BigMac, but you guys want to reference Win98, I'm running Win2K Pro w SP4 and it runs so much better than the Lame Duck WinXP Pro that XP Pro now resides in my file cabinet until probably the end of the year which by that time maybe Microshaft will have ironed out all the bugs arising with SP2.

Before you respond and really piss me off, answer this question for me please, do you actually have Win2K Pro and WinXP Pro, both Operating systems to compare the two?

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Reply to 4Ryan6

Beginning to see? Heh-heh. I love it when he says stuff like "I need my computer to respond to split second reflexes," or the many other versions of that he uses. Like his computing needs are SO different from the rest of ours. That's great! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry, sod, but that's just funny.

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Running Win2k with SP4 over here Ryan. Gotta love Win2k, uber-stable. Very very reluctant to move away from it. XP doesn't convince me in the time I've used it.

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Reply to RobD

Mac I took what you said as a joke, I thought thats what it was, now I'm being attacked for agreeing with you and laughing about the joke, and you're the one that actually posted it, but I will stand my ground here, I think you know that about me by now.

As far as my opinion goes I have all the operating systems, WinXP Pro, WinXP Home, Win2K Pro, WinME, Win98SE, Win98FE, and Win95B, so actually I can run whatever I want to and have.

Win2k Pro was not anything to really cheer about until SP4 was released, and that changed everything with Win2Ks performance, so much so, that I uninstalled WinXP Pro and shelved the OP/SYS until Microsoft could straighten out their problems, I have that luxury but the majority here do not.

They seem to want to claim WinXp as the perfect OP/SYS which is far from being true, Microsoft in time will get the OP/SYS to what it should be, because now the pressure is on them big time to deliver, hopefully they can resolve the issues without rushing to release another unfinished Operating system like they've done in the past. :smile:

How greatful they seem to be, receiving the crumbs falling from Microsofts table!

Well they didn't pay for crumbs!

Of course some out here didn't pay for their operating systems anyway, but thats another thread, I did pay for mine!

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Reply to 4Ryan6

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Beginning to see? Heh-heh. I love it when he says stuff like "I need my computer to respond to split second reflexes," or the many other versions of that he uses. Like his computing needs are SO different from the rest of ours. That's great!

Sorry, sod, but that's just funny.

You da man Aubby! :smile:

Expose the infidels! :smile:

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Running Win2k with SP4 over here Ryan. Gotta love Win2k, uber-stable. Very very reluctant to move away from it. XP doesn't convince me in the time I've used it.

Welcome Rob!

Finally someone appears that knows what they're talking about!

Unless they've actually used both operating systems its just an opinion on their part, but anyone thats used both operating systems knows the difference!

Theres nothing to argue about!

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Reply to 4Ryan6

Well, I must admit to being biased toward it. Was the first O/S I took my MS Certfied Professional in. So I know exactly where I stand with it, know it inside out. It was the first O/S that really impressed me. 98/se were OK and ME was a bucket of shite.

Chances are I'll keep running it until they either stop supporting it or hardware vendors no longer release drivers for it. Stubborn until the end me. :smile:

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Reply to RobD

In the same boat, myself. Stuck with XP at work, but use 2K at home, and will as long as I can, like you.

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Reply to Auburn9698

I always knew you were a good man.

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Reply to RobD

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Chances are I'll keep running it until they either stop supporting it or hardware vendors no longer release drivers for it. Stubborn until the end me.

Microsoft should support it for quite some time, don't you think?

In my opinion right now its the absolutely best Microsoft has to offer, but then again unless you're using it, you don't know that, you just listen to some misinformed camel jockeys! :smile:

So how are you doing today?

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Reply to 4Ryan6

A Win2K Alliance! Cool! The Three Musketeers! :smile:

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Yeah - the good, the bad and the ugly. I'll let you figure out which is which.

:eek: I'm the good time that was had by all :eek:

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