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June 15, 2006 12:55:05 AM

I'm willing to shell at least $2000 on a laptop, looking for a computer to last 4 years.

I play games, and I really want to run top of the line games 4 years from now, though I don't expect to run it on anything but very low or low settings.

Battery life is important, 3 functional hours at least are almost necessary, and weight would be a very nice perk.
June 15, 2006 8:48:33 AM

I know it wouldnt be the most practical in your situation but my MacBook Pro is by far the best notebook I've ever worked with, amazing. It did run me about 2400 with memory upgrade and service plan, but I havent found anything it cant do, should be an alright gamer considering you can run windows under it, but you'd probably want to look at the alienware gamers or perhaps the XPS line from dell.

(once you hit OSX windows will seem like a joke though ;-) )
June 15, 2006 8:50:03 AM

forgot to post battery life

depending on what I'm actually doing with it, I get anywhere from 3.5-4 hours on a single charge.
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July 16, 2006 2:16:33 PM

My Wakizachi system gets 2 good hours gaming and gets 3 hours if you allow the system to control the battery power by reducing the screen brightness and such.

The other thing to consider is the cost of additional batteries. Most of these companies completely rip you off on batteries. I charge $50 for an extra battery, which is what they should cost (of course that is for systems I sell, I don't carry other brands)

Same ODM that makes the MacBook Pro make the Wakizachi. Thing is awesome.

July 25, 2006 4:29:50 PM

If you want solid performance and a good xp based pc, check out the Alien Ware M9700, base model is well equiped and sports a basic price tag of 1999.00. It will almost surely destroy most systems on the market.
July 27, 2006 1:28:08 AM

The Alienware m9700 couldn't destroy the Executioner's freakin' empty beer can.

First of all it is a single core Turion deign, so you are investing a considerable amount in absolutely dead end technology as it can't be upgraded.

Stock with an ML-34 1.8 GHz

17" Screen, stock with 1440 x 900 resolution - higher cost you more.

512 MB on (2) 256 MB chips of Memory - That's really going to do a lot. The Executioner's VIDEO CARD has 512 MB of memory.

60 GB 5,400 rpm hard drive against the Executioner's 100 GB 7,200 stock

They try to pump you up on SLi - yet the the system only comes stock with a single 7900 GS 256 MB card! ADD $399 for the second card that TOM's Hardware already tested in SLi and it got kicked right out of it's boots by the 7900 GTX 512 MB.

I don't mean to be critical, but Alienware is a freakin' puppet of DELL and they are marketing one thing and delivering QUITE another. It is just short of bait and switch advertising IMHO. By the time the thing is configured as the "SLI Gamer" they headline, it is more like $3,000 and at the end of the day still a stinking single core Turion.

July 27, 2006 1:57:41 PM

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The Alienware m9700 couldn't destroy the Executioner's freakin' empty beer can.

First of all it is a single core Turion deign, so you are investing a considerable amount in absolutely dead end technology as it can't be upgraded.

Stock with an ML-34 1.8 GHz

17" Screen, stock with 1440 x 900 resolution - higher cost you more.

512 MB on (2) 256 MB chips of Memory - That's really going to do a lot. The Executioner's VIDEO CARD has 512 MB of memory.

60 GB 5,400 rpm hard drive against the Executioner's 100 GB 7,200 stock

They try to pump you up on SLi - yet the the system only comes stock with a single 7900 GS 256 MB card! ADD $399 for the second card that TOM's Hardware already tested in SLi and it got kicked right out of it's boots by the 7900 GTX 512 MB.

I don't mean to be critical, but Alienware is a freakin' puppet of DELL and they are marketing one thing and delivering QUITE another. It is just short of bait and switch advertising IMHO. By the time the thing is configured as the "SLI Gamer" they headline, it is more like $3,000 and at the end of the day still a stinking single core Turion.



ROFLMAO, your info is a bit scew'd. In deed the core is single. It performs like a champ. I wasn't about to pay grand for a computer either way. this machine does twice the job my old one does. I am very happy. Thnx for your comments, they were noted, but for the most part pointless, since anyone can actually read a data sheet. :roll:


( to further this prefference the following machine barely compete's and it runs only $300 less than what I paid.) I think thats enough to blow out the flames once compaired directly.


http://www.killernotebooks.com/executioner/executioner_...
Executioners Fully Loaded.

(I would deffend my product to, If the compitition was this steep)
8) :lol:  just my 2 cents on it.
July 27, 2006 2:26:25 PM

lol, I just got a dell e1705 with better specs then the alianware for $1400. If you want cheap get a dell, for the quality I'd say KN is the champ. If I could of scraped together the extra money I was going to get one. you just paid extra for plastic molding.
July 27, 2006 3:24:30 PM

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lol, I just got a dell e1705 with better specs then the alianware for $1400. If you want cheap get a dell, for the quality I'd say KN is the champ. If I could of scraped together the extra money I was going to get one. you just paid extra for plastic molding.


Lets do an industry standard's test. 3dmark tends to be a good neutral ground. Here are my rounded scores. (While Plugged into an Outlet) I ran it with all options turned on at 1024x768 res. for an easy res. to use. =) I am very interested to see your results.

Do a 3dmark 2005 on your laptop.
roughly 9400 marks on the M9700

also Do a 3dmark 2006 on your laptop.
roughly 8700 marks on the M9700


I am interested in your score's. (I rounded down to the nearest 100's spot on each)
July 27, 2006 4:29:51 PM

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lol, I just got a dell e1705 with better specs then the alianware for $1400. If you want cheap get a dell, for the quality I'd say KN is the champ. If I could of scraped together the extra money I was going to get one. you just paid extra for plastic molding.


I will take it as your either testing (wich takes a while) or you havent read the responce. =) Hope you post some data to back up your dell's performance =)
July 27, 2006 7:51:38 PM

Well I am guessing since their is no responce and about 4 hours has passed that one of two things has occured.

#1. Person had to goto work and thus hasn't had the chance to truely test the unit (most likely)

#2. The Dell performed well, but not that well.

#3. The person flamed with no real intension of backing him/her self with results. (/shrug) (E-Penis negative) (50dkp minus!)


Yes Alien Ware is in a Marketing Contract with DELL, but this is an advantage to both companies. Great Marketing Move for both companies! :D  This gives Dell an alternate way to offer AMD products while keeping the money comeing through the same general pipelines =) On the other side of the situation if a Bussiness calls for servers, Alien has the option to reffer to DELL's bussiness services openly, wich means money stays in the family here again. Don't fool yourself in thinking their under the same roof, The Two companies are very different, and do not share facilities in any mannor. Read the review of the merger. Learn a little about Bussiness managment in the proccess.
July 27, 2006 8:35:12 PM

lol, yes, I am at work. where I have to WORK, so as much as I'd like to lurk here all day, I can't. :(  I'll run em tonight and and try an get em for you by tomorrow.
July 27, 2006 10:37:15 PM

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lol, yes, I am at work. where I have to WORK, so as much as I'd like to lurk here all day, I can't. :(  I'll run em tonight and and try an get em for you by tomorrow.


Woot you have come back =) much excitement. I am able to troll forums all day, I will await tommorow's testing =)
October 20, 2006 7:45:23 PM

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The Alienware m9700 couldn't destroy the Executioner's freakin' empty beer can.

First of all it is a single core Turion deign, so you are investing a considerable amount in absolutely dead end technology as it can't be upgraded.

Stock with an ML-34 1.8 GHz

17" Screen, stock with 1440 x 900 resolution - higher cost you more.

512 MB on (2) 256 MB chips of Memory - That's really going to do a lot. The Executioner's VIDEO CARD has 512 MB of memory.

60 GB 5,400 rpm hard drive against the Executioner's 100 GB 7,200 stock

They try to pump you up on SLi - yet the the system only comes stock with a single 7900 GS 256 MB card! ADD $399 for the second card that TOM's Hardware already tested in SLi and it got kicked right out of it's boots by the 7900 GTX 512 MB.

I don't mean to be critical, but Alienware is a freakin' puppet of DELL and they are marketing one thing and delivering QUITE another. It is just short of bait and switch advertising IMHO. By the time the thing is configured as the "SLI Gamer" they headline, it is more like $3,000 and at the end of the day still a stinking single core Turion.



Hi guys! I read the above comments by KilleNotebooks just to see which lappy would be good for me... i did a comparison of both the spects of both Alienware M9700 and the Executioner... well i must say the executioner was giving me the price: $3463 campared to Alienware M9700 with the price tag: $3200 (WITH THE SAME HARDWARE CONFIGURATION!)

The only minor Differences in Hardware were:

Alienware M9700: AMD Turion 2.33 Ghz VS Executioner: Intel Core2 Duo 2.33 Ghz

ALienware M9700: Nvidia Geforce 7900 GS SLI 512 MB VS Executioner: nVidia 7900 GTX 512 MB

ALienware M9700: 320 Gig RAID 0 Drives (160 x 2) VS Executioner: Maxed out 160 Gig HD

and yes the ALienware M9700 DID have evrything else mentioned on the executioners list: including all the IO Ports, AUdio Devices Etc...

And from the above list you maysee everything with the alienware is BETTER than what youde get with an Executioner... and yet the price difference is $200+!!! I mean WTF!?!

I truly shall go for an aleinware not only becuz it looks better, but also becuz its got better specs for a cheaper price...

Oh and the site looks better tooo [:) ] No offense! Please!
:) 

P.S: Please note that i got the SLI deal when Alienware was offering $400 off for the other card... so i basically got an SLI upgrade FREE!!! All other thingies aside! [:D]
October 20, 2006 8:14:53 PM

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The only minor Differences in Hardware were:

Alienware M9700: AMD Turion 2.33 Ghz VS Executioner: Intel Core2 Duo 2.33 Ghz

A Turion single core vs. a Intel Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33 MHz isn't a minor difference. It's a GIGANTIC difference. It's a whole 'nother 2.33 Ghz processor, it's a 4 MB cace vs. 1 MB cache, it's 2 years newer technology and it spanks the pants off AMDs X2 dual core, let alone a single core. It's like comparing a bottle rocket to the space shuttle.

Not only that, Alienware's Turion system is NOT AMD's new AM2 platform... that means
:idea: It is running DDR memory not DDR2 (about HALF the bandwidth)
:idea: You can't upgrade the processor at all because there is a new CPU slot (Turion is the old one)
ALSO
:arrow: $100 shipping vs. included with Executioner
:arrow: 54g wireless ADD $150 for MIMO! Executioner is stock 108 Mbps G+ and MIMO 240 Mbps is $60
:arrow: WHY get a performance RAID0 set up, then throw 5,400 rpm drives in it? They CHARGE you just to configure a RAID0!
:arrow: NO CUSTOMIZATION except paint that is going to scratch off
8O It looks like a BOX.
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ALienware M9700: Nvidia Geforce 7900 GS SLI 512 MB VS Executioner: nVidia 7900 GTX 512 MB

Within 2 weeks the Executioner will come with a nVidia 7950 GTX 512 MB the 7900 GS is not the second coming... it is a second rate card that is trying to capitalize on the 7900 mystique... it's marketing hype, the thing doesn't even come close to a 7800 GTX let alone a 7900 GTX!
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ALienware M9700: 320 Gig RAID 0 Drives (160 x 2) VS Executioner: Maxed out 160 Gig HD

First, that's a 5,400 rpm drive. You don't go ALL OUT on everything, then get a 5,400 rpm drive, it is not performance smart. Better to get 7,200 and lessor processor then.

The Executioner has a RAID controller and can be configured RAID0 just like the review system on Tom's Hardware. It isn't listed because RAID0 is a touchy thing, it isn't the best solution for most people. It can be custom ordered and configured though for no extra charge, Alienware charges $160 for a RAID0 config alone!

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I truly shall go for an aleinware not only becuz it looks better, but also becuz its got better specs for a cheaper price...

Hopefully you have a better understanding of the specifications, and see that this statement is way off base. That's ancient technology relatively speaking, and to RAID0 5,400 rpm hard drives to get a little extra space vs. the 7,200 rpm counterparts is silly.

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And from the above list you maysee everything with the alienware is BETTER than what youde get with an Executioner... and yet the price difference is $200+!!! I mean WTF!?!

Killer Notebooks took the time to educate you as a consumer so you may now realize WhyTF instead of thinking Alienware is "BETTER" and "$200+ WTF".
Funny too is that when configured on Alienware's site this comes out to over $3,600?!?
$+300 for the 512 MB 7900 GS over the 256 version?!? Kids, those cards are $45 upgrades dealer cost from 256 to 512 MB - I'm sure FAR less to Alienware!
$+160 for the RAID0 "honor"?
$+150 for a MIMO wireless card?!!
Don't forget the $100 shipping from alienware!

October 20, 2006 9:20:23 PM

Ok! I agree with you for the most part... simply because i was void of all that knowledge... thankyou foe enlightening me! :) 

Another querie I have is that well... Intel Core 2 Duo is 2 theoretical cores on a single physical processor right?

and according to this link from your webpage:
http://www.killernotebooks.com/executioner/images/T7600...

Compared to this image from a M9700 Reviewer:
http://www.straferight.com/new/content/view/507/38/

You can see he sez :
"Out of the box, I got a 3dMark05 score of 9880."

Here another link with the EXACT SAME SPECS as what I wanted found on this site, he sez he got his score in the 9400's (plugged):
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/mobile/modules.php?name=...

Whilst ur image on your executioners webpage shows a score of:
8610

Please id appreciate it if you could clear out this mess Im in! I am not against KillerNotebooks in any way... i just wanted your help! cuz ur the BOMB! :) 
Thanks!

PS Im sorry for the language... i was a little p***ed at my cat for ruining(scratching) my cd's... 8O :) 
October 20, 2006 11:00:35 PM

Well I can't really speak to what one person gets on a 3D mark score posted on the internet. I can tell you it is extrememly strange to have an identical 3D Mark number, even from the same system tested at different times.

Secondly, all my tests are an average of 10 consecutive runs of the system. To pull off a one time high number, and try to insinuate that it will always be that high, or will be that high with background processes running is somewhat shady.

When I run a test - it is of a system you are actually getting. It isn't everything stripped off, with the notebok set in the freezer while the test runs, it's as real-world as your going to get from a synthetic benchmark. I also can't give you a 7950 GTX 3Dmark score because i won't have one until the earliest next week.

Which brings me to the point that we are talking about a synthetic benchmark. The Futuremark 3DMark isn't optimized to use the dual core's second core. When you look at more synthetic benchmarks like PCMark05, which is going to give you overall system performance, this is what I found on the internet about the Alienware:
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PCmark05 runs indenticaly with and without SLI and scores a respectable 3560 marks ...Inquirer Review
Big difference from the 6013 the Ex gets: PC05marks Image... that's almost 69% more overall performance!

The Core 2 Duo is essentially 2 "cores" on one die. Game over? Intel knocks out AMD.
There is extensive articles and reviews everywhere on the internet about the C2D, no one (including AMD) is arguing that the AMD chip, even in dual core variety can best the C2D... and let's remember, the Alienware has a single core, it is not the X2 dual core (like the Assassin will be next month dual 7950 GTX Turion X2)
October 20, 2006 11:15:07 PM

Well I commend your efforts on this, But after seeing the reviews around the ""WORLD"" M9700 has taken the flagship spot hands down. I see a few adds for the Killen Nic (a network card) but I rarely see reviews on Killer Notebooks. Then again I am based in the united states, this may have allot to do with the coverage.

Some key points to review are as follows.

Less than 15% of all programs on the market (includeing games) are Multi-Threaded apps -- this means Duel Core and Core Duo = slower than a normal cpu in over all performance rateings.

Less than 15% of all programs on the market (includeing games) are SLI or Xfire apps -- this means that 2 video cards is no better than a single one.

Basically what I am stateing here is that haveing 2 video cards creates no negative impact, but a multi core cpu could actualy cause problems.


Fine examble of this would be (City of Heroes / City of Villans) -- the game is perfect on single cores at 2 ghz, but a nearly 3ghz duel core / core duo isn't even stable enough to show you the into sequence let alone play consistantly. These are issues that have nothing to do with the physical hardware, and all due to how the program was writen!


The Alien Ware M9700 has been an awsome laptop! It has also been confirmed that the Turion 64 x2 edition wich is duel core will be completely compatible (35w version) with the bios and slot being used currently for the Turion based units. =)


I wish you all well, in the end its your choice to go for what you want! Enough Money will get you anything in this industry, its all a matter of what you want! I have to say Killer Notebooks have by far a cooler Laptop Case than Alien =)
October 21, 2006 12:21:59 AM

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this means Duel Core and Core Duo = slower than a normal cpu in over all performance rateings.

Where on Earth did you come up with that? When you have a dual core CPU you can run a Widget, or a simple program that shows you CPU ultilization to either core. Web browsing with multiple tabs, content creation, opening a program, little things you never think take processing power hit the second CPU core.

Not only that, above we show the PCMark'05 sccore for a 2.4 Ghz Turion ALienware and the PC'05 Mark score for the Intel Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33 Ghz... it's almost 69% higher!

The other thing, there was an article on Tom's on games being specifically written for multicores now because they can offload processing tasks the video cards would normally have to handle for background and ambient graphic rendering.
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...a multi core cpu could actualy cause problems.
I'm not sure where you heard that, but if we step back for a second and think about this, Intel and AMD have spent MILLIONS upon millions of dollars to come up with multi-core chips and bring them to market first. I think the actual chip makers pretty much know what they are doing when it comes to CPU's.
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The Alien Ware M9700 has been an awsome laptop! It has also been confirmed that the Turion 64 x2 edition wich is duel core will be completely compatible (35w version) with the bios and slot being used currently for the Turion based units. =)
Dude, whoever told you that has not idea 1 what they are talking about. The Turion X2 Dual Core uses a Socket S1, COMPLETELY different than the Turion Socket 754. The X2 uses DDR2 RAM, the Turion DDR. If anyone thinks they are going to drop a Turion X2 Dual Core in a m9700... they are sadly mistaken.
October 21, 2006 12:27:18 AM


I have an executioner and I am not a gamer. I run apps like Cubase SX and After Effects that can utilize multi core processors. Having a dual core machine will not cause any problems with any apps, the apps will simply not use the second core. On the other hand I have read about SLI configurations causing troubles in some multimedia creation apps.
October 21, 2006 12:43:33 AM

Hey Miro, do you have the HEAT soundtrack by any chance, or the Kill Bill soundtrack?
October 21, 2006 1:38:26 PM

I will further my research bro =), BTW if you have the City of Villians, try it out on a dual core cpu,

I have found the review on toms page here (bless this page) and indeed the alienware rep that had said yes on the AMD Turion X2 mobile processor slot was absolutely incorrect. I would have to say this is a strike against them in the knowledge catagory =(

KillerN. Man --> I thank you for enlightening me on the CPU slot type and the reality of the hardware.

I know the AMD x2's bomb on it, not sure about the core duo's by intel however. At this point, I would love to see you try to test something like COV on the 4 basic cpu types, I would take your advice to heart. A sale may just depend apon it as I have a friend getting ready to make his choice. He is completely sold on my alien (because he uses it daily!) But if we can produce direct statistics (he's a gamer like me) he would most likely go with your product if indeed it out performs the M9700 fully loaded.

1. AMD single core
2. Intel single core
3. AMD duel Core
4. Intel Core Duo's
October 21, 2006 4:00:15 PM

Mark, I dont have those soundtracks. The heat soundtrack has got Einsturzende Neubauten on it !@ I must check this out.
October 21, 2006 4:13:09 PM

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the alienware rep that had said yes on the AMD Turion X2 mobile processor slot was absolutely incorrect.
How messed up is that? Their own rep tells you that, then let's say you buy it, nad then go to upgrade it in 6 months, it doesn't work... what does Alienware do for you since he was wrong... I mean besides nothing.

Well, I have all of that info, kind of.
AMD single core Turion Mt-40 2.2 Ghz (is the Eliminator RED) vs. Intel Core Duo T2500 2.0 Ghz (wakizahi Blue) both with x1600 256 MB

That is a standard (old) core duo, not the core 2 duo, as you can see, CPU, Memory, and PcMarks are much higher.
This is an old test I ran of a 2.16 T2600 Core Duo vs. a 2.16 Core 2 Duo:


Now remember, that is with an x1600 video card, there are tons of articles finding exactly what I did htat the Core 2 Duo isbottlenecked by GPU's under 7800 GTX class, there is so much bandwidth and horsepower to the C2D it just can't use it al unless the GPU can keep up. So essentially, the C2D performs much higher than even these tests would suggest, couple that with the fact that you can get an even faster (T7600 2.33 Ghz) CPU, and I think you can extrapolate the data you wanted from these graphs.

Intel Core 2 Duo vs. Intel Core duo x1600 2.0 Ghz each.

But the data from that is going to give you raw CPU differences, is that what you want? I mean, because there isn't ANYWERE on the internet that says that Intels Core 2 Duo doesn NOT beat the X2 around the block.

There is no way the m9700 with a Turion is going to outperform a T7600 Core 2 Duo, it is simply impossible. The T7600 has 4.66 Ghz of collective Borg processing power with 4 MB of cache. Run a PC'05 Mark on the thing, I have all that data already with the 7900 GTX card in it.
This is an old one I ran:
October 21, 2006 4:36:47 PM

Thnx for the Quick responce =)

I like you more and more everyday =)

So I am left with a fairly perplexing peice of information. Maybe you can help clear this up for me.

as you recal I ran those tests when fresh out of the box with 3dmark 2005 and 3dmark 2006

3dmark 2005 --> 9400 marks on the M9700
3dmark 2006 --> 8700 marks on the M9700

both were ran at 1024x768, all options cranked, and I seem to recal I had it do like 10 total runs and took the average. Would you be so kind as to use the same res. and let me know your marks rateing. Because right now mine is destroying the KN upgraded units, and I think its all due to res being used. I am very interested in the actual results at same res.

could you run it and throw up the results. Now I am truely interested =)

I am also going to run mine at 1600 res when I get home, and I will post my results =)
October 21, 2006 6:14:28 PM

Sorry, but right now I don't have the 7950 GTX card until next week, and all my 7900 GTX card models are shipped out already. I would run those tests today on your system and when I get the 7950 I can post it.

The numbers you posted:
3dmark 2005 --> 9400 marks on the M9700
3dmark 2006 --> 8700 marks on the M9700
seem a little high/unrealistic for dual 7900 GS cards - the numbers I have seen posted for it are much lower than that, and especially the difference between the '05 and '06 numbers of pnly 700 points, in fact, they make no sense if you have ever benchmarked using both programs, this is a more reasonable spread between them, and this is from a desktop SLi board:
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3DMark05: 11916
3DMark06: 7383

Here is one example of m9700 numbers:
TechRepublic Review
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I also ran 3DMark06 v102 visual benchmarks on the Aurora m9700. The average 3DMark score was 5000, which is just slightly lower then many AMD desktops. Of the few m9700 notebooks posted on the Futuremark Web site, 5000 was the consistent 3DMark.

I think that this argument is kind of being caught up on 3D mark from a synthetic benchmark that is designed to implement 1 core of a CPU, of which we have a typed in number with no screenshot of the system. If your notebook CPU power/performance isn't an issue AT ALL, since we have already determined the Executioner CPU score is 69% higher then the Alienware, then we could keep focusing in on 3D Mark scores, but we need something more than, "My 3D05 score is 9,400 and my 3d06 score is 8700", because as I noted, those numbers don't make sense.
October 22, 2006 2:13:23 AM

And yet I cannot seem to find any review giving me a score of 9000 minus from 3D Mark 05 on an Alienware M9700!!!! I dunno WHAT hits me everythime i use google!!?!

http://www.notebookforums.com/thread161983.html

THIS IS INTENSELY CONFUSING! :? :tongue: :?
Comments anyone?! :oops:  :roll:
October 22, 2006 2:35:36 AM

What happened to the 3D06 Mark score? That just kind of went away and it is all focused on 3D'05? Since I posted a link to the review where he (and the sources he sited all over Futuremark site) got 5,000 PC'06 Marks, but some how the mystery (typed in) scores are 8,700.

What is confusing about OVERALL system performance 69% LOWER?
So you are going to grab a couple hundred extra 3D'05 Marks to LOSE 3,000 PC Marks? An extra 3 fps is worth sacraficing everything else on the system?

I guess I need to put this in perspective. When you're in the gym, and your friend is benching 300 lbs... and you bench 69% less you're benching 93 lbs.
October 22, 2006 2:46:49 AM

Well... actually I was looking into the OVERALL 3D Mark Score... and not exactly the PC Mark score... which is totally irrelevant to my query, considering the fact that I acknowledged FROM YOU that the Core 2 Duo HAS 2 CORES and the AMD Turion 64 on the M9700 has one... and i ALSO acknowledged based on the previous fact that the m9700 IS slower than the core 2 duo... neways...

consideing the fact that you are being satyrical... I am stopping this discussion here and shall be seeking advice somewhere else... it was lovely being a part of this thread! I learned alot none the less... :p 

Oh yes... btw i can also see what kind of a person you are... busy making laptops all day can get to you real fast... and I encourage you to proceed making Satyrical comments and ultimately leave a very IMPRESSIVE image on all your customer who are on this forum...

thanks for your support... mmmm?... but no thankx... :roll:
October 22, 2006 5:06:40 AM

Well seriously, I had to boil it down because the 3D Mark '06 scores posted are obviously made up, how can I not consider that just wasting time?

Furthermore, 3D Mark '05 is one aspect (the graphics) of the overall notebook, and it doesn't accurately reflect the new notebook technology of multiple cores AND is a synthetic benchmark. So to beat it to death doesn't make a lot of sense. Especially if you are not going to put up screen shots to back up your claims.

To base a notebook purchase decision on one synthetic benchmark is like saying, "I am going to marry this woman because she she nice hair." Ultimately it is going to come back and bite you in the butt.
October 22, 2006 6:54:29 PM

I understand some of the apprehension with a smaller company. Granted Dell, Alienware, Falcon-NW, Saber are larger companies. One thing about about killernotebooks, is that Mark is straight forward and will tell you like it is. He makes no bones about hardware. Is he satyrical, yes. But I tell you this, I emailed him with questions, and got an immediate response. Anyone sat through the Dell Hell NoHelp Tech Support? You get an honest to god person who knows what they are talking about.

Now, for the readers out there that want to comment on my posting number or any of the other credentials. So as to clarify I do know what I am talking about and am not just backing someone. I've worked with computers for 15 years. I've done hardware, software, networking, data recovery, security, network administration, custom system design, high-end gaming systems, OC to the max, etc.

What laptop do I own? Presario V2555US. Why that model? Good price at the time for my needs. Business laptop to do what I needed to do. Next notebook I buy? It will be a Wakazachi. It is round about where I want to spend, and has what I need in it.

For the performance question. I have a 4200 RPM drive. I've seen molasses travel uphill in January in Antarctica travel faster. 7200RPM will blow a 5400RPM away. Core Duo. Well, I am a HARDCORE AMD fan, and have been for years. After seeing what Core Duo can do firsthand, I have to say they finally handed it to AMD. It took a long time, but it does kick some serious butt.

As for benchmarks, they are great. The give an IDEA of what it can do. Real world performance is going to differ with two identically configured systems. One may fly, while the other may drag.

One more thing I can say, is that you will always know where you stand with Mark. Can anyone say that about Dell or Alienware?
October 24, 2006 4:44:52 AM

hmmm I do have a small issue with getting images onto the site, So here are the numbers i ran tonight while closeing shop at work.

2k5 (full boot) --> 9462

2k5 (tsr removed) --> 9546

I saved .jpg of each screen shot, and I also did the save of the details on each. I you would accept and email mr. killerN, I would be happy to attach these files, and send them for you to review.
October 24, 2006 5:03:52 AM

I just read an extensive review on the Alienware m9700 at TechWareLabs the 3D'06 Marks came in more like this:


The Executioner's 3D'06 Marks with a 256 MB 7900 GTX card I tested whips up on the dual 7900 GS, I can test the 7900 GTX with 512 MB and wait 2 weeks and you have the 7950 GTX 512 MB:


Focusing on 3D'05 Marks is fine, but like I have said over and over, it isn't an accurate reflection of overall system performance, in fact, it isn't even an accurate representation of current GPU standards, '06 is. I don't think people pay $3k plus for a gaming machine, and NOT want to play the newest games, and I'm sure they want it to last playing next gen games right? Seems like you would want to test on he newest 'synthetic" benchmark you could.

So when we look at the fact that a single 7900 GTX with 256 MB beats dual 7900 GS in SLi and that measuring PC'05 marks yields a 69% improvement on that benchmark with the Intel CPU, and considering the technology in the m9700 is old DDR with a Turion processor that can not be upgraded vs. the newest technology from Intel on both the CPU and RAM... I'm sure we can close the book on the m9700 vs. Executioner debate.
October 24, 2006 2:25:38 PM

ok, so I know that running the demo version of 2k5, you normaly don't score very high at all due to it not running all the tests,

is this the case with 2k6 version of 3dmark?
also is this the case with pcmark?

I am getting ready to run the 2k6, and pcmark for comparison purposes. =) but I dont have reg versions of 2k6 and pcmark.
October 24, 2006 3:01:03 PM

I am pretty sure you can run all the tests, you just can't post them, if I remember correctly.
October 24, 2006 3:54:41 PM

ahhh ok, in that case I will hit the demo versions.

BTW do you want those files I saved to my desktop?
I have 2 screen shots, and then those 2 .3dr files that show the over all results?
November 23, 2006 10:36:03 AM

well here a freeware program Polyformist so you can post pictures online for free and so on. http://img215.imageshack.us

All you have to do is print screen load up Windows Paint and paste and save Then load the website and make a password.

Oh if you dont have Paint. Use http://www.openoffice.org and download draw. Also freeware.

Sorry nice try I would love to see the benchmarks on the Amd Laptop? I bet killernotebooks would agree.

Your laptop look good KillerNotebooks. But I like light and fast laptops for the road. Like the Alainware m5550 with the t7600 512mb ram soon to be upgraded to 2gb and geforce 7600 go 256mb.
November 23, 2006 12:43:58 PM

Well, I will tell you honestly that a T7600 CPU and an nVidia 7600 GPU is a bad combo.
:arrow: The GPU is going to bottleneck the system
:arrow: the C2D T7600 is just cost you a lot of money for nothing.

A T7200 is fine for that video card, a T7400 is more than enough if you are number crunching, or doing processor intensive things and need a little extra. Save yourself the money.

To get the full effect of a Core2Duo you need a 7800 GTX or higher class card. I don't know why You are so pumped on Alienware, they are DELL's lapdog, and lost any credibility they once had in the gaming community... but everyone has their own ideas I guess.

I would think that if you wanted mobile performance you would look for the things that lead me to chose my portable system line.
:idea: Battery Life: 9 cell batteries that can play on for hours.
:idea: Size and weight: If you need portability to carry all day, to fit between the coach seating of the most frugal airlines, or on the train, you are talking about a 14.1", maybe a 15.4"
:idea: LCD: The best battery life in the perfect size chassis doesn't mean much if you can't see what you are doing. You need a bright screen for use anywhere outdoors, or with a window to the outdoors.
:idea: Ample power and performance. You don't want to go somewhere where you have to guess what components to choose. You don't want to have to be a hardware expert to configure a computer. You want to go somewhere where they are experts and only offer you the choices that are top of the line. Somewhere where you make your selections based on how much you need and personal preference, and rest assured you aren't getting slipped a 4,200 rpm hard drive to keep their upfront price lower, or cheap RAM that robs you of 3 or 4 percent of your overall system speed.

Quite predictably, Alienware has fallen into the DELL mould of cheap pricing, bargain deals, expensive upgrades and antiquated system components, where you need to be a computer expert to possibly select the right system for the level of performance you are paying for.

This thread was about a month old and was bumped, so I doubt anyone really cares about it anymore. The 7950 GTX is out, not only is it out, I have overclocked the thing an additional 10% over the 575/700 core and memory timings to 625/800. With my special cooling mods, it runs like a champ. It gets well over 10,000 3D'05 Marks so it decimates this dual card Alienware SLi rig.

Not only that, the dual 7950 GTX with X2 dual core in a 20" configuration is out and would throw ANY DELL, Alienware, VooDoo PC I mean HewlittPackard, and these other corporate gaming wanna-be's in a blender and drink it.

November 24, 2006 1:02:27 PM

KN,

Let polyformist go, he/she will never understand (until it's too late). All the minutia is fun to read, but the bottom line is that the C2D kicks the sh!t out of the Turion. All of the gaming companies are putting all of their energy into making multithreaded games, and not for the Conroe, for the Kentsfield. The C2D will obviosly reap the benefit. Let the uninformed, that prefer to battle than learn something, party on with old tech. I hope they enjoy it. A sucker is born every minute. Viva la Turion.
November 24, 2006 1:32:25 PM

Did KN hurt your little itty bitty feelings? awww doodoodbooboo
November 24, 2006 2:02:21 PM

As long as people know that the Alienware has a single core Turion, the choice should be simple.

The AMD X2 Dual Core though, has a couple things gamers should think about that isn't 100% CPU related when deciding on a platform. CPU vs. CPU the C2D is superior, but ancillary things to consider are:
:arrow: The onboard memory controller, which goes hand in hand with....
:arrow: The increased front side bus... which leads to
:arrow: DDR2-800 RAM that has now become available, and the...
:arrow: the nVidia controller chipset lend themselves to overclocking easier.

With the AM2 platform (of the dual core X2) you may be able to upgrade to the 4x4 Quad Core AMD in the future. AMD is pretty good about keeping their platforms for a long period of time. The Turion though, uses a different socket, and will not upgrade to a dual core X2.
December 4, 2006 8:12:24 AM

you thinking with amd changing there sockets every year to year in a half means there going to be upgradeable. I dont think so. Amd is the King of socket changes. So far I have seen 2 sockets for Amd moble chips. So please dont give the info Unless your 100% sure there going to be upgradeable. At frist when I heard about the 4x4 They seid it will work with the current am2 fx 62 chips 940 sockets. Sorry to say it looks like they went to the 1207 sockets. So That Amd 940 socket for am2 lasted what 7 Months tops?

Now

Where It would of cost you $1047 starting cost. $2500 with core 2 t7600. 2gb of ram geforce 7600 go 256 mb.

But unlike most people I know how to shop. starting cost $990 core 2 t7600 512mb of ram upgraded to 2gb. which cost $266 Geforce 7600 go free Total cost $2066 Savings of $434. Please note the 6600 geforce go would of been $100 more.

Oh about the geforce 7800 go. Why would I want a bigger laptop that 10 to 15lb. That eats battery life. So if I wanted to go anywhere I have to use the car battery or extra batterys to run the laptop? I am not talking about 30 Min drive. I am talking about a hour and 30 mins one way. So I wanted small and fast. So the laptop is 7lb and 15.4inch. 3 hours battery life and guess what that what I got.

All you are doing killernotebook is trying to sell your products on Toms hardware. Which I think it agenst the forum rules. Oh by the way dont we see any reviews of Killernotebook on tops hardware on Main page or in pc Mag or any reviews online like google dogpile or ask.com. Yet Alainware been on many reviews even pro-star been on a few reviews. It sure sounds like it not the best of the best.
December 4, 2006 8:45:37 PM

Oh did I push KillerNotebooks buttons. I think showing facts get the worse side of people. I guess we are starting to see killernotebook worse side.

Please killernotebook Please help people by giving info. Not your laptop advertisments.
December 5, 2006 12:14:10 AM

ROFL "Push" my buttons? Give me a break.
Atol, you have no idea what you are talking about.
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But unlike most people I know how to shop. starting cost $990 core 2 t7600 512mb of ram upgraded to 2gb. which cost $266 Geforce 7600 go free Total cost $2066 Savings of $434. Please note the 6600 geforce go would of been $100 more.
Your system configuration changes every 2 weeks Atol. The funny thing is, you don't even understand why that configuration is totally stupid. You paid a kings ransom for the biggest engine in a Yugo with doughnut tires on it.
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Oh by the way dont we see any reviews of Killernotebook on tops hardware on Main page or in pc Mag or any reviews online?
Obviously you don't research any of the stuff you talk about since there's one right on Tom's.
Killer Notebooks Executioner delivers Eurocom their last rites.
Friday Dec. 8th www.TechWareLabs.com - Executioner buries Alienware's m9700.
Later this month Tom's Hardware review on the Assassin X2, and Kodachi.

Atol, you are so far out of your league right now I am going to let you go run around your exercise wheel for a few hundred revolutions.

I don't know where this is coming from, but it wouldn't be so comical to me if I hadn't got this PM from someone I answered...
Quote:
I just wanted to thank you for you answer to me and all the many other posts that you've made here. Your posts are always well written, well informed and informative.

It also seems like you put up with a lot of abuse here sometimes and never loose your cool in your replies. I admire and respect that.

It's not easy to get rational information or opinions on mundane, day to day "business" compters sometimes on Tom's which is very youth and gaming oriented sometimes, but I think that your advice and opinions are practical, useful, informed and rational rather than of the just "Intel sucks" or "AMD sucks or rules", etc.

Sometimes the world is just a wee bit over emotional.

Thanks,
Gary

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Please killernotebook Please help people by giving info. Not your laptop advertisments.
Hey Atol, maybe you can check out some of these posts and point out to me where I am advertising so I can change the format of my posts to be more like yours... whatever that is exactly?!?
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/mobile/Buy-January-ftopict48084.html
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/mobile/bad-Dell-laptop-purchase-ftopict48083.html
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/mobile/slow-file-transfer-Plz-help-ftopict48088.html
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/mobile/Buying-laptop-screen-resolution-ftopict48093.html
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/mobile/GeForce-series-ftopict48094.html
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/mobile/88xx-series-year-ftopict48016.html
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/mobile/-ftopict48085.html
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/mobile/laptop-worth-GW-M680XL-ftopict48087.html
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/mobile/laptop-help-deciding-ftopict48013.html
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/mobile/mobile-GPUs-professional-professional-ftopict48053.html
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/mobile/Xmas-bonaza-play-station-400-ftopict48072.html

>>>If you can spare a hug for Atol it could be the one that makes the difference...<<<
December 5, 2006 4:52:33 AM

See you are the type that beleave your laptop is God. If it was such a good laptop. Where are the reviews. From Cnet Notebook reviews and pc Mag. tomshardware. and from other tech reviews. Other then your own words. There Nothing. Type in On google, Dogpile, Ask, Msn Search all I see is Nothing. So please explain this. Could it be that your laptop is nothing. Basicly a barebone system with your logo?

Or are you going to make more excuses. I think everyone in moble forums will like to hear why it not showing on any real tech reviews.

I think you are unprofessional due to the fact you are useing tomshardware Forums to sell you laptop. I can see why people are useing Cpu forums to get the right info. Like which cpu best and such for laptops.
December 5, 2006 12:17:26 PM

Meh... reading all the posts, I have to say KillerNotebooks has a pretty damn good grasp of notebooks in general, and I'm sure his notebooks are both built proffesionally and merticuously, but his attitude definitly leaves something to be desired. If you work for a company, you never, ever ridicule others, since it goes directly back to you. Would any other top tier integrater start "ROFL'ing" others because they don't know computer. Nope, they try to educate in a nice manner. If the person is being mean, they still have patience. First thing about customer support.

Quality and price is important, but so is customer service and respect. Only the best in the buisness can deliver everything, but you seem to be lacking in the last one. It's okay though, everyone learns. With age comes wisdom, and with wisdom, come profit. It's fine to spread things by word of mouth, but cramming it down people's throat is different. I used to work for an integrator and parts supplier, www.directron.com, and I still advertise for them every so often. But I always keep an open mind, and if anyone calls me out on something, I try to defend it, but never attack them back.

Now I'm back to the hardware forums... the mobility forums are too weird for me.
December 5, 2006 4:46:53 PM

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If it was such a good laptop. Where are the reviews.
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Or are you going to make more excuses. I think everyone in moble forums will like to hear why it not showing on any real tech reviews.

Right above your post that said K|N has no reviews, is the post where I gave you the link to the Tom's Hardware review that was done last month, and the review that is coming out this Friday from TechWareLabs.

Notebooks are considered good or bad Atol, based on standard benchmarks.
When you have a single card system turning out 10,440 3D'05 Marks laying waste to a dual card Alienware m9700 that yields 9,400 3DMarks, that's good. That's not opinion, that's the fact!
Alienware m9700 review benchmarks.
Executioner ~ 3DMarks, right on the bottom of the page.
:idea: Oh, yea, BTW, when the numbers are higher... they are better. Kind of hard to argue RAW numbers.
:idea: Also kind of hard to argue how Alienware was caught threatening review sites to give them good reviews.
:arrow: They had the same problem with their 5500 system that was reviewed, the review was bad, they sent another system and it blew up on the test bed.
Alienware has a lot of clout, so they can push some of the people around some of the time, but their day has come and gone... and they know it. You want to capture the gaming market you need to be on the edge, and they are far from that.
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I think you are unprofessional due to the fact you are useing tomshardware Forums to sell you laptop.

I gave you 11 links, my past 11 posts, now you have about 15 after today, but none of them you can show where I am selling anything. So since you can't put up, maybe you could... well, see if you can figure it out.
What I don't understand Atol, is
1. Where is this coming from?
2. You have talked more about Killer Notebooks than I have in my last 20 posts combined!
3. Other than what you have made up yourself vs. the actual links to the posts I have made, I seriously DON'T SEE WHAT YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT.

At the end of the day the topic of the Alienware m9700 has been beat to death and like I said above, the 3D'06 numbers he posted were fake. You have real test numbers, and real forum member numbers about HALF of what he posted... I can build the EXACT same system with faster cards, but it is a product at the end of its life cycle and I don't rip people off on obsolete junk! THIS is the bottom line:
m9700 Alienware Review & formum member posts.

Thing was spanked end of story.

A hug you can share today could put Atol in a happy place.
December 6, 2006 3:32:15 AM

Here's a follow up:
TechWareLabs notebook buyers guide
Page 3 - Scenarios
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Excellent laptops are offered from several manufacturers including Dell, Gateway, Compaq, HP, Lenovo, Alienware, Killer Notebooks, Asus, and more. Consumers should keep in mind that their options grow with their budget and that several of the custom high end laptop retailers produce not only eye catching but also amazing performance laptops.

December 14, 2006 5:47:07 PM

not to biatch about things but LOLZ Atol got PWNT!. stop BS'ing and go suck a dummy Atol i dont know much about notebooks but everything you posted look like BS even to me. :lol: 
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