Song License

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I am trying to license a song for use on a CD that I am producing, I am new
to this license stuff. If this is the wrong group then please suggest were
for me to go next.

Fox Agency has 66% and suggested that I contact the publisher for the rest
which I am unable to find. Fox also says that a compulsory one can be
obtained through the Copyright office but I am unable to find the song
there. I may have missed the answer but I am stuck. Any suggestions?

Why do they make it so hard for the people that want to pay the royalties?

Thanks for any help.

John




Details:

Pray For The Fish:
Performed by Randy Travis

Written by Phillip Moore, Ray Scott and Dan Murph.
(© Green Dogg Music Inc. / Springer Ink.)
From "Rise And Shine", © 2002, Warner.

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Hi,
I may be wrong. But here,once the song is already realeased it is in
the Public domain and can be recorded and released by anybody as long
as it retains the integrity of the original, ie. is not a lampoon etc.
When you register the Album all the writers are credited with their
respective work and the royalties are directed to them. I am no
stranger to Counry Albums usually including a few standards here and
there and this is how they are dealt with.
Regards...

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"studiorat" wrote ...
> I may be wrong. But here,once the song is already realeased
> it is in the Public domain

No. In the US, once a song has been recorded and released,
the compulsory license applies and you don't need further
permission to make recordings. However license requirements
still apply ("mechanical" for sound recordings, "synchronization"
for film/video, etc.) And the licenses usually involve fees to
be paid to the copyright holder.

After many years(*), copyrights expire and the song becomes
"Public Domain". Anyone may then record it without license
or fees since nobody owns rights anymore.

(*) the number of years continues to increase as the US
congress-critters keep changing the law at the request of
a famous mouse from Anaheim and Orlando. :-)

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Songfile.com is the same as Harry Fox Agency and they only have 67%.

From the site:


Mechanical License Request - Restricted Quantities HFA Song Code:
P2942J Song Title: PRAY FOR THE FISH
Song Writer: PHILLIP MOORE, RAY SCOTT, DAN MURPHY


We can provide you with 66.67% of the license for this song.







"skhoover" <skhoover@charter.net> wrote in message
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>
> "John Phillips" <jsp5646@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0Ozne.8322$az3.873860@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>> I am trying to license a song for use on a CD that I am producing, I am
> new
>> to this license stuff. If this is the wrong group then please suggest
> were
>> for me to go next.
>>
>> Fox Agency has 66% and suggested that I contact the publisher for the
>> rest
>> which I am unable to find. Fox also says that a compulsory one can be
>> obtained through the Copyright office but I am unable to find the song
>> there. I may have missed the answer but I am stuck. Any suggestions?
>>
>> Why do they make it so hard for the people that want to pay the
>> royalties?
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Details:
>>
>> Pray For The Fish:
>> Performed by Randy Travis
>>
>> Written by Phillip Moore, Ray Scott and Dan Murph.
>> (© Green Dogg Music Inc. / Springer Ink.)
>> From "Rise And Shine", © 2002, Warner.
>
> try www.songfile.com
>
>
>
>


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Malachi wrote:

> I've never heard of the HFA only being able to license a percentage of a
> song. Got me stumped there.

I ran into that last year for a client's project. Had to track down the
rest of it to get good to go.

--
ha

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Looking at BMI, all three authors are listed on BMI under Current
Affiliation so go figure.

I am working with a lady that is doing a cover version of the song. I am in
the beginning stages of starting my home studio and I have a lot to learn.
What I do not understand is that they will sue you for stealing songs but
they make it so hard to license them, the system needs fixing.

I now see how to find the song at the Copyright office but what confuses me
is when Fox Agency said "..a compulsory one can be
obtained through the Copyright office". I assumed that I could pay the
Copyright office for the song but I can not figure out how to do that. I
found all the pdf's on how to do many things but I did not see how to send
money to get the license (it may be there, I just did not see it). Is it
possible to license songs through the Copyright office?

Thanks,

John


"TMK" <heytud@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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John Phillips wrote:
> I am trying to license a song for use on a CD that I am producing,
>
> Fox Agency has 66%
> Details: Pray For The Fish:
> Performed by Randy Travis Written by Phillip Moore, Ray Scott and Dan
> Murph.
> (© Green Dogg Music Inc. / Springer Ink.)
> From "Rise And Shine", © 2002, Warner.


My guess is that two of the three credited writers (i.e. 66%) have
affiliations with BMI or ASCAP and have cleared them to collect
royalties, while the third writer either has no affiliation with a
performing rights organization, or is affiliated with an agency that HFA
doesn't deal with. Note there are only two publishers mentioned (Green
Dogg Music, Springer Ink).

I had no problem finding it at the US Copyright office:

Registration Number: PA-1-113-835
Title: Pray for the fish.
Imprint: Nashville : Tom Collins Productions, [2002]
Description: Compact disc.
Claimant: Green Dogg Music, Inc., & Springer Ink
Created: 2002
Published: 15Oct02
Registered: 27Dec02
Author on © Application: words & music: Phillip Franklin Moore ,
1970-, Carlton Ray Scott , 1969-, Dan Murph , 1969-.
Special Codes: 3/M/L

BTW, are you trying to license the recording to include in a compilation
CD or just license the song to do a cover? Everyone here (including me)
has assumed the latter, but your mention of Randy Travis and Warner
makes me wonder. Licensing the recording is a different thing.

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John Phillips wrote:
> Looking at BMI, all three authors are listed on BMI under Current
> Affiliation so go figure.
>
> I am working with a lady that is doing a cover version of the song. I am in
> the beginning stages of starting my home studio and I have a lot to learn.
> What I do not understand is that they will sue you for stealing songs but
> they make it so hard to license them, the system needs fixing.
>
> I now see how to find the song at the Copyright office but what confuses me
> is when Fox Agency said "..a compulsory one can be
> obtained through the Copyright office". I assumed that I could pay the
> Copyright office for the song but I can not figure out how to do that. I
> found all the pdf's on how to do many things but I did not see how to send
> money to get the license (it may be there, I just did not see it). Is it
> possible to license songs through the Copyright office?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>
> "TMK" <heytud@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:11a0q37q2kss2f6@corp.supernews.com...
> John Phillips wrote:
>
>>I am trying to license a song for use on a CD that I am producing,
>>
>>Fox Agency has 66%
>>Details: Pray For The Fish:
>>Performed by Randy Travis Written by Phillip Moore, Ray Scott and Dan
>>Murph.
>>(© Green Dogg Music Inc. / Springer Ink.)
>>From "Rise And Shine", © 2002, Warner.
>
>
>
> My guess is that two of the three credited writers (i.e. 66%) have
> affiliations with BMI or ASCAP and have cleared them to collect
> royalties, while the third writer either has no affiliation with a
> performing rights organization, or is affiliated with an agency that HFA
> doesn't deal with. Note there are only two publishers mentioned (Green
> Dogg Music, Springer Ink).
>
> I had no problem finding it at the US Copyright office:
>
> Registration Number: PA-1-113-835
> Title: Pray for the fish.
> Imprint: Nashville : Tom Collins Productions, [2002]
> Description: Compact disc.
> Claimant: Green Dogg Music, Inc., & Springer Ink
> Created: 2002
> Published: 15Oct02
> Registered: 27Dec02
> Author on © Application: words & music: Phillip Franklin Moore ,
> 1970-, Carlton Ray Scott , 1969-, Dan Murph , 1969-.
> Special Codes: 3/M/L
>
> BTW, are you trying to license the recording to include in a compilation
> CD or just license the song to do a cover? Everyone here (including me)
> has assumed the latter, but your mention of Randy Travis and Warner
> makes me wonder. Licensing the recording is a different thing.

http://www.copyright.gov/title37/201/37cfr201-18.html