(Norton) Ghost Stories
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Based on the recommendations of several people here, I picked up a
copy of Norton Ghost. Being the cheapskate that I am, I bought an OEM
copy of Ghost 2003 from Newegg for $15 rather than the latest retail
copy for $65 or so. I had two goals in mind. One was to clone the
drive in my laptop computer since I suspect that the origianal one may
be going bad. Second, was just to start being more diligent about
general backups.
Another weekend, another hamfest. I bought a USB-to-IDE cable gizmo
for $20. No perceivalbe brand name (hence no web site to go to for the
latest drivers if necessary), made in China. Came with a CD that
may be in Chinese (the documentation files, one as a .doc the other as
a .pdf, will open). Simple, kind of like the Weibetech Firewire lump
that Hank praises. I thought I'd give USB a try for the price. Plugged
a drive into it, plugged it into the USB port on my laptop, and voila!
I could access the drive just like a real one. A little slow since the
laptop has only a USB 1.1 port and this gadget is capable of
supporting USB 2.0, but it seemed to work fine. Tried it on the Win2K
computer (also USB 1.1 but I have a 2.0 card sitting here ready to
install) and that worked fine too. No installation necessary.
There's what seems to be a driver for Win98 on the CD. I instsalled
that on the studio computer, it said the driver was installed, but it
didn't work - the computer recognized that an unknown USB device was
connected and asked for a driver. Oh, well, no big deal. One of these
days that computer will be replaced anyway.
So, feeling confident that I had a usable external drive to which to
clone or back up to, I loaded Ghost up on the laptop (XP) and it
doesn't work. It starts to work - it finds the USB drive and I can set
it as a destination. It gets as far as writing the file name of the
Ghost image to the drive, but then quits and says it can't find the
destination drive. And, once Ghost has started, neither can I. If I
ran Ghost from Windows, I could get the drive back by unplugging the
USB cable and re-plugging it. If I ran Ghost from a Ghost-created DOS
boot floppy, I have to re-start Windows and re-plug the USB cable in
order to see the drive.
I haven't found anything useful on the Symantic knowledge base. I'm
waiting for an e-mail reply from Tech Support, but since there are
some Ghost users here, if anyone has experience with using it with an
external USB drive, tell me what makes it work if you have any more to
say than "it always worked for me."
Even if Ghost never works with this USB-IDE cable rig, I'll get my $20
out of it, and if Ghost never works for me at all, I've only lost $15,
but I've put my two hours into getting it to work and now it's time to
either get help or throw it away.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
Based on the recommendations of several people here, I picked up a
copy of Norton Ghost. Being the cheapskate that I am, I bought an OEM
copy of Ghost 2003 from Newegg for $15 rather than the latest retail
copy for $65 or so. I had two goals in mind. One was to clone the
drive in my laptop computer since I suspect that the origianal one may
be going bad. Second, was just to start being more diligent about
general backups.
Another weekend, another hamfest. I bought a USB-to-IDE cable gizmo
for $20. No perceivalbe brand name (hence no web site to go to for the
latest drivers if necessary), made in China. Came with a CD that
may be in Chinese (the documentation files, one as a .doc the other as
a .pdf, will open). Simple, kind of like the Weibetech Firewire lump
that Hank praises. I thought I'd give USB a try for the price. Plugged
a drive into it, plugged it into the USB port on my laptop, and voila!
I could access the drive just like a real one. A little slow since the
laptop has only a USB 1.1 port and this gadget is capable of
supporting USB 2.0, but it seemed to work fine. Tried it on the Win2K
computer (also USB 1.1 but I have a 2.0 card sitting here ready to
install) and that worked fine too. No installation necessary.
There's what seems to be a driver for Win98 on the CD. I instsalled
that on the studio computer, it said the driver was installed, but it
didn't work - the computer recognized that an unknown USB device was
connected and asked for a driver. Oh, well, no big deal. One of these
days that computer will be replaced anyway.
So, feeling confident that I had a usable external drive to which to
clone or back up to, I loaded Ghost up on the laptop (XP) and it
doesn't work. It starts to work - it finds the USB drive and I can set
it as a destination. It gets as far as writing the file name of the
Ghost image to the drive, but then quits and says it can't find the
destination drive. And, once Ghost has started, neither can I. If I
ran Ghost from Windows, I could get the drive back by unplugging the
USB cable and re-plugging it. If I ran Ghost from a Ghost-created DOS
boot floppy, I have to re-start Windows and re-plug the USB cable in
order to see the drive.
I haven't found anything useful on the Symantic knowledge base. I'm
waiting for an e-mail reply from Tech Support, but since there are
some Ghost users here, if anyone has experience with using it with an
external USB drive, tell me what makes it work if you have any more to
say than "it always worked for me."
Even if Ghost never works with this USB-IDE cable rig, I'll get my $20
out of it, and if Ghost never works for me at all, I've only lost $15,
but I've put my two hours into getting it to work and now it's time to
either get help or throw it away.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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Mike Rivers wrote:
> Based on the recommendations of several people here, I
picked up a
> copy of Norton Ghost. Being the cheapskate that I am, I
bought an OEM
> copy of Ghost 2003 from Newegg for $15 rather than the
latest retail
> copy for $65 or so. I had two goals in mind. One was to
clone the
> drive in my laptop computer since I suspect that the
origianal one may
> be going bad. Second, was just to start being more
diligent about
> general backups.
IME Ghost 2003 is the real thing - I use it routinely to
clone hard drives and it just works, subject to some
real-world considerations that make sense to me.
For my application, the sequel release, I believe called
Ghost 9 has zero benefits.
>Another weekend, another hamfest. I bought a USB-to-IDE
cable gizmo
>for $20. No perceivalbe brand name (hence no web site to go
to for the
>latest drivers if necessary), made in China. Came with a CD
that
>may be in Chinese (the documentation files, one as a .doc
the other as
>a .pdf, will open).
Ironically, while my experiences with USB IDE drive cases is
near-perfect-good, my experiences with the stand-alone
USB-to-IDE adaptor cables is near-perfect-disaster. I've
tried two - one from my distributor with just a standard IDE
plug on it, and one from eBay with a dual
half-height/laptop plug on it, and they are both very
flakey. I've seen both total refusals to recognize drives
and also recognition of drives followed by no joy at all
when it came to actually doing something useful with the
drive. The results may be dependent on what USB chip is in
the host computer.
Based on these experiences, I just fell back on my USB IDE
drive enclosure and/or the old tried-and-true just hook the
drives up to a working motherboard, for drive cloning.
There are such things as plug adaptors to mate laptop drives
with regular IDE cables, and IME they work. Just don't hook
them up backwards or there will be a puff of smoke and the
adaptor will be a few pc land traces short of working. Hard
drives come out of laptops pretty easy once you figure out
the trick, which is different for just about every laptop.
Mike Rivers wrote:
> Based on the recommendations of several people here, I
picked up a
> copy of Norton Ghost. Being the cheapskate that I am, I
bought an OEM
> copy of Ghost 2003 from Newegg for $15 rather than the
latest retail
> copy for $65 or so. I had two goals in mind. One was to
clone the
> drive in my laptop computer since I suspect that the
origianal one may
> be going bad. Second, was just to start being more
diligent about
> general backups.
IME Ghost 2003 is the real thing - I use it routinely to
clone hard drives and it just works, subject to some
real-world considerations that make sense to me.
For my application, the sequel release, I believe called
Ghost 9 has zero benefits.
>Another weekend, another hamfest. I bought a USB-to-IDE
cable gizmo
>for $20. No perceivalbe brand name (hence no web site to go
to for the
>latest drivers if necessary), made in China. Came with a CD
that
>may be in Chinese (the documentation files, one as a .doc
the other as
>a .pdf, will open).
Ironically, while my experiences with USB IDE drive cases is
near-perfect-good, my experiences with the stand-alone
USB-to-IDE adaptor cables is near-perfect-disaster. I've
tried two - one from my distributor with just a standard IDE
plug on it, and one from eBay with a dual
half-height/laptop plug on it, and they are both very
flakey. I've seen both total refusals to recognize drives
and also recognition of drives followed by no joy at all
when it came to actually doing something useful with the
drive. The results may be dependent on what USB chip is in
the host computer.
Based on these experiences, I just fell back on my USB IDE
drive enclosure and/or the old tried-and-true just hook the
drives up to a working motherboard, for drive cloning.
There are such things as plug adaptors to mate laptop drives
with regular IDE cables, and IME they work. Just don't hook
them up backwards or there will be a puff of smoke and the
adaptor will be a few pc land traces short of working. Hard
drives come out of laptops pretty easy once you figure out
the trick, which is different for just about every laptop.
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In article <O6CdnV7sH9Py1DnfRVn-sw@comcast.com> arnyk@hotpop.com writes:
> IME Ghost 2003 is the real thing - I use it routinely to
> clone hard drives and it just works, subject to some
> real-world considerations that make sense to me.
I found the user interface (so far anyway) to be kind of klunky and
not very helpfully labeled, but there really isn't much to do, so I
guess it'll work eventually. It would be easy to test it on the studio
computer (cloning its Win98 drive) since I have a removable drive bay
set up in that one. But it won't help to clone the laptop drive, which
I probably will have to do sooner or later anyway.
> Ironically, while my experiences with USB IDE drive cases is
> near-perfect-good, my experiences with the stand-alone
> USB-to-IDE adaptor cables is near-perfect-disaster. I've
> tried two - one from my distributor with just a standard IDE
> plug on it, and one from eBay with a dual
> half-height/laptop plug on it, and they are both very
> flakey.
Sigh . . . well that sounds close to the situation here. I'd been
eyeing a combination USB/Firewire case but I think I'll wait for Micro
Center to have a special on it so I can buy it for $40 instead of $55,
and take it back if I'm not happy with it.
Gotta go back there anyway. I picked up a USB 2.0 card for $9.95 that
I was going to put in my office desktop computer and it doesn't fit in
the slot. The card is a Compaq brand, the computer is a Dell, and the
cutout in the back of the computer isn't wide enough for the USB
sockets, which are oriented horizontally. Also, the bracket is too far
forward of the circuit board - when it's flush with the case, the
edgeboard is offset back about 1/8" from where it would mate. I don't
want to hack up the sheet metal.
A friend loaned me an EZ-Gig PCMCIA drive adapter that's designed
explicitly for cloning a laptop drive. It has only a laptop-sized
connector on the drive end, so I can't play with it until I buy a new
laptop drive. I like deals like this - stuff that an individual only
needs once or twice in a lifetime shouldn't have to buy it. There
shold be a computer tool co-op. But then I guess that's where these
companies make their money.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
In article <O6CdnV7sH9Py1DnfRVn-sw@comcast.com> arnyk@hotpop.com writes:
> IME Ghost 2003 is the real thing - I use it routinely to
> clone hard drives and it just works, subject to some
> real-world considerations that make sense to me.
I found the user interface (so far anyway) to be kind of klunky and
not very helpfully labeled, but there really isn't much to do, so I
guess it'll work eventually. It would be easy to test it on the studio
computer (cloning its Win98 drive) since I have a removable drive bay
set up in that one. But it won't help to clone the laptop drive, which
I probably will have to do sooner or later anyway.
> Ironically, while my experiences with USB IDE drive cases is
> near-perfect-good, my experiences with the stand-alone
> USB-to-IDE adaptor cables is near-perfect-disaster. I've
> tried two - one from my distributor with just a standard IDE
> plug on it, and one from eBay with a dual
> half-height/laptop plug on it, and they are both very
> flakey.
Sigh . . . well that sounds close to the situation here. I'd been
eyeing a combination USB/Firewire case but I think I'll wait for Micro
Center to have a special on it so I can buy it for $40 instead of $55,
and take it back if I'm not happy with it.
Gotta go back there anyway. I picked up a USB 2.0 card for $9.95 that
I was going to put in my office desktop computer and it doesn't fit in
the slot. The card is a Compaq brand, the computer is a Dell, and the
cutout in the back of the computer isn't wide enough for the USB
sockets, which are oriented horizontally. Also, the bracket is too far
forward of the circuit board - when it's flush with the case, the
edgeboard is offset back about 1/8" from where it would mate. I don't
want to hack up the sheet metal.
A friend loaned me an EZ-Gig PCMCIA drive adapter that's designed
explicitly for cloning a laptop drive. It has only a laptop-sized
connector on the drive end, so I can't play with it until I buy a new
laptop drive. I like deals like this - stuff that an individual only
needs once or twice in a lifetime shouldn't have to buy it. There
shold be a computer tool co-op. But then I guess that's where these
companies make their money.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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>IME Ghost 2003 is the real thing - I use it routinely to
>clone hard drives and it just works, subject to some
>real-world considerations that make sense to me.
>
I'm not sure if 2003 will back up the active system partition/drive
from XP, but 9 will.
I upgraded from a really old version that got a ton of use and it's
great not to have to deal with dos for routine backup.
Frank /~ http://newmex.com/f10
@/
>IME Ghost 2003 is the real thing - I use it routinely to
>clone hard drives and it just works, subject to some
>real-world considerations that make sense to me.
>
I'm not sure if 2003 will back up the active system partition/drive
from XP, but 9 will.
I upgraded from a really old version that got a ton of use and it's
great not to have to deal with dos for routine backup.
Frank /~ http://newmex.com/f10
@/
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I bought Ghost 9 to clone an internal IDE drive to another internal
IDE. Never could get it to work, would run for 12-15 hours then hang
one way or another, or would say it was finished yet the new disk
wouldn't boot, time and again. grrrr.
I finally gave up and downloaded MaxBlast 4 from Maxtor's website, for
free. What a relief, absolutely a piece of cake to use, perfect clone
the first time. If one of your drives is a Maxtor you could try
that... http://tinyurl.com/5cnuy
A DOS version is available too.
Steve
I bought Ghost 9 to clone an internal IDE drive to another internal
IDE. Never could get it to work, would run for 12-15 hours then hang
one way or another, or would say it was finished yet the new disk
wouldn't boot, time and again. grrrr.
I finally gave up and downloaded MaxBlast 4 from Maxtor's website, for
free. What a relief, absolutely a piece of cake to use, perfect clone
the first time. If one of your drives is a Maxtor you could try
that... http://tinyurl.com/5cnuy
A DOS version is available too.
Steve
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Hi MIke, I've run into issues with Ghost before. Ghost 2000 has an web
update type feature for the software. Some PC's I've used it on are
purposefully not on the web so I had to kludge and hack to find update
files that cover newer hardware etc. that would have been fixed using
the web update.
Hi MIke, I've run into issues with Ghost before. Ghost 2000 has an web
update type feature for the software. Some PC's I've used it on are
purposefully not on the web so I had to kludge and hack to find update
files that cover newer hardware etc. that would have been fixed using
the web update.
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In article <cg4aa1lpcughnnhgcesv844eaj7juemvjf@4ax.com> deepthrob@gmail.com writes:
> I'm not sure if 2003 will back up the active system partition/drive
> from XP, but 9 will.
That would be an outrageous omission if this was the case, but it
doesn't appear to complain about setting the active partition as the
backup source and something else as the destination.
However, I have the same problem when I boot the computer from the
boot floppy that Ghost 2003 creates. Would that (the floppy) then be
the "active" partition?
> I upgraded from a really old version that got a ton of use and it's
> great not to have to deal with dos for routine backup.
If I have that problem, I don't know it yet. It seems to lose the USB
destination drive before it gets down to doing any real work. I hate
to keep buying stuff, though, just to see what works and what doesn't.
I'll wait for a good sale at a real computer store (where I can return
it) on a full sized Firewire or USB case based on Arny's experience
with the simple cable adapter that I'm using.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
In article <cg4aa1lpcughnnhgcesv844eaj7juemvjf@4ax.com> deepthrob@gmail.com writes:
> I'm not sure if 2003 will back up the active system partition/drive
> from XP, but 9 will.
That would be an outrageous omission if this was the case, but it
doesn't appear to complain about setting the active partition as the
backup source and something else as the destination.
However, I have the same problem when I boot the computer from the
boot floppy that Ghost 2003 creates. Would that (the floppy) then be
the "active" partition?
> I upgraded from a really old version that got a ton of use and it's
> great not to have to deal with dos for routine backup.
If I have that problem, I don't know it yet. It seems to lose the USB
destination drive before it gets down to doing any real work. I hate
to keep buying stuff, though, just to see what works and what doesn't.
I'll wait for a good sale at a real computer store (where I can return
it) on a full sized Firewire or USB case based on Arny's experience
with the simple cable adapter that I'm using.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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In article <1118127485.422169.264370@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> squeegybug@netspace1.com writes:
> I bought Ghost 9 to clone an internal IDE drive to another internal
> IDE. Never could get it to work, would run for 12-15 hours then hang
> one way or another, or would say it was finished yet the new disk
> wouldn't boot, time and again. grrrr.
That's disappointing, but it's contrary to the recommendations that
I've seen for the program (at least earlier versions than Ghost 9).
There are several suggestions in the Readme file for fixing a drive
that's been cloned but won't boot, though I'm not sure I fully
understand them all. I haven't got that far, obviously.
> I finally gave up and downloaded MaxBlast 4 from Maxtor's website, for
> free. What a relief, absolutely a piece of cake to use, perfect clone
> the first time. If one of your drives is a Maxtor you could try
> that...
The first time I upgraded a computer with a disk transplant, I had
purchased a Maxtor drive and was pleasantly surprised to find MaxBlast
(it was on a floppy at the time) in the package. Since it looked like
it was a simple way to do what I thought was going to be a fairly
complicated job, I gave it a try and it worked perfectly. I'm still
running that 20 GB drive on my studio computer.
Does MaxBlast work on a laptop drive? In fact, does Maxtor even make a
laptop-sized drive? I just went to their web site and could find no
mention of that product line. I know that Western Digital has a
similar "clone" program for their drives, and WD does make laptop
drives. However, even the retail packaged WD laptop drive apparently
doesn't come with anything other than the drive, and the package (and
the web site) says something like "Professional installation
recommended."
A program like MaxBlast works fine in a full sized computer because
there's always a way to at least temporarily connect two drives, but
with a laptop, one of those drives has to be external, and implies
that there has to be a driver that's loaded on boot-up which will
allow the program to talk to the drive through the connected port.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
In article <1118127485.422169.264370@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> squeegybug@netspace1.com writes:
> I bought Ghost 9 to clone an internal IDE drive to another internal
> IDE. Never could get it to work, would run for 12-15 hours then hang
> one way or another, or would say it was finished yet the new disk
> wouldn't boot, time and again. grrrr.
That's disappointing, but it's contrary to the recommendations that
I've seen for the program (at least earlier versions than Ghost 9).
There are several suggestions in the Readme file for fixing a drive
that's been cloned but won't boot, though I'm not sure I fully
understand them all. I haven't got that far, obviously.
> I finally gave up and downloaded MaxBlast 4 from Maxtor's website, for
> free. What a relief, absolutely a piece of cake to use, perfect clone
> the first time. If one of your drives is a Maxtor you could try
> that...
The first time I upgraded a computer with a disk transplant, I had
purchased a Maxtor drive and was pleasantly surprised to find MaxBlast
(it was on a floppy at the time) in the package. Since it looked like
it was a simple way to do what I thought was going to be a fairly
complicated job, I gave it a try and it worked perfectly. I'm still
running that 20 GB drive on my studio computer.
Does MaxBlast work on a laptop drive? In fact, does Maxtor even make a
laptop-sized drive? I just went to their web site and could find no
mention of that product line. I know that Western Digital has a
similar "clone" program for their drives, and WD does make laptop
drives. However, even the retail packaged WD laptop drive apparently
doesn't come with anything other than the drive, and the package (and
the web site) says something like "Professional installation
recommended."
A program like MaxBlast works fine in a full sized computer because
there's always a way to at least temporarily connect two drives, but
with a laptop, one of those drives has to be external, and implies
that there has to be a driver that's loaded on boot-up which will
allow the program to talk to the drive through the connected port.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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On 7 Jun 2005 09:58:07 -0400, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) wrote:
>However, I have the same problem when I boot the computer from the
>boot floppy that Ghost 2003 creates. Would that (the floppy) then be
>the "active" partition?
>
I would suppose, but that's not the partition you want to back up.
When I clone laptop drives, I use a couple of those $3 laptop to IDE
adapters. Really makes the job easier.
Frank /~ http://newmex.com/f10
@/
On 7 Jun 2005 09:58:07 -0400, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) wrote:
>However, I have the same problem when I boot the computer from the
>boot floppy that Ghost 2003 creates. Would that (the floppy) then be
>the "active" partition?
>
I would suppose, but that's not the partition you want to back up.
When I clone laptop drives, I use a couple of those $3 laptop to IDE
adapters. Really makes the job easier.
Frank /~ http://newmex.com/f10
@/
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Kind normal in that some devices (USB and firewire) may be noticed by the
OS, but not by the application. I have the same problem under XP with my
firewire video capture ADVC100. I've learned to turn off the device, start
the app, and when it says it doesn't see a device, I simply turn on the
capture device and everything works just fine for the duration.
It's a minimal problem, but this is a workaround I've figured out and it
works on USB devices the same way. So unplug the drive, start Ghost and
then plug the drive in and see if that works.
--
Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/
"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
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>
> Based on the recommendations of several people here, I picked up a
> copy of Norton Ghost. Being the cheapskate that I am, I bought an OEM
> copy of Ghost 2003 from Newegg for $15 rather than the latest retail
> copy for $65 or so. I had two goals in mind. One was to clone the
> drive in my laptop computer since I suspect that the origianal one may
> be going bad. Second, was just to start being more diligent about
> general backups.
>
> Another weekend, another hamfest. I bought a USB-to-IDE cable gizmo
> for $20. No perceivalbe brand name (hence no web site to go to for the
> latest drivers if necessary), made in China. Came with a CD that
> may be in Chinese (the documentation files, one as a .doc the other as
> a .pdf, will open). Simple, kind of like the Weibetech Firewire lump
> that Hank praises. I thought I'd give USB a try for the price. Plugged
> a drive into it, plugged it into the USB port on my laptop, and voila!
> I could access the drive just like a real one. A little slow since the
> laptop has only a USB 1.1 port and this gadget is capable of
> supporting USB 2.0, but it seemed to work fine. Tried it on the Win2K
> computer (also USB 1.1 but I have a 2.0 card sitting here ready to
> install) and that worked fine too. No installation necessary.
>
> There's what seems to be a driver for Win98 on the CD. I instsalled
> that on the studio computer, it said the driver was installed, but it
> didn't work - the computer recognized that an unknown USB device was
> connected and asked for a driver. Oh, well, no big deal. One of these
> days that computer will be replaced anyway.
>
> So, feeling confident that I had a usable external drive to which to
> clone or back up to, I loaded Ghost up on the laptop (XP) and it
> doesn't work. It starts to work - it finds the USB drive and I can set
> it as a destination. It gets as far as writing the file name of the
> Ghost image to the drive, but then quits and says it can't find the
> destination drive. And, once Ghost has started, neither can I. If I
> ran Ghost from Windows, I could get the drive back by unplugging the
> USB cable and re-plugging it. If I ran Ghost from a Ghost-created DOS
> boot floppy, I have to re-start Windows and re-plug the USB cable in
> order to see the drive.
>
> I haven't found anything useful on the Symantic knowledge base. I'm
> waiting for an e-mail reply from Tech Support, but since there are
> some Ghost users here, if anyone has experience with using it with an
> external USB drive, tell me what makes it work if you have any more to
> say than "it always worked for me."
>
> Even if Ghost never works with this USB-IDE cable rig, I'll get my $20
> out of it, and if Ghost never works for me at all, I've only lost $15,
> but I've put my two hours into getting it to work and now it's time to
> either get help or throw it away.
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
Kind normal in that some devices (USB and firewire) may be noticed by the
OS, but not by the application. I have the same problem under XP with my
firewire video capture ADVC100. I've learned to turn off the device, start
the app, and when it says it doesn't see a device, I simply turn on the
capture device and everything works just fine for the duration.
It's a minimal problem, but this is a workaround I've figured out and it
works on USB devices the same way. So unplug the drive, start Ghost and
then plug the drive in and see if that works.
--
Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/
"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
news:znr1118055610k@trad...
>
> Based on the recommendations of several people here, I picked up a
> copy of Norton Ghost. Being the cheapskate that I am, I bought an OEM
> copy of Ghost 2003 from Newegg for $15 rather than the latest retail
> copy for $65 or so. I had two goals in mind. One was to clone the
> drive in my laptop computer since I suspect that the origianal one may
> be going bad. Second, was just to start being more diligent about
> general backups.
>
> Another weekend, another hamfest. I bought a USB-to-IDE cable gizmo
> for $20. No perceivalbe brand name (hence no web site to go to for the
> latest drivers if necessary), made in China. Came with a CD that
> may be in Chinese (the documentation files, one as a .doc the other as
> a .pdf, will open). Simple, kind of like the Weibetech Firewire lump
> that Hank praises. I thought I'd give USB a try for the price. Plugged
> a drive into it, plugged it into the USB port on my laptop, and voila!
> I could access the drive just like a real one. A little slow since the
> laptop has only a USB 1.1 port and this gadget is capable of
> supporting USB 2.0, but it seemed to work fine. Tried it on the Win2K
> computer (also USB 1.1 but I have a 2.0 card sitting here ready to
> install) and that worked fine too. No installation necessary.
>
> There's what seems to be a driver for Win98 on the CD. I instsalled
> that on the studio computer, it said the driver was installed, but it
> didn't work - the computer recognized that an unknown USB device was
> connected and asked for a driver. Oh, well, no big deal. One of these
> days that computer will be replaced anyway.
>
> So, feeling confident that I had a usable external drive to which to
> clone or back up to, I loaded Ghost up on the laptop (XP) and it
> doesn't work. It starts to work - it finds the USB drive and I can set
> it as a destination. It gets as far as writing the file name of the
> Ghost image to the drive, but then quits and says it can't find the
> destination drive. And, once Ghost has started, neither can I. If I
> ran Ghost from Windows, I could get the drive back by unplugging the
> USB cable and re-plugging it. If I ran Ghost from a Ghost-created DOS
> boot floppy, I have to re-start Windows and re-plug the USB cable in
> order to see the drive.
>
> I haven't found anything useful on the Symantic knowledge base. I'm
> waiting for an e-mail reply from Tech Support, but since there are
> some Ghost users here, if anyone has experience with using it with an
> external USB drive, tell me what makes it work if you have any more to
> say than "it always worked for me."
>
> Even if Ghost never works with this USB-IDE cable rig, I'll get my $20
> out of it, and if Ghost never works for me at all, I've only lost $15,
> but I've put my two hours into getting it to work and now it's time to
> either get help or throw it away.
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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In article <qImdnYvux4u-KjjfRVn-ug@rcn.net> rnorman@starpower.net writes:
> Kind normal in that some devices (USB and firewire) may be noticed by the
> OS, but not by the application.
In this case, "the application" (Ghost) reboots into DOS, so it
forgets everything that Windows knows, like how to talk to the
external USB drive. The config.sys file that it runs when booting runs
through a whole series of possible USB mass storage devices (for which
it has DOS drivers) and sets up what it finds. During this process, it
finds the USB-IDE cable, and in fact even recognizes it pretty much by
name (so I guess that must be in memory somewhere in the adatper
gizmo).
So it starts out on the right track, and actually writes a little bit
on the drive (the file name for the Ghost backup) before it loses it
and tells me that it can't access the destination drive. I suspect
some sort of timing problem - the driver isn't waiting long enough for
something to happen before it decides that it's not going to happen.
> It's a minimal problem, but this is a workaround I've figured out and it
> works on USB devices the same way. So unplug the drive, start Ghost and
> then plug the drive in and see if that works.
Nope, that won't solve the problem. If it doesn't see the drive when
DOS is booting, it won't see it when it's plugged in later.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
In article <qImdnYvux4u-KjjfRVn-ug@rcn.net> rnorman@starpower.net writes:
> Kind normal in that some devices (USB and firewire) may be noticed by the
> OS, but not by the application.
In this case, "the application" (Ghost) reboots into DOS, so it
forgets everything that Windows knows, like how to talk to the
external USB drive. The config.sys file that it runs when booting runs
through a whole series of possible USB mass storage devices (for which
it has DOS drivers) and sets up what it finds. During this process, it
finds the USB-IDE cable, and in fact even recognizes it pretty much by
name (so I guess that must be in memory somewhere in the adatper
gizmo).
So it starts out on the right track, and actually writes a little bit
on the drive (the file name for the Ghost backup) before it loses it
and tells me that it can't access the destination drive. I suspect
some sort of timing problem - the driver isn't waiting long enough for
something to happen before it decides that it's not going to happen.
> It's a minimal problem, but this is a workaround I've figured out and it
> works on USB devices the same way. So unplug the drive, start Ghost and
> then plug the drive in and see if that works.
Nope, that won't solve the problem. If it doesn't see the drive when
DOS is booting, it won't see it when it's plugged in later.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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In article <0ffba1l9t3nk6o0kejngs82bh3vhelqtkn@4ax.com> deepthrob@gmail.com writes:
> When I clone laptop drives, I use a couple of those $3 laptop to IDE
> adapters. Really makes the job easier.
Then I guess you take the laptop drive out of the laptop and clone it
using a real computer? I suppose I could do that. I've never looked,
but do laptop drives (since laptops typically have only one IDE hard
drive) have a master/slave jumper? I suppose that they could both be
masters on the two IDE ports if I booted off a floppy. Yeah, I'll bet
that would work.
Know a place where I can get a couple of those $3 adapters for $3
without paying $7.95 for shipping and handling? Micro Center has them
for $10 and (like the the USB extension cable I mentioned last week)
it sure seems like it should cost less than half that.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
In article <0ffba1l9t3nk6o0kejngs82bh3vhelqtkn@4ax.com> deepthrob@gmail.com writes:
> When I clone laptop drives, I use a couple of those $3 laptop to IDE
> adapters. Really makes the job easier.
Then I guess you take the laptop drive out of the laptop and clone it
using a real computer? I suppose I could do that. I've never looked,
but do laptop drives (since laptops typically have only one IDE hard
drive) have a master/slave jumper? I suppose that they could both be
masters on the two IDE ports if I booted off a floppy. Yeah, I'll bet
that would work.
Know a place where I can get a couple of those $3 adapters for $3
without paying $7.95 for shipping and handling? Micro Center has them
for $10 and (like the the USB extension cable I mentioned last week)
it sure seems like it should cost less than half that.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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In article <1118160610.791310.199170@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> tymish@hotmail.com writes:
> Hi MIke, I've run into issues with Ghost before. Ghost 2000 has an web
> update type feature for the software.
It's Ghost 2003, and I did run the web update. It says I'm up to date.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
In article <1118160610.791310.199170@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> tymish@hotmail.com writes:
> Hi MIke, I've run into issues with Ghost before. Ghost 2000 has an web
> update type feature for the software.
It's Ghost 2003, and I did run the web update. It says I'm up to date.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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Mike, I think most new drives will work in "cable select" mode by
default, without jumpers. Assuming your IDE cable is built this way,
with integral master/slave connectors. But yeah, laptop drives may be
different.
But I still think Maxblast Windows or the WD program etc. should work
even with a USB drive, since you said the OS finds it.
Steve
Mike, I think most new drives will work in "cable select" mode by
default, without jumpers. Assuming your IDE cable is built this way,
with integral master/slave connectors. But yeah, laptop drives may be
different.
But I still think Maxblast Windows or the WD program etc. should work
even with a USB drive, since you said the OS finds it.
Steve
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On 7 Jun 2005 16:52:10 -0400, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) wrote:
>
>>
>Know a place where I can get a couple of those $3 adapters for $3
>without paying $7.95 for shipping and handling? Micro Center has them
>for $10 and (like the the USB extension cable I mentioned last week)
>it sure seems like it should cost less than half that.
You could just buy 1 and ghost the laptop to another hard drive (as an
image file) and then switch laptop drives and (un)ghost it on to the
new one.
Frank /~ http://newmex.com/f10
@/
On 7 Jun 2005 16:52:10 -0400, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) wrote:
>
>>
>Know a place where I can get a couple of those $3 adapters for $3
>without paying $7.95 for shipping and handling? Micro Center has them
>for $10 and (like the the USB extension cable I mentioned last week)
>it sure seems like it should cost less than half that.
You could just buy 1 and ghost the laptop to another hard drive (as an
image file) and then switch laptop drives and (un)ghost it on to the
new one.
Frank /~ http://newmex.com/f10
@/
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>On 6 Jun 2005 07:54:48 -0400, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) wrote:
As you've discovered what you are trying to do doesn't usually work
reliably without a lot of fuss and effort and study and expense. It
would also help if your life were more spiritually oriented, Mike.
(ok- there is a cd boot, ghost version specifically for firewire that
does work- the usb never worked on my laptop).
The QD Work-Around: Have the OS, including installed Apps on a small,
manageably sized partition; Data on the rest of the hard drive. Make
an empty directory call Backup on the data partition. Boot to the DOS
version of ghost (dr.dos- whatever). Clone the boot drive to the data
partition using the Backup directory as your target. (It's just
compiling the disk image to files- it's not really making protected
sector areas anywhere like a boot drive has). Reboot to windows and
COPY the .gho extension files to a safe drive over USB, LAN, 1394 etc.
using Windows Explorer or backup to DVD. Voila.
There is no real reason to actually clone a data drive is there? Just
use Windows Explorer to drag and drop the directories you want to save
to whatever medium is on sale. This is all predicated on the idea that
the first thing you did after you installed your music software was
remapped the "projects" or "saved work" directory to a partition
separate from the OS.
Also, if you clone with NG version x and then try and restore months
or years later with an updated version it won't work.
Hope this helps. Don't stay up too late, s.
>
>Based on the recommendations of several people here, I picked up a
>copy of Norton Ghost. Being the cheapskate that I am, I bought an OEM
>copy of Ghost 2003 from Newegg for $15 rather than the latest retail
>copy for $65 or so. I had two goals in mind. One was to clone the
>drive in my laptop computer since I suspect that the origianal one may
>be going bad. Second, was just to start being more diligent about
>general backups.
>
>Another weekend, another hamfest. I bought a USB-to-IDE cable gizmo
>for $20. No perceivalbe brand name (hence no web site to go to for the
>latest drivers if necessary), made in China. Came with a CD that
>may be in Chinese (the documentation files, one as a .doc the other as
>a .pdf, will open). Simple, kind of like the Weibetech Firewire lump
>that Hank praises. I thought I'd give USB a try for the price. Plugged
>a drive into it, plugged it into the USB port on my laptop, and voila!
>I could access the drive just like a real one. A little slow since the
>laptop has only a USB 1.1 port and this gadget is capable of
>supporting USB 2.0, but it seemed to work fine. Tried it on the Win2K
>computer (also USB 1.1 but I have a 2.0 card sitting here ready to
>install) and that worked fine too. No installation necessary.
>
>There's what seems to be a driver for Win98 on the CD. I instsalled
>that on the studio computer, it said the driver was installed, but it
>didn't work - the computer recognized that an unknown USB device was
>connected and asked for a driver. Oh, well, no big deal. One of these
>days that computer will be replaced anyway.
>
>So, feeling confident that I had a usable external drive to which to
>clone or back up to, I loaded Ghost up on the laptop (XP) and it
>doesn't work. It starts to work - it finds the USB drive and I can set
>it as a destination. It gets as far as writing the file name of the
>Ghost image to the drive, but then quits and says it can't find the
>destination drive. And, once Ghost has started, neither can I. If I
>ran Ghost from Windows, I could get the drive back by unplugging the
>USB cable and re-plugging it. If I ran Ghost from a Ghost-created DOS
>boot floppy, I have to re-start Windows and re-plug the USB cable in
>order to see the drive.
>
>I haven't found anything useful on the Symantic knowledge base. I'm
>waiting for an e-mail reply from Tech Support, but since there are
>some Ghost users here, if anyone has experience with using it with an
>external USB drive, tell me what makes it work if you have any more to
>say than "it always worked for me."
>
>Even if Ghost never works with this USB-IDE cable rig, I'll get my $20
>out of it, and if Ghost never works for me at all, I've only lost $15,
>but I've put my two hours into getting it to work and now it's time to
>either get help or throw it away.
>On 6 Jun 2005 07:54:48 -0400, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) wrote:
As you've discovered what you are trying to do doesn't usually work
reliably without a lot of fuss and effort and study and expense. It
would also help if your life were more spiritually oriented, Mike.
(ok- there is a cd boot, ghost version specifically for firewire that
does work- the usb never worked on my laptop).
The QD Work-Around: Have the OS, including installed Apps on a small,
manageably sized partition; Data on the rest of the hard drive. Make
an empty directory call Backup on the data partition. Boot to the DOS
version of ghost (dr.dos- whatever). Clone the boot drive to the data
partition using the Backup directory as your target. (It's just
compiling the disk image to files- it's not really making protected
sector areas anywhere like a boot drive has). Reboot to windows and
COPY the .gho extension files to a safe drive over USB, LAN, 1394 etc.
using Windows Explorer or backup to DVD. Voila.
There is no real reason to actually clone a data drive is there? Just
use Windows Explorer to drag and drop the directories you want to save
to whatever medium is on sale. This is all predicated on the idea that
the first thing you did after you installed your music software was
remapped the "projects" or "saved work" directory to a partition
separate from the OS.
Also, if you clone with NG version x and then try and restore months
or years later with an updated version it won't work.
Hope this helps. Don't stay up too late, s.
>
>Based on the recommendations of several people here, I picked up a
>copy of Norton Ghost. Being the cheapskate that I am, I bought an OEM
>copy of Ghost 2003 from Newegg for $15 rather than the latest retail
>copy for $65 or so. I had two goals in mind. One was to clone the
>drive in my laptop computer since I suspect that the origianal one may
>be going bad. Second, was just to start being more diligent about
>general backups.
>
>Another weekend, another hamfest. I bought a USB-to-IDE cable gizmo
>for $20. No perceivalbe brand name (hence no web site to go to for the
>latest drivers if necessary), made in China. Came with a CD that
>may be in Chinese (the documentation files, one as a .doc the other as
>a .pdf, will open). Simple, kind of like the Weibetech Firewire lump
>that Hank praises. I thought I'd give USB a try for the price. Plugged
>a drive into it, plugged it into the USB port on my laptop, and voila!
>I could access the drive just like a real one. A little slow since the
>laptop has only a USB 1.1 port and this gadget is capable of
>supporting USB 2.0, but it seemed to work fine. Tried it on the Win2K
>computer (also USB 1.1 but I have a 2.0 card sitting here ready to
>install) and that worked fine too. No installation necessary.
>
>There's what seems to be a driver for Win98 on the CD. I instsalled
>that on the studio computer, it said the driver was installed, but it
>didn't work - the computer recognized that an unknown USB device was
>connected and asked for a driver. Oh, well, no big deal. One of these
>days that computer will be replaced anyway.
>
>So, feeling confident that I had a usable external drive to which to
>clone or back up to, I loaded Ghost up on the laptop (XP) and it
>doesn't work. It starts to work - it finds the USB drive and I can set
>it as a destination. It gets as far as writing the file name of the
>Ghost image to the drive, but then quits and says it can't find the
>destination drive. And, once Ghost has started, neither can I. If I
>ran Ghost from Windows, I could get the drive back by unplugging the
>USB cable and re-plugging it. If I ran Ghost from a Ghost-created DOS
>boot floppy, I have to re-start Windows and re-plug the USB cable in
>order to see the drive.
>
>I haven't found anything useful on the Symantic knowledge base. I'm
>waiting for an e-mail reply from Tech Support, but since there are
>some Ghost users here, if anyone has experience with using it with an
>external USB drive, tell me what makes it work if you have any more to
>say than "it always worked for me."
>
>Even if Ghost never works with this USB-IDE cable rig, I'll get my $20
>out of it, and if Ghost never works for me at all, I've only lost $15,
>but I've put my two hours into getting it to work and now it's time to
>either get help or throw it away.
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Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
in article <znr1118164800k@trad> wrote:
> In article <0ffba1l9t3nk6o0kejngs82bh3vhelqtkn@4ax.com> deepthrob@gmail.com writes:
>
> > When I clone laptop drives, I use a couple of those $3 laptop to IDE
> > adapters. Really makes the job easier.
>
> Then I guess you take the laptop drive out of the laptop and clone it
> using a real computer? I suppose I could do that.
I do it over the LAN.
Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
in article <znr1118164800k@trad> wrote:
> In article <0ffba1l9t3nk6o0kejngs82bh3vhelqtkn@4ax.com> deepthrob@gmail.com writes:
>
> > When I clone laptop drives, I use a couple of those $3 laptop to IDE
> > adapters. Really makes the job easier.
>
> Then I guess you take the laptop drive out of the laptop and clone it
> using a real computer? I suppose I could do that.
I do it over the LAN.
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Mike Rivers wrote:
> In article <0ffba1l9t3nk6o0kejngs82bh3vhelqtkn@4ax.com>
> deepthrob@gmail.com writes:
>
>> When I clone laptop drives, I use a couple of those $3
laptop to IDE
>> adapters. Really makes the job easier.
>
> Then I guess you take the laptop drive out of the laptop
and clone it
> using a real computer? I suppose I could do that.
That's what I do.
> I've never looked,
> but do laptop drives (since laptops typically have only
one IDE hard
> drive) have a master/slave jumper?
Please see page 27 in the following 52 page PDF:
http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/manuals/ata/momentu...
Mike Rivers wrote:
> In article <0ffba1l9t3nk6o0kejngs82bh3vhelqtkn@4ax.com>
> deepthrob@gmail.com writes:
>
>> When I clone laptop drives, I use a couple of those $3
laptop to IDE
>> adapters. Really makes the job easier.
>
> Then I guess you take the laptop drive out of the laptop
and clone it
> using a real computer? I suppose I could do that.
That's what I do.
> I've never looked,
> but do laptop drives (since laptops typically have only
one IDE hard
> drive) have a master/slave jumper?
Please see page 27 in the following 52 page PDF:
http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/manuals/ata/momentu...
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Mike Rivers wrote:
> In article <qImdnYvux4u-KjjfRVn-ug@rcn.net>
rnorman@starpower.net
> writes:
>
>> Kind normal in that some devices (USB and firewire) may
be noticed
>> by the OS, but not by the application.
>
> In this case, "the application" (Ghost) reboots into DOS,
so it
> forgets everything that Windows knows, like how to talk to
the
> external USB drive. The config.sys file that it runs when
booting runs
> through a whole series of possible USB mass storage
devices (for which
> it has DOS drivers) and sets up what it finds. During this
process, it
> finds the USB-IDE cable, and in fact even recognizes it
pretty much by
> name (so I guess that must be in memory somewhere in the
adatper
> gizmo).
>
> So it starts out on the right track, and actually writes a
little bit
> on the drive (the file name for the Ghost backup) before
it loses it
> and tells me that it can't access the destination drive. I
suspect
> some sort of timing problem - the driver isn't waiting
long enough for
> something to happen before it decides that it's not going
to happen.
Been there, done that. I diagnosed it as the same failure of
the USB device that I saw with XP.
Mike Rivers wrote:
> In article <qImdnYvux4u-KjjfRVn-ug@rcn.net>
rnorman@starpower.net
> writes:
>
>> Kind normal in that some devices (USB and firewire) may
be noticed
>> by the OS, but not by the application.
>
> In this case, "the application" (Ghost) reboots into DOS,
so it
> forgets everything that Windows knows, like how to talk to
the
> external USB drive. The config.sys file that it runs when
booting runs
> through a whole series of possible USB mass storage
devices (for which
> it has DOS drivers) and sets up what it finds. During this
process, it
> finds the USB-IDE cable, and in fact even recognizes it
pretty much by
> name (so I guess that must be in memory somewhere in the
adatper
> gizmo).
>
> So it starts out on the right track, and actually writes a
little bit
> on the drive (the file name for the Ghost backup) before
it loses it
> and tells me that it can't access the destination drive. I
suspect
> some sort of timing problem - the driver isn't waiting
long enough for
> something to happen before it decides that it's not going
to happen.
Been there, done that. I diagnosed it as the same failure of
the USB device that I saw with XP.
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In article <1118192866.525818.137960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> squeegybug@netspace1.com writes:
> But I still think Maxblast Windows or the WD program etc. should work
> even with a USB drive, since you said the OS finds it.
But MaxBlast checks to see that at least one of the dirves is a
Maxtor, and I can't find a Maxtor laptop drive on their web site.
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In article <1118192866.525818.137960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> squeegybug@netspace1.com writes:
> But I still think Maxblast Windows or the WD program etc. should work
> even with a USB drive, since you said the OS finds it.
But MaxBlast checks to see that at least one of the dirves is a
Maxtor, and I can't find a Maxtor laptop drive on their web site.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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In the past I have used the older versions of Ghost, but gave up on the
newer ones after much trouble with W2K and XP based drives.
I've more recently switched to the Acronis "True Image" product, and it
has worked well for me. I've cloned bootable XP drives from my desktop
as well doing a bootable XP laptop drive using a USB attaced drive. It
also handles different drive/partition sizes somewhat more flexibly
(they can be different sizes).
You have to make sure you have the more recent releases to do USB based
transfers, though. They provide free upgrades within the latest release
version from their web site.
You can create a bootable CD, or use the installed product from within
Windows (I tend to like to boot up from CD so that no winwows code is
running)
And BTW, I have no affiliation with either company.
--Peter
Mike Rivers wrote:
> Based on the recommendations of several people here, I picked up a
> copy of Norton Ghost. Being the cheapskate that I am, I bought an OEM
> copy of Ghost 2003 from Newegg for $15 rather than the latest retail
> copy for $65 or so. I had two goals in mind. One was to clone the
> drive in my laptop computer since I suspect that the origianal one may
> be going bad. Second, was just to start being more diligent about
> general backups.
>
> Another weekend, another hamfest. I bought a USB-to-IDE cable gizmo
> for $20. No perceivalbe brand name (hence no web site to go to for the
> latest drivers if necessary), made in China. Came with a CD that
> may be in Chinese (the documentation files, one as a .doc the other as
> a .pdf, will open). Simple, kind of like the Weibetech Firewire lump
> that Hank praises. I thought I'd give USB a try for the price. Plugged
> a drive into it, plugged it into the USB port on my laptop, and voila!
> I could access the drive just like a real one. A little slow since the
> laptop has only a USB 1.1 port and this gadget is capable of
> supporting USB 2.0, but it seemed to work fine. Tried it on the Win2K
> computer (also USB 1.1 but I have a 2.0 card sitting here ready to
> install) and that worked fine too. No installation necessary.
>
> There's what seems to be a driver for Win98 on the CD. I instsalled
> that on the studio computer, it said the driver was installed, but it
> didn't work - the computer recognized that an unknown USB device was
> connected and asked for a driver. Oh, well, no big deal. One of these
> days that computer will be replaced anyway.
>
> So, feeling confident that I had a usable external drive to which to
> clone or back up to, I loaded Ghost up on the laptop (XP) and it
> doesn't work. It starts to work - it finds the USB drive and I can set
> it as a destination. It gets as far as writing the file name of the
> Ghost image to the drive, but then quits and says it can't find the
> destination drive. And, once Ghost has started, neither can I. If I
> ran Ghost from Windows, I could get the drive back by unplugging the
> USB cable and re-plugging it. If I ran Ghost from a Ghost-created DOS
> boot floppy, I have to re-start Windows and re-plug the USB cable in
> order to see the drive.
>
> I haven't found anything useful on the Symantic knowledge base. I'm
> waiting for an e-mail reply from Tech Support, but since there are
> some Ghost users here, if anyone has experience with using it with an
> external USB drive, tell me what makes it work if you have any more to
> say than "it always worked for me."
>
> Even if Ghost never works with this USB-IDE cable rig, I'll get my $20
> out of it, and if Ghost never works for me at all, I've only lost $15,
> but I've put my two hours into getting it to work and now it's time to
> either get help or throw it away.
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
In the past I have used the older versions of Ghost, but gave up on the
newer ones after much trouble with W2K and XP based drives.
I've more recently switched to the Acronis "True Image" product, and it
has worked well for me. I've cloned bootable XP drives from my desktop
as well doing a bootable XP laptop drive using a USB attaced drive. It
also handles different drive/partition sizes somewhat more flexibly
(they can be different sizes).
You have to make sure you have the more recent releases to do USB based
transfers, though. They provide free upgrades within the latest release
version from their web site.
You can create a bootable CD, or use the installed product from within
Windows (I tend to like to boot up from CD so that no winwows code is
running)
And BTW, I have no affiliation with either company.
--Peter
Mike Rivers wrote:
> Based on the recommendations of several people here, I picked up a
> copy of Norton Ghost. Being the cheapskate that I am, I bought an OEM
> copy of Ghost 2003 from Newegg for $15 rather than the latest retail
> copy for $65 or so. I had two goals in mind. One was to clone the
> drive in my laptop computer since I suspect that the origianal one may
> be going bad. Second, was just to start being more diligent about
> general backups.
>
> Another weekend, another hamfest. I bought a USB-to-IDE cable gizmo
> for $20. No perceivalbe brand name (hence no web site to go to for the
> latest drivers if necessary), made in China. Came with a CD that
> may be in Chinese (the documentation files, one as a .doc the other as
> a .pdf, will open). Simple, kind of like the Weibetech Firewire lump
> that Hank praises. I thought I'd give USB a try for the price. Plugged
> a drive into it, plugged it into the USB port on my laptop, and voila!
> I could access the drive just like a real one. A little slow since the
> laptop has only a USB 1.1 port and this gadget is capable of
> supporting USB 2.0, but it seemed to work fine. Tried it on the Win2K
> computer (also USB 1.1 but I have a 2.0 card sitting here ready to
> install) and that worked fine too. No installation necessary.
>
> There's what seems to be a driver for Win98 on the CD. I instsalled
> that on the studio computer, it said the driver was installed, but it
> didn't work - the computer recognized that an unknown USB device was
> connected and asked for a driver. Oh, well, no big deal. One of these
> days that computer will be replaced anyway.
>
> So, feeling confident that I had a usable external drive to which to
> clone or back up to, I loaded Ghost up on the laptop (XP) and it
> doesn't work. It starts to work - it finds the USB drive and I can set
> it as a destination. It gets as far as writing the file name of the
> Ghost image to the drive, but then quits and says it can't find the
> destination drive. And, once Ghost has started, neither can I. If I
> ran Ghost from Windows, I could get the drive back by unplugging the
> USB cable and re-plugging it. If I ran Ghost from a Ghost-created DOS
> boot floppy, I have to re-start Windows and re-plug the USB cable in
> order to see the drive.
>
> I haven't found anything useful on the Symantic knowledge base. I'm
> waiting for an e-mail reply from Tech Support, but since there are
> some Ghost users here, if anyone has experience with using it with an
> external USB drive, tell me what makes it work if you have any more to
> say than "it always worked for me."
>
> Even if Ghost never works with this USB-IDE cable rig, I'll get my $20
> out of it, and if Ghost never works for me at all, I've only lost $15,
> but I've put my two hours into getting it to work and now it's time to
> either get help or throw it away.
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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In article <ddkca1hesodoup6tvgd6iipn50u7fsj78l@4ax.com> deepthrob@gmail.com writes:
> On 7 Jun 2005 16:52:10 -0400, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) wrote:
> >Know a place where I can get a couple of those $3 adapters for $3
> >without paying $7.95 for shipping and handling? Micro Center has them
> >for $10 and (like the the USB extension cable I mentioned last week)
> >it sure seems like it should cost less than half that.
>
> You could just buy 1 and ghost the laptop to another hard drive (as an
> image file) and then switch laptop drives and (un)ghost it on to the
> new one.
Aren't you the one who told me about the $3 adapters? Where can I get
them for that price? If I could buy 1 for $3, I'd buy 2 for $6 and
save myself a step and one more thing that could go wrong.
Of course if I took this further and bought 25 of them for $75, the
$7.95 for shipping and handling would be more reasonable.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
In article <ddkca1hesodoup6tvgd6iipn50u7fsj78l@4ax.com> deepthrob@gmail.com writes:
> On 7 Jun 2005 16:52:10 -0400, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) wrote:
> >Know a place where I can get a couple of those $3 adapters for $3
> >without paying $7.95 for shipping and handling? Micro Center has them
> >for $10 and (like the the USB extension cable I mentioned last week)
> >it sure seems like it should cost less than half that.
>
> You could just buy 1 and ghost the laptop to another hard drive (as an
> image file) and then switch laptop drives and (un)ghost it on to the
> new one.
Aren't you the one who told me about the $3 adapters? Where can I get
them for that price? If I could buy 1 for $3, I'd buy 2 for $6 and
save myself a step and one more thing that could go wrong.
Of course if I took this further and bought 25 of them for $75, the
$7.95 for shipping and handling would be more reasonable.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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In article <MPG.1d102076a2f3ee2f9897eb@news.chi.sbcglobal.net> btakei@sbcglobal.net writes:
> I do it over the LAN.
That should be on a bumper sticker.
The problem (remember, there was a PROBLEM here) is that the new laptop
drive receiving the contents of the original laptop drive has to be
connected to SOMETHING. Since I can't connect two IDE laptop drives to
the laptop coputer (as you'd do when cloning a drive from a full sized
computer) it has to be connected externally, in my present case
(because it's what I have) by USB.
If I use the LAN to send the data from the laptop drive to a desktop
computer, I'd need one of the $10 ($3 according to Frank) adapters to
connect the laptop drive to the desktop computer.
The Ghost instructions for using a LAN as the transport between
drives talks about a direct peer-to-peer connection, resetting the
TCP/IP parameters on each computer. Does it work with what's a "normal
home" LAN setup, through a router with DHCP? Can I just designate the
additional (laptop) drive temporarily connected to the desktop
computer as a drive available for sharing over the LAN and make Ghost
work that way?
I think my next phase of experimenting is going to be with a Firewire
drive case.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
In article <MPG.1d102076a2f3ee2f9897eb@news.chi.sbcglobal.net> btakei@sbcglobal.net writes:
> I do it over the LAN.
That should be on a bumper sticker.
The problem (remember, there was a PROBLEM here) is that the new laptop
drive receiving the contents of the original laptop drive has to be
connected to SOMETHING. Since I can't connect two IDE laptop drives to
the laptop coputer (as you'd do when cloning a drive from a full sized
computer) it has to be connected externally, in my present case
(because it's what I have) by USB.
If I use the LAN to send the data from the laptop drive to a desktop
computer, I'd need one of the $10 ($3 according to Frank) adapters to
connect the laptop drive to the desktop computer.
The Ghost instructions for using a LAN as the transport between
drives talks about a direct peer-to-peer connection, resetting the
TCP/IP parameters on each computer. Does it work with what's a "normal
home" LAN setup, through a router with DHCP? Can I just designate the
additional (laptop) drive temporarily connected to the desktop
computer as a drive available for sharing over the LAN and make Ghost
work that way?
I think my next phase of experimenting is going to be with a Firewire
drive case.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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> Know a place where I can get a couple of those $3 adapters for $3
> without paying $7.95 for shipping and handling? Micro Center has them
> for $10 and (like the the USB extension cable I mentioned last week)
> it sure seems like it should cost less than half that.
I just bought five of them from www.pimfg.com. I'd recommend buying at least
two, that way you can clone a drive. These guys also have one that comes
with a bracket for mounting it in a 3½-inch bay.
I'm looking at a Fujutsu that came out of an older IBM laptop, and it looks
like it has M/S jumpers, but there's no legend on the drive.
I think Steve is right; use an 80-pin cable and put two on the same cable
and they should sort themselves out.
--We do Ghost CDs that make fully bootable drives (Win 98, 2k, & XP) all the
time. I'm not the guy that builds them so I can't help with details, but I
know it can be done.
-John O
> Know a place where I can get a couple of those $3 adapters for $3
> without paying $7.95 for shipping and handling? Micro Center has them
> for $10 and (like the the USB extension cable I mentioned last week)
> it sure seems like it should cost less than half that.
I just bought five of them from www.pimfg.com. I'd recommend buying at least
two, that way you can clone a drive. These guys also have one that comes
with a bracket for mounting it in a 3½-inch bay.
I'm looking at a Fujutsu that came out of an older IBM laptop, and it looks
like it has M/S jumpers, but there's no legend on the drive.
I think Steve is right; use an 80-pin cable and put two on the same cable
and they should sort themselves out.
--We do Ghost CDs that make fully bootable drives (Win 98, 2k, & XP) all the
time. I'm not the guy that builds them so I can't help with details, but I
know it can be done.
-John O
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> The QD Work-Around: Have the OS, including installed Apps on a small,
> manageably sized partition; Data on the rest of the hard drive.
Outstanding advice. The OS/system partition can be 10-15 GB, abd the data is
the rest. Be sure to move My Documents to this drive, otherwise it's lost in
the system somewhere.
-John O
> The QD Work-Around: Have the OS, including installed Apps on a small,
> manageably sized partition; Data on the rest of the hard drive.
Outstanding advice. The OS/system partition can be 10-15 GB, abd the data is
the rest. Be sure to move My Documents to this drive, otherwise it's lost in
the system somewhere.
-John O
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In article <d87140$4rl$1@newslocal.mitre.org> peters_no_spam_please@not_here.org writes:
> In the past I have used the older versions of Ghost, but gave up on the
> newer ones after much trouble with W2K and XP based drives.
>
> I've more recently switched to the Acronis "True Image" product, and it
> has worked well for me. I've cloned bootable XP drives from my desktop
> as well doing a bootable XP laptop drive using a USB attaced drive.
Well, I hate to keep buying stuff that doesn't work, so I think I'll
continue with Ghost for a while yet. I see that Acronis has a 15-day
free trial. I suppose that since this is something I'll probably only
use once, as long as that isn't limited (hate to get all set up and
have it say "This trial version only clones 100 megabytes. Click here
to order the full version." Stuff like that pisses me off if they
don't tell you that beforehand.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
In article <d87140$4rl$1@newslocal.mitre.org> peters_no_spam_please@not_here.org writes:
> In the past I have used the older versions of Ghost, but gave up on the
> newer ones after much trouble with W2K and XP based drives.
>
> I've more recently switched to the Acronis "True Image" product, and it
> has worked well for me. I've cloned bootable XP drives from my desktop
> as well doing a bootable XP laptop drive using a USB attaced drive.
Well, I hate to keep buying stuff that doesn't work, so I think I'll
continue with Ghost for a while yet. I see that Acronis has a 15-day
free trial. I suppose that since this is something I'll probably only
use once, as long as that isn't limited (hate to get all set up and
have it say "This trial version only clones 100 megabytes. Click here
to order the full version." Stuff like that pisses me off if they
don't tell you that beforehand.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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In article <MbCpe.3418$_A5.3346@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> johno@!noSPAM!heathkit.com writes:
> > Know a place where I can get a couple of those $3 adapters for $3
> I just bought five of them from www.pimfg.com. I'd recommend buying at least
> two, that way you can clone a drive. These guys also have one that comes
> with a bracket for mounting it in a 3½-inch bay.
After some searching, I found them in the PI catalog for $4.95, but
the handling charge is $3.95 for orders under $50, plus shipping,
probably another $5. Like I said, little stuff like this always seems
to cost the same to the unconnected no matter how you buy it. Heck, if
I was properly connected, I'd be able to borrow one or two. <g>
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
In article <MbCpe.3418$_A5.3346@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> johno@!noSPAM!heathkit.com writes:
> > Know a place where I can get a couple of those $3 adapters for $3
> I just bought five of them from www.pimfg.com. I'd recommend buying at least
> two, that way you can clone a drive. These guys also have one that comes
> with a bracket for mounting it in a 3½-inch bay.
After some searching, I found them in the PI catalog for $4.95, but
the handling charge is $3.95 for orders under $50, plus shipping,
probably another $5. Like I said, little stuff like this always seems
to cost the same to the unconnected no matter how you buy it. Heck, if
I was properly connected, I'd be able to borrow one or two. <g>
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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I don't believe the trial version is any different from the full version
other than the temporary license string, unless the've changed things
recently...
--Peter
Mike Rivers wrote:
> In article <d87140$4rl$1@newslocal.mitre.org> peters_no_spam_please@not_here.org writes:
>
>
>>In the past I have used the older versions of Ghost, but gave up on the
>>newer ones after much trouble with W2K and XP based drives.
>>
>>I've more recently switched to the Acronis "True Image" product, and it
>>has worked well for me. I've cloned bootable XP drives from my desktop
>>as well doing a bootable XP laptop drive using a USB attaced drive.
>
>
> Well, I hate to keep buying stuff that doesn't work, so I think I'll
> continue with Ghost for a while yet. I see that Acronis has a 15-day
> free trial. I suppose that since this is something I'll probably only
> use once, as long as that isn't limited (hate to get all set up and
> have it say "This trial version only clones 100 megabytes. Click here
> to order the full version." Stuff like that pisses me off if they
> don't tell you that beforehand.
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
I don't believe the trial version is any different from the full version
other than the temporary license string, unless the've changed things
recently...
--Peter
Mike Rivers wrote:
> In article <d87140$4rl$1@newslocal.mitre.org> peters_no_spam_please@not_here.org writes:
>
>
>>In the past I have used the older versions of Ghost, but gave up on the
>>newer ones after much trouble with W2K and XP based drives.
>>
>>I've more recently switched to the Acronis "True Image" product, and it
>>has worked well for me. I've cloned bootable XP drives from my desktop
>>as well doing a bootable XP laptop drive using a USB attaced drive.
>
>
> Well, I hate to keep buying stuff that doesn't work, so I think I'll
> continue with Ghost for a while yet. I see that Acronis has a 15-day
> free trial. I suppose that since this is something I'll probably only
> use once, as long as that isn't limited (hate to get all set up and
> have it say "This trial version only clones 100 megabytes. Click here
> to order the full version." Stuff like that pisses me off if they
> don't tell you that beforehand.
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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In article <d87p1m$j8u$1@newslocal.mitre.org> peters_no_spam_please@not_here.org writes:
> I don't believe the trial version is any different from the full version
> other than the temporary license string, unless the've changed things
> recently...
Well, at this point, it seems that I still have hardware compatability
problems with one of two USB external disk drive interfaces and one of
one Firewire interfaces that I've tried. It could be that the Firewire
arrangement is difficult because I'm going thorugh a Firewire PCMCIA
adapter, or maybe the enclosure just uses the wrong chipset.
I'm tired of this nonsense.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
In article <d87p1m$j8u$1@newslocal.mitre.org> peters_no_spam_please@not_here.org writes:
> I don't believe the trial version is any different from the full version
> other than the temporary license string, unless the've changed things
> recently...
Well, at this point, it seems that I still have hardware compatability
problems with one of two USB external disk drive interfaces and one of
one Firewire interfaces that I've tried. It could be that the Firewire
arrangement is difficult because I'm going thorugh a Firewire PCMCIA
adapter, or maybe the enclosure just uses the wrong chipset.
I'm tired of this nonsense.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
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"William Sommerwerck" <williams@nwlink.com> wrote in message
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> Cloning? With Ghost? It is to laugh!
I do it at a drop of a hat with a floppy or bootable CD
loaded with Ghost 8. I have near 100% success. I do it
mostly with my back turned.
> If anyone out there knows how to use Ghost 9 to produce a
true "cloned"
> bootable backup, I'd like to know about it.
There's a copy of the bootable Ghost 8 in every Ghost 9
box... ;-)
"William Sommerwerck" <williams@nwlink.com> wrote in message
news:11admdfrc5n9149@corp.supernews.com...
> Cloning? With Ghost? It is to laugh!
I do it at a drop of a hat with a floppy or bootable CD
loaded with Ghost 8. I have near 100% success. I do it
mostly with my back turned.
> If anyone out there knows how to use Ghost 9 to produce a
true "cloned"
> bootable backup, I'd like to know about it.
There's a copy of the bootable Ghost 8 in every Ghost 9
box... ;-)
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"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
news:znr1118193979k@trad...
>
> In article
<1118192866.525818.137960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
squeegybug@netspace1.com writes:
>
> > But I still think Maxblast Windows or the WD program
etc. should work
> > even with a USB drive, since you said the OS finds it.
>
> But MaxBlast checks to see that at least one of the dirves
is a
> Maxtor, and I can't find a Maxtor laptop drive on their
web site.
I tried MaxBlast on a Maxtor drive at my son's house in SD
after Christmas. I then ran down to Fry's and picked up a
copy of Ghost 9, berating myself for not sneaking a copy of
Ghost 8 on floppy and bootable CD into my luggage. Things
were crazy when we left Detroit.
"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
news:znr1118193979k@trad...
>
> In article
<1118192866.525818.137960@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
squeegybug@netspace1.com writes:
>
> > But I still think Maxblast Windows or the WD program
etc. should work
> > even with a USB drive, since you said the OS finds it.
>
> But MaxBlast checks to see that at least one of the dirves
is a
> Maxtor, and I can't find a Maxtor laptop drive on their
web site.
I tried MaxBlast on a Maxtor drive at my son's house in SD
after Christmas. I then ran down to Fry's and picked up a
copy of Ghost 9, berating myself for not sneaking a copy of
Ghost 8 on floppy and bootable CD into my luggage. Things
were crazy when we left Detroit.
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> After some searching, I found them in the PI catalog for $4.95,
Damn, you're right. The catalog I'm looking at has them at 3.50. Well, this
catalog has every connector or cable you'd ever want or need.
-John O
> After some searching, I found them in the PI catalog for $4.95,
Damn, you're right. The catalog I'm looking at has them at 3.50. Well, this
catalog has every connector or cable you'd ever want or need.
-John O
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Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
in article <znr1118055610k@trad> wrote:
> I had two goals in mind. One was to clone the
> drive in my laptop computer since I suspect that the origianal one may
> be going bad. Second, was just to start being more diligent about
> general backups.
Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
in article <znr1118234974k@trad> wrote:
> The Ghost instructions for using a LAN as the transport between
> drives talks about a direct peer-to-peer connection, resetting the
> TCP/IP parameters on each computer. Does it work with what's a "normal
> home" LAN setup, through a router with DHCP? Can I just designate the
> additional (laptop) drive temporarily connected to the desktop
> computer as a drive available for sharing over the LAN and make Ghost
> work that way?
Yes, that should work, if the "temporarily connected" drive isn't flakey, which
might be a big IF
(the only experience I've had with USB2/Firewire drives is one
I have that works 'ok', except it was flakey transferring sizeable files [50 MB
or more]. It choked too often for it to be useful to me for Ghosting, but I
didn't really need it for that anyway).
Instead of the 'Utilities > Boot Wizard > PEER-to-Peer Boot Disk',
I use the '... > Drive MAPPING Boot Disk' option, which creates a boot diskette
that maps a drive letter to a specific \\computer\share. I have a copy of the
ghost.exe on the share (it doesn't fit on the diskette). If you go this route,
and you have a "normal home" LAN, you can put an arbitrary value in for the
'Domain'.
If I needed to clone/replace my laptop drive, I would use the boot diskette to:
1. Ghost the drive* over the LAN to the network share.
2. Repace the laptop drive with the new/empty one.
3. Restore the Ghost image from the network share.
Done.
* Make sure that you select the whole disk for the Source (e.g. 'Disk 1'),
not just the partition(s).
This achieves both of your stated goals (assuming you diligently repeat step 1
going forward). And you don't need to muck around with any additional
hardware/interfaces/etc.
-Brian
Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
in article <znr1118055610k@trad> wrote:
> I had two goals in mind. One was to clone the
> drive in my laptop computer since I suspect that the origianal one may
> be going bad. Second, was just to start being more diligent about
> general backups.
Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
in article <znr1118234974k@trad> wrote:
> The Ghost instructions for using a LAN as the transport between
> drives talks about a direct peer-to-peer connection, resetting the
> TCP/IP parameters on each computer. Does it work with what's a "normal
> home" LAN setup, through a router with DHCP? Can I just designate the
> additional (laptop) drive temporarily connected to the desktop
> computer as a drive available for sharing over the LAN and make Ghost
> work that way?
Yes, that should work, if the "temporarily connected" drive isn't flakey, which
might be a big IF
(the only experience I've had with USB2/Firewire drives is one
I have that works 'ok', except it was flakey transferring sizeable files [50 MB
or more]. It choked too often for it to be useful to me for Ghosting, but I
didn't really need it for that anyway).
Instead of the 'Utilities > Boot Wizard > PEER-to-Peer Boot Disk',
I use the '... > Drive MAPPING Boot Disk' option, which creates a boot diskette
that maps a drive letter to a specific \\computer\share. I have a copy of the
ghost.exe on the share (it doesn't fit on the diskette). If you go this route,
and you have a "normal home" LAN, you can put an arbitrary value in for the
'Domain'.
If I needed to clone/replace my laptop drive, I would use the boot diskette to:
1. Ghost the drive* over the LAN to the network share.
2. Repace the laptop drive with the new/empty one.
3. Restore the Ghost image from the network share.
Done.
* Make sure that you select the whole disk for the Source (e.g. 'Disk 1'),
not just the partition(s).
This achieves both of your stated goals (assuming you diligently repeat step 1
going forward). And you don't need to muck around with any additional
hardware/interfaces/etc.
-Brian
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Mike Rivers wrote:
> Based on the recommendations of several people here, I picked up a
> copy of Norton Ghost.
Sorry Mike, not - in my assessment - the optimum product, do as Symantec
did, buy Drive Image instead. It is now called Symantec LiveState™
Recovery Desktop, see
http://sea.symantec.com/content/product.cfm?productid=2..., the engine is
Drive Image 7 v2i protection technlogy, a chromium exhaust has been
added and a woodyl dash and woodyl panels on the inside of the front
doors and of course the usual 3386094 blue LED's behind the radiator
grille. It even has remote control, quite possibly a very very neat
feature.
It is hidden in the enterprise section of the symantec site, which may
indicate that the price can be - ahem - professional rather than what it
was: very competitive. Drive Image 7 makes a nightly image of the OS and
software partion of my daw to a network location and I have confirmed by
trying that the image is installable and works.
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
Kind regards
Peter Larsen
--
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* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
*******************************************
Mike Rivers wrote:
> Based on the recommendations of several people here, I picked up a
> copy of Norton Ghost.
Sorry Mike, not - in my assessment - the optimum product, do as Symantec
did, buy Drive Image instead. It is now called Symantec LiveState™
Recovery Desktop, see
http://sea.symantec.com/content/product.cfm?productid=2..., the engine is
Drive Image 7 v2i protection technlogy, a chromium exhaust has been
added and a woodyl dash and woodyl panels on the inside of the front
doors and of course the usual 3386094 blue LED's behind the radiator
grille. It even has remote control, quite possibly a very very neat
feature.
It is hidden in the enterprise section of the symantec site, which may
indicate that the price can be - ahem - professional rather than what it
was: very competitive. Drive Image 7 makes a nightly image of the OS and
software partion of my daw to a network location and I have confirmed by
trying that the image is installable and works.
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
Kind regards
Peter Larsen
--
*******************************************
* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
*******************************************
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