Problem with c3000b

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I haven't used this mic in awhile and i went to record a solo nylon
string gutiar track tonight and the mic wasn't working. Last time I
used it it performed correctly. I checked my cable and preamp and both
were fine. Running the c3000b into a mackie onyx board. The problem
is that mic has no gain. I had to turn the preamp trim up almost all
the way to get any signal and then of course there's noise all over the
place. Has this happened to anyone here before? What do you suppose
is theproblem and what's the best way to handle it? I've never really
liked the mic, but it's always been a usable mic- I guess if it's kaput
i'll replace it with something better. Anyway, any opinions/ideas?

Nate
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  1. Archived from groups: rec.audio.pro (More info?)

    Nate:

    I have exactly the same mic. I haven't used mine in a long while
    either.

    I will plug it in tomorrow and test it, and I will let you know if mine
    does the same thing.

    What other large-diaphragm condenser mics do you have? Believe it or
    not, I get EXCELLENT results with my (semi-)cheap Shure KSM27 on all
    kinds of acoustic guitars for mono recording.

    SIDE NOTE (or should I say "mid-side" note?): If you are recording a
    solo nylon-string guitar and you plan to make a stereo recording of it,
    I HIGHLY recommend you try the "mid-side" miking technique. Once I
    worked out how to do it (with some help from the kind folks on this
    here newsgroup), I have been able to get truly amazing stereo imaging
    on solo acoustic instruments. For my money, it's the way to go if you
    are recording solo guitar.
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    I have a 414 also but I didn't want to use it on the guitar because I
    like to use it on drums. I was experimenting last night to see if the
    3000 woul be a good fit on the guitar so i could use the 414 elsewhere.
    unfortunately since it doesn't work it's not a good fit! I was going
    to use it in th bridge position as an extra mic to pick up more mid
    frequencies. The main mic I use on the guitar is the oktava 012 which
    i love. I just ordered an omni capsule for it from th sound room so i
    think I'll get better results when that comes in, but I'e been very
    happy with this thing in cardioid too. I do need to pick up one or 2
    more LDC's, haven't really decided on something yet. I haven't looked
    at the shure ksm series yet, maybe I ought to. What I hate is that it
    seems like all mics have a presence peak around 5-6k which drives me
    insane. If i wanted that peak I'd eq it in myself. I would really
    like to find a few relatively flat LDC's. If you use those peaked mics
    on everything, the recording comes out harsh! I'd love to get a u87
    but I don't want to spend that kind of bread just for a personal
    studio. I'll probably get a tlm 193 or 103 plus something else and i
    bet I'll be happy. Mic magazine just gave a rave review of that new
    mxl "fake" tube mic. I know it's a cheap chinese mic, but it seems some
    people have had good luck with mxl and the resposne curve on this mic
    is almost dead flat, so that interests me. Maybe if I got that and a
    neumann I'd have all my bases covered!

    Anyway, could you explain how to do the M-S on solo guitar? I don't
    know really any stereo micing techniques and should probably pick some
    up. I play jazz so i make my records like the old days. I use a
    single mic on the drums, a mic on the bass, and so forth.... I pan the
    drums and bass opposite and then take my other instruments and put them
    in the stereo field where I like them. gives a very cool sound with
    definitely good separation and feel!

    Nate
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    haha I guess you have to ask that question. Yes it was. When i
    realized it wasn't working I checked the cable, the channel strip and i
    spoke into both sides of the mic! Same result as before.

    Nate
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    On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:05:33 -0400, Nate Najar wrote
    (in article <1119240333.202038.210990@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):

    > I haven't used this mic in awhile and i went to record a solo nylon
    > string gutiar track tonight and the mic wasn't working. Last time I
    > used it it performed correctly. I checked my cable and preamp and both
    > were fine. Running the c3000b into a mackie onyx board. The problem
    > is that mic has no gain. I had to turn the preamp trim up almost all
    > the way to get any signal and then of course there's noise all over the
    > place. Has this happened to anyone here before? What do you suppose
    > is theproblem and what's the best way to handle it? I've never really
    > liked the mic, but it's always been a usable mic- I guess if it's kaput
    > i'll replace it with something better. Anyway, any opinions/ideas?
    >
    > Nate
    >

    It was facing in the proper direction, right?

    Ty Ford


    -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
    stuff are at www.tyford.com
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    --
    "Cute little babies that fall out of swings,
    These are a few of my favorite things."
    Oscar Hammerstein - working lyric from The Sound Of Music
    "Nate Najar" <nate@natenajar.com> wrote in message
    news:1119272153.066271.11990@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
    > haha I guess you have to ask that question. Yes it was. When i
    > realized it wasn't working I checked the cable, the channel strip and i
    > spoke into both sides of the mic! Same result as before.
    >
    > Nate
    >
    you do have the phantom power switched on, right?
    sorry if this is too obvious . . . .
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    "Ty Ford" <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote in message
    news:EYOdnfr6sNcsKyvfRVn-2g@comcast.com...
    >
    > It was facing in the proper direction, right?

    The Baltimore Mandolin Orchestra plays occasionally at a retirement home
    near Oxford, PA. This place has two AKG C3000's, both of which they place
    with the *end* facing the sound source! I didn't have the heart to tell
    them.

    Hal Laurent
    Baltimore
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    On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:28:29 -0400, "Hal Laurent" <laurent@charm.net>
    wrote:

    >
    >"Ty Ford" <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote in message
    >news:EYOdnfr6sNcsKyvfRVn-2g@comcast.com...
    >>
    >> It was facing in the proper direction, right?
    >
    >The Baltimore Mandolin Orchestra plays occasionally at a retirement home
    >near Oxford, PA. This place has two AKG C3000's, both of which they place
    >with the *end* facing the sound source! I didn't have the heart to tell
    >them.

    They may think you are a genius when they hear how much better it
    sounds!
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    "Nate Najar" <nate@natenajar.com> wrote in message news:1119240333.202038.210990@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
    > I haven't used this mic in awhile and i went to record a solo nylon
    > string gutiar track tonight and the mic wasn't working. Last time I
    > used it it performed correctly. I checked my cable and preamp and both
    > were fine. Running the c3000b into a mackie onyx board. The problem
    > is that mic has no gain. I had to turn the preamp trim up almost all
    > the way to get any signal and then of course there's noise all over the
    > place. Has this happened to anyone here before? What do you suppose
    > is theproblem and what's the best way to handle it? I've never really
    > liked the mic, but it's always been a usable mic- I guess if it's kaput
    > i'll replace it with something better. Anyway, any opinions/ideas?
    >
    > Nate
    >

    I have a couple of these. I believe that AKG will service it for a flat fee.
    Given the cost of the mic (depending on where you purchased it), that
    may be a prohibitive fee... but the mics are "ok" for a lot of things and
    I'm not one to toss an AKG. It should be worth the fixin'...

    DM
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    Hal Laurent wrote:
    >
    > The Baltimore Mandolin Orchestra plays occasionally at a retirement home
    > near Oxford, PA. This place has two AKG C3000's, both of which they place
    > with the *end* facing the sound source! I didn't have the heart to tell
    > them.

    Maybe it sounds better that way! Having it that far off-axis might roll
    off a good bit of the high-end.
  10. Archived from groups: rec.audio.pro (More info?)

    Ty Ford wrote:
    > On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:05:33 -0400, Nate Najar wrote
    > (in article <1119240333.202038.210990@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
    >
    > > I haven't used this mic in awhile and i went to record a solo nylon
    > > string gutiar track tonight and the mic wasn't working. Last time I
    > > used it it performed correctly. I checked my cable and preamp and both
    > > were fine. Running the c3000b into a mackie onyx board. The problem
    > > is that mic has no gain. I had to turn the preamp trim up almost all
    > > the way to get any signal and then of course there's noise all over the
    > > place. Has this happened to anyone here before? What do you suppose
    > > is theproblem and what's the best way to handle it? I've never really
    > > liked the mic, but it's always been a usable mic- I guess if it's kaput
    > > i'll replace it with something better. Anyway, any opinions/ideas?
    > >
    > > Nate
    > >
    >
    > It was facing in the proper direction, right?
    >
    > Ty Ford
    >
    >
    > -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
    > stuff are at www.tyford.com

    I had to put a mark on the front of mine to remind me of the right
    side. They look identical from both sides.

    They do have a set of dip switches and one is a -3db cut. If the gain
    is low that could have been changed.

    Mine had a terrible radio freq. pickup problem. Had to wrap it in
    tin-foil and then put black tape around it to hide the foil. That
    solved the problem but it looked like hell. Looked better on Toms on
    rock sessions, but I was never impressed with the sound.

    J West
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    "J_West" <johnston_west@hotmail.com> wrote in message ...

    Are we still talking about 3000s ?

    > I had to put a mark on the front of mine to remind me of the right
    > side. They look identical from both sides.

    The Logo, the model number, and the pattern symbol are on the front.

    > They do have a set of dip switches and one is a -3db cut. If the gain
    > is low that could have been changed.

    It's pad is a 10dB attenuator... and that's a lot.

    > Mine had a terrible radio freq. pickup problem. Had to wrap it in
    > tin-foil and then put black tape around it to hide the foil. That
    > solved the problem but it looked like hell.

    You had a rather obvious cable problem, IMHO.

    > Looked better on Toms on
    > rock sessions, but I was never impressed with the sound.

    Whaddaya' want for a $200 AKG large diaphragm? ;-)

    DM


    PS... were you joking?
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    On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 02:19:50 -0400, David Morgan \(MAMS\) wrote
    (in article <akOte.519$HU.160@trnddc03>):
    > Whaddaya' want for a $200 AKG large diaphragm? ;-)


    Not AKG's finest moment, but when the market says we will buy thousands of
    cheap mics, but not so many good ones, you stop cutting steak and start
    making hot dogs.

    Regards,

    Ty Ford


    -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
    stuff are at www.tyford.com
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    Ty,

    what's the url for your site? thanks for the comments everyone- I
    think I'll abandon the c3000 and lookinto something more useful.0

    Nate
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    Ty,

    I looked at the schoeps mic you mention on their website.... you think
    a supercardioid capsule is the best for my situation? I do agree to
    off axis attenuation would be helpful, but of course I would think you
    wouldn't get enoug guitar sound this way.... let me ask, what kind of
    positioning would you use on the schoeps for the guitar?

    Nate

    Ty Ford wrote:
    > On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:35:38 -0400, Nate Najar wrote
    > (in article <1119270938.242643.19220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
    >
    > > I have a 414 also but I didn't want to use it on the guitar because I
    > > like to use it on drums. I was experimenting last night to see if the
    > > 3000 woul be a good fit on the guitar so i could use the 414 elsewhere.
    > > unfortunately since it doesn't work it's not a good fit! I was going
    > > to use it in th bridge position as an extra mic to pick up more mid
    > > frequencies. The main mic I use on the guitar is the oktava 012 which
    > > i love. I just ordered an omni capsule for it from th sound room so i
    > > think I'll get better results when that comes in, but I'e been very
    > > happy with this thing in cardioid too. I do need to pick up one or 2
    > > more LDC's, haven't really decided on something yet. I haven't looked
    > > at the shure ksm series yet, maybe I ought to. What I hate is that it
    > > seems like all mics have a presence peak around 5-6k which drives me
    > > insane. If i wanted that peak I'd eq it in myself. I would really
    > > like to find a few relatively flat LDC's. If you use those peaked mics
    > > on everything, the recording comes out harsh! I'd love to get a u87
    > > but I don't want to spend that kind of bread just for a personal
    > > studio. I'll probably get a tlm 193 or 103 plus something else and i
    > > bet I'll be happy. Mic magazine just gave a rave review of that new
    > > mxl "fake" tube mic. I know it's a cheap chinese mic, but it seems some
    > > people have had good luck with mxl and the resposne curve on this mic
    > > is almost dead flat, so that interests me. Maybe if I got that and a
    > > neumann I'd have all my bases covered!
    > >
    > > Anyway, could you explain how to do the M-S on solo guitar? I don't
    > > know really any stereo micing techniques and should probably pick some
    > > up. I play jazz so i make my records like the old days. I use a
    > > single mic on the drums, a mic on the bass, and so forth.... I pan the
    > > drums and bass opposite and then take my other instruments and put them
    > > in the stereo field where I like them. gives a very cool sound with
    > > definitely good separation and feel!
    > >
    > > Nate
    > >
    >
    > Nate,
    >
    > The Rode NT2000 and NT2-a do better at not having that 5-6k peak. The u 87
    > has more of a plateau there. Try a U 89 or TLM 193 or TLM 170. Slightly
    > smaller diaphragm, slightly better off-axis response, slightly less peaky.
    >
    > The AT 4050 is also not peaky.
    >
    > If you really want to hear something nice. Try a Schoeps cmc641 SDC. It'll
    > make you reconsider your Oktava.
    >
    > As usual, I have reviews of most of them on my site.
    >
    > I'm not a fan of stereo (or multi) acoustic guitar micing, especially in
    > arrangements of the type you mention. The sounds gets sloppy unless you have
    > a really, really, really nice environment and even then you end up
    > compromising the spread to fit the mix. One good Schoeps with a good sounding
    > stereo reverb is much more workable.
    >
    > Some will disagree. They may, that's cool. Click on the lower left link on my
    > site to bring up the directory or music recorded here. I have an MP3 of a cut
    > we did here called Wind. The six and 12 strings were each recorded with one
    > Schoeps cmc641.
    >
    > On Existential Boogie I have two rhythm tracks of Martin D28 S on the left
    > and One Pre CBS vibrolux/semi acoustic telecaster on the right, all tracked
    > with the Schoeps and a Millennia Media STT-1. Enjoy.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Ty Ford
    >
    >
    > Ty Ford
    >
    >
    >
    > -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
    > stuff are at www.tyford.com
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    On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:35:38 -0400, Nate Najar wrote
    (in article <1119270938.242643.19220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):

    > I have a 414 also but I didn't want to use it on the guitar because I
    > like to use it on drums. I was experimenting last night to see if the
    > 3000 woul be a good fit on the guitar so i could use the 414 elsewhere.
    > unfortunately since it doesn't work it's not a good fit! I was going
    > to use it in th bridge position as an extra mic to pick up more mid
    > frequencies. The main mic I use on the guitar is the oktava 012 which
    > i love. I just ordered an omni capsule for it from th sound room so i
    > think I'll get better results when that comes in, but I'e been very
    > happy with this thing in cardioid too. I do need to pick up one or 2
    > more LDC's, haven't really decided on something yet. I haven't looked
    > at the shure ksm series yet, maybe I ought to. What I hate is that it
    > seems like all mics have a presence peak around 5-6k which drives me
    > insane. If i wanted that peak I'd eq it in myself. I would really
    > like to find a few relatively flat LDC's. If you use those peaked mics
    > on everything, the recording comes out harsh! I'd love to get a u87
    > but I don't want to spend that kind of bread just for a personal
    > studio. I'll probably get a tlm 193 or 103 plus something else and i
    > bet I'll be happy. Mic magazine just gave a rave review of that new
    > mxl "fake" tube mic. I know it's a cheap chinese mic, but it seems some
    > people have had good luck with mxl and the resposne curve on this mic
    > is almost dead flat, so that interests me. Maybe if I got that and a
    > neumann I'd have all my bases covered!
    >
    > Anyway, could you explain how to do the M-S on solo guitar? I don't
    > know really any stereo micing techniques and should probably pick some
    > up. I play jazz so i make my records like the old days. I use a
    > single mic on the drums, a mic on the bass, and so forth.... I pan the
    > drums and bass opposite and then take my other instruments and put them
    > in the stereo field where I like them. gives a very cool sound with
    > definitely good separation and feel!
    >
    > Nate
    >

    Nate,

    The Rode NT2000 and NT2-a do better at not having that 5-6k peak. The u 87
    has more of a plateau there. Try a U 89 or TLM 193 or TLM 170. Slightly
    smaller diaphragm, slightly better off-axis response, slightly less peaky.

    The AT 4050 is also not peaky.

    If you really want to hear something nice. Try a Schoeps cmc641 SDC. It'll
    make you reconsider your Oktava.

    As usual, I have reviews of most of them on my site.

    I'm not a fan of stereo (or multi) acoustic guitar micing, especially in
    arrangements of the type you mention. The sounds gets sloppy unless you have
    a really, really, really nice environment and even then you end up
    compromising the spread to fit the mix. One good Schoeps with a good sounding
    stereo reverb is much more workable.

    Some will disagree. They may, that's cool. Click on the lower left link on my
    site to bring up the directory or music recorded here. I have an MP3 of a cut
    we did here called Wind. The six and 12 strings were each recorded with one
    Schoeps cmc641.

    On Existential Boogie I have two rhythm tracks of Martin D28 S on the left
    and One Pre CBS vibrolux/semi acoustic telecaster on the right, all tracked
    with the Schoeps and a Millennia Media STT-1. Enjoy.

    Regards,

    Ty Ford


    Ty Ford


    -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
    stuff are at www.tyford.com
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    "Hal Laurent" <laurent@charm.net> wrote in message
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    >
    > "Ty Ford" <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote in message
    > news:EYOdnfr6sNcsKyvfRVn-2g@comcast.com...
    >>
    >> It was facing in the proper direction, right?
    >
    > The Baltimore Mandolin Orchestra plays occasionally at a retirement home
    > near Oxford, PA. This place has two AKG C3000's, both of which they place
    > with the *end* facing the sound source! I didn't have the heart to tell
    > them.

    Maybe they found the sound better that way ?!!

    geoff
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    On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:18:20 -0400, Nate Najar wrote
    (in article <1119367100.250900.175150@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):

    > Ty,
    >
    > I looked at the schoeps mic you mention on their website.... you think
    > a supercardioid capsule is the best for my situation? I do agree to
    > off axis attenuation would be helpful, but of course I would think you
    > wouldn't get enoug guitar sound this way.... let me ask, what kind of
    > positioning would you use on the schoeps for the guitar?
    >
    > Nate

    well if I'm just tracking acoustic guitar, I stick a finger in one ear and
    have the guy/gal play. Then I put the mic in the sound lobe projected by the
    guitar and finagle to taste.

    Usually about 16 inches out with the cmc641.

    If I'm tracking acoustic guitar and vocals (singer/songwriter style)
    I'l.....WAIT A MINUTE THAT'S A TRADE SECRET.

    Ty Ford


    -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
    stuff are at www.tyford.com
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