Favorite mini condenser for acoustic guit?

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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:01:42 -0700, vdubreeze wrote:

> I ended up spending about $200 less than I thought I'd have to for my
> Craig's List June G.A.S. attack Larrivee, so I want to make up the
> difference with a mini condenser gooseneck for it. Haven't decided yet
> omni or cardiod, single or stereo, though I'm leaning towards an omni
> stereo. What I want to do is simplify all the times I lay down acoustic
> parts when it's just me in the (smallish) control room. I usually set up
> a good mic, throw blankets over anything that's making too much noise
> (it's not so noisy that I can't use an omni, but the computer, drives and
> all that add up to something) and just make do, but it'd be nice to not
> have to return to standing in front of the mic after every knob
> adjustment, having it clipped to me. Plus, if someone joins in all I'd
> need to do is get them going, not move my mic stand so they can enter the
> room, move it again so they can sit, etc.
>
> Figure it can come in handy for other things too. Has anyone been
> satisfied doing any kind of acoustic guitar recording using any
> manufacturer's $200 mini mic? Any to avoid?

It almost seems like you intentionally avoided saying so, but the way you
described it, my guess is you're looking for a mic to be mounted inside
your guitar. If so, I'd make two points.

1. Internal mics are convenient for live work. And in a live situation
(where feedback can be controlled), they usually sound marginally better
than a piezo type transducer. They are in no way up to the task of
producing quality recordings (IMO), because a guitar sounds substantially
different on the inside than it does on the outside. Plus, as with any
acoustic instrument, the room is a big part of the sound.

2. There are damned few $200 condensers I'd recommend for anything more
critical than paperweight duty. Of the ones I would recommend, none would
fit very easily inside a guitar.

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Try searching for an used AKG 451 on eBay....
They are often sold around $200-$250....
Take a look at http://www.prepal.com/manufacturers.htm



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>>I ended up spending about $200 less than I thought I'd have to for my
>> Craig's List June G.A.S. attack Larrivee, so I want to make up the
>> difference with a mini condenser gooseneck for it. Haven't decided
>> yet omni or cardiod, single or stereo, though I'm leaning towards an
>> omni stereo. What I want to do is simplify all the times I lay down
>> acoustic parts when it's just me in the (smallish) control room. I
>> usually set up a good mic, throw blankets over anything that's making
>> too much noise (it's not so noisy that I can't use an omni, but the
>> computer, drives and all that add up to something) and just make do,
>> but it'd be nice to not have to return to standing in front of the mic
>> after every knob adjustment, having it clipped to me. Plus, if someone
>> joins in all I'd need to do is get them going, not move my mic stand so
>> they can enter the room, move it again so they can sit, etc.
>>
>> Figure it can come in handy for other things too. Has anyone been
>> satisfied doing any kind of acoustic guitar recording using any
>> manufacturer's $200 mini mic? Any to avoid?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> V
>>
> I'm with agent 86 here. I think you're pretty much fooling yourself to
> think you'll find a good recording mini-mic for $200. The countryman minis
> are very good for live, but I believe they're out of your price range, and
> maybe not up to recording. For one mic for $200, you'd best think 'live OR
> recording' but *not* both. Toss a coin, bite the bullet. For $200 for
> recording, check out the oktava 012, crown 700, maybe one of the new ATs
> (2020?).
>
> Mikey Wozniak
> Nova Music Productions
> this sig is haiku
>

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vdubreeze@earthlink.net wrote:

> I ended up spending about $200 less than I thought I'd
have to for my
> Craig's List June G.A.S. attack Larrivee, so I want to
make up the
> difference with a mini condenser gooseneck for it.
Haven't decided
> yet omni or cardiod, single or stereo, though I'm leaning
towards an
> omni stereo. What I want to do is simplify all the times
I lay down
> acoustic parts when it's just me in the (smallish) control
room. I
> usually set up a good mic, throw blankets over anything
that's making
> too much noise (it's not so noisy that I can't use an
omni, but the
> computer, drives and all that add up to something) and
just make do,
> but it'd be nice to not have to return to standing in
front of the mic
> after every knob adjustment, having it clipped to me.
Plus, if
> someone joins in all I'd need to do is get them going, not
move my
> mic stand so they can enter the room, move it again so
they can sit,
> etc.

> Figure it can come in handy for other things too. Has
anyone been
> satisfied doing any kind of acoustic guitar recording
using any
> manufacturer's $200 mini mic? Any to avoid?

Since you mentioned stereo, you dropped the bar another
notch to $100 mini mics.

The traditional price point for mini mics has been more like
$300 - each!

I think that there are some cheap mini-mics around, mostly
sold as choir mics. I seem to recall that Audio Technica and
CAD had some.

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DW Griffi wrote:
> I don't think that's what the poster is asking about. He wants a
> gooseneck mini mic, the kind you can attach to an acoustic at the strap
> lock or soundhole and point back at the instrument. Sounds like he's
> willing to compromise sound quality from hi end full sized mics in order
> to not have to stand in front of a mic stand in his control room.
>
>
> I've seen and heard guitarists using Sennheiser e908b's and AKG C417's
> (?) and the both sounded very good, but unfortunately were probably
> blended with something else at the time. Couldn't ascertain.



This is right. I guess I didn't phrase it well. I've been doing
this with full size condensers (414, 87, 451, etc) and the drag is that
the quiet part of the room is naturally the farthest from the knobs and
keyboard, so it's been making adjustments, hitting record and walking
back over to the mic on a stand in the other direction. A few times
is OK but a night of this is pretty tiresome! I realize it won't
sound the same as XXX mic on a stand, but it's not for pristine
purposes. And I've never heard an internally mounted pickup (well,
under $400) that didn't give me hives.

Not asking for the best way to record an acoustic guitar, this isn't
that scenario. Just the favorite mini goosenecked condenser for it.

Thanks


V

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 15:01:58 +0000, John Albert wrote:

> But... which of the "damned few" _would_ you recommend?

AT3035 for one. But not inside a guitar.

Sometimes you can find a C535 on sale, or an AE5100.

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In article <pan.2005.06.28.15.29.59.999688@control.gov> maxwellsmart@control.gov writes:

> > But... which of the "damned few" _would_ you recommend?
>
> AT3035 for one. But not inside a guitar.
> Sometimes you can find a C535 on sale, or an AE5100.

You obviously didn't read or understant his requirement. He doesn't
want a microphone on a stand, he wants one that will remain in a fixed
position relative to his guitar.

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Mike Rivers wrote:

> In article <pan.2005.06.28.15.29.59.999688@control.gov> maxwellsmart@control.gov writes:
>
> > > But... which of the "damned few" _would_ you recommend?
> >
> > AT3035 for one. But not inside a guitar.
> > Sometimes you can find a C535 on sale, or an AE5100.
>
> You obviously didn't read or understant his requirement. He doesn't
> want a microphone on a stand, he wants one that will remain in a fixed
> position relative to his guitar.
>
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How about the ATM-35(pro) ...or what ever it's called these
days. ...not the lower end 35x , though that might work in
this application too.

Later...

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> Figure it can come in handy for other things too. Has anyone been
> satisfied doing any kind of acoustic guitar recording using any
> manufacturer's $200 mini mic? Any to avoid?

I think no one mentioned these ones in the thread:

<http://www.appliedmic.com/details.asp?ID=21>

Probably much more than $200, though...
There was one on ebay a few months ago for about $300

Mike

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In article <BEEB037A.B5AD%ten@nozirev.gamnocssj.com>,
SSJVCmag <ten@nozirev.gamnocssj.com> wrote:


>
> >> Figure it can come in handy for other things too. Has anyone been
> >> satisfied doing any kind of acoustic guitar recording using any
> >> manufacturer's $200 mini mic? Any to avoid?
>
> Again, the ol' AKG C-535 holds its own here...


And again someone posts without reading the question (even though he
quotes it).


The C-535 isn't a mini mic. Poster wants to mount a miniature mic on a
gooseneck to the guitar, like the Applied Microphone systems, as pointed
to by mtueller. These are great, though quite a bit more expensive,
but I've been curious myself about the S3G, which is a mini omni that
mounts inside but facing out, beyond the sound hole, so it's mounted but
not really internal (for that "internal sound" ).

http://www.appliedmic.com/details.asp?ID=22


Their S15G seems like the more standard thing the poster was envisioning.

http://www.appliedmic.com/details.asp?ID=21


If either one one went for $300 on ebay that's a really good deal. I
can verify the gooseneck mount one sounds pretty good. Never come
across an S3G. Anyone?


DW

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