tweak your cheap digital audio player

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"dale" <dallen@frognet.net> wrote in message
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> want better sound try this mod

>
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBON [...] ngeek.html

It's 100% snake oil. I can't believe that the IEEE is
publishing this kind of anti-technology barf.

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Richard Crowley <rcrowley7@xprt.net> wrote:
>"Arny Krueger" wrote ...
>> "dale" wrote...
>>> want better sound try this mod
>> http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBON [...] ngeek.html
>>
>> It's 100% snake oil. I can't believe that the IEEE is
>> publishing this kind of anti-technology barf.
>
>They are telling IEEE members how to solder and reminding
>them to unplug from the mains to avoid electrocution. What
>on earth has happened to the IEEE?

It's got full of software guys. Welcome to the DSP revolution.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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"dale" <dallen@frognet.net> wrote in message
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> "It's 100% snake oil. I can't believe that the IEEE is
> publishing this kind of anti-technology barf. "
>
> gee why does this response not surprise me????
> how come many others with better credentials feel that
this
> type of change is good?

Really, why don't you recite my credentials, since you seem
to know them so well.

> what monitoring system have you used to come to these
> "theories" of your's?

Many different playback systems, some mine, some belonging
to others.

> when will you bury that dead horse?

When it dies.

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It is the last sentence that convinces me that it is a hoax: "Then spin
a disk on auto-repeat for a day or two to "burn-in" the unit; the sound
will surely improve during burn-in." What in that system would have a
time constant of a few days? Surely improve?

That, and the advice to increase capacitors by 20%....factors of two
could change something IF they were really underspecified to begin
with. Oh well.

dhs

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> educate me please

OK, I'll take up the challenge. Here are some general points:

[1] You are treating this newsgroup like a chat room, which it is not.
We value discussion and the exchange of useful information here.

[2] Your posts are insulting and factually off base--you appear to
ignore what people are actually writing. A range of opinions is being
expressed here, but even if that were not the case, there is no reason
to call people whom you disagree with "parrots".

[3] You are also wrong to say that "you [i.e. Arny Krueger] and yours
just quote specifications". What you're stating is simply not a fact;
it's a derogatory stereotype that you seem to be stuck on.

[4] This may again relate to chat rooms or instant messaging
environments vs. newsgroups: Writing in all lower case or all upper
case indicates contempt for your readers.

And just so that you get a bit more courtesy than you've given, you
asked:

> wonder what you think of the posting on the mastering website
> that says you should run the new monitors at high volumes for
> 24 hours to get optimum performance. how do the high end people
> like bob katz and his peers find audible differences

One possible answer is that monitor loudspeakers are electromechanical
systems which may need to be "shaken out" in this way; op-amps are not.

Another possible answer is that Bob Katz is honestly reporting his
immediate impressions. We know him here; he's a skilled, serious and
open-minded listener, and his impressions are always interesting even
though they're not "the final word."

Bob's a busy guy; he can't take time off to do controlled listening
tests on every question that comes up. He's also no fool--he knows that
immediate impressions can be misleading. Like everybody else, he has
occasionally made assumptions that he's had to revise or take back
later, and he has learned from that experience the way we all should.

--best regards

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"[2] Your posts are insulting and factually off base--you appear to
ignore what people are actually writing."

and your personal attack does so much for education and illucidation!

this was what I responded to

arny
"It's 100% snake oil. I can't believe that the IEEE is
publishing this kind of anti-technology barf."
dale
gee why does this response not surprise me????
how come many others with better credentials feel that this type of
change is good?
what monitoring system have you used to come to these "theories" of
your's?
arny
"Really, why don't you recite my credentials, since you seem
to know them so well."
dale
"since I am ignorant on
your qualifications
your monitors
educate me please "

my inquiry was on arny's
engineering credentials
and his monitoring system used to assay an aural difference
on any of the said "snake oil" issues.

"[1] You are treating this newsgroup like a chat room,"

such as these postings??

"Live8 Audio in Philly
Live8
Hilarious.....
EWF September Best R&B tune ever?
For your amusment
I'd Like To Try The Sheffield Experiment. Advice requested!
HUGE LOT 450 tapes-Ebay-$10-C&W-EZLISTENING-BIGBAND-SWING
Back! "

"Writing in all lower case or all upper
case indicates contempt for your readers. "

is this the real issue here???
my writing style ??

but calling issues being discussed on
the master website < http://webbd.nls.net:8080/%7Emastering >
(which regularly includes mr katz
the speaker breakin included, mr katz agreed it helped)
and Pro Audio < http://www.pgm.com/pipermail/proaudio/ >
that coincide with my education and experience
being dissed as "snake oil "

This is why I asked arny to
help me understand his standardized "snake oil" response!
(there are 7,060 links with google/Arny Krueger)