Which one should I buy?

These models sound like the Sager NP9890 or Sager NP5760, i would try lookikng into the Sagers. They will surely be better priced!

Hi

I'm from the UK so we don't have any Sager Laptops available here.

The only laptops available to us here in the UK that are easily distributed are HP, Dell, Asus, Rock, Mesh, IBM, Sony, Acer, Advent, Packard Bell.

The first 5 models produce the higher spec notebooks.

Can anyone answer my question about the Proccessors? About which is the most powerful and best for multi tasking:

3.4Ghz 800Mhz FSB Pentium 4 OR Intel Duo Centrino 1.83GHz 667Mhz FSB OR AMD Turion 64 ML-40 Processor 2.2GHz 1600MHz FSB???????

So which is the best graphics card out of the 3 laptops that I listed in the first post :?:

I think the dell m90 is probobly the best laptop out of the 3 for 3d rendering and modeling.

Mark, you are saying the P4 3.4ghz is a better for multitasking than the core duo 18ghz? how much a performance difference are we talking about ruffly ? and would it be werth the heat and noise generated by a desktop p4 chip ?

i think the m90 might be a better machine seeing as it has 2 cores and could be possibly upgraded to a core 2 duo down the road. Also the rock extreme laptop probobly produces much more heat and is heavier + louder than the dell.(i am assuming this based on the fast there is a very fast dekstop chip in it.)

Hi

Regarding the ROCK laptop:
I'm not buying a new OR latest Rock laptop. I found someone to sell the one I listed above, for £900 ($1800), used. I know, for sure, that it gets very hot and very noisy. The 160GB HDD on it IS 7200rpm.

Regarding the Dell M90 laptop:
I'm guessing that this is alot quieter and alot cooler than the Rock because of the core duo, and because it only has a 80GB HDD 5400rpm.
I found the Dell M90, with the specifications listed in the opening post, for £800 ($1600) NEW.


It seems each have good points and bad.....decisions decisions

Somebody told me there isn't that much difference between a 5400rpm and a 7200rpm :?


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I can't pay more than £800 ($1600), and I need a powerful laptop, which is why I'm resorting to buying a used one (with warranty).

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Sager will actually offer a better price then any US Based Clevo Distributor because they have large purchasing power.

The Dell M90 video card (Quadro FX2500M) can be installed in the Sager NP9890 and NP5760 along with the NEW 7950 GTX.

Miro, I think the P4 3.4Ghz chip would be faster for single use apps, and I am guessing that is what he is after with a Quadro card which is good essentially only for rendering, it is definately NOT a gaming card. Remember also that he is talking about vs. Core Duo 1.8 Ghz, not a Core 2 Duo.

The thing about the desktop chip is that it has the 800 Mhz fsb, this would really shine with faster RAM as it says there is 533 Mhz, but with 4 gigs of RAM in it, that is really going to help.

The RAID0 is going to also boost this puppy into the top slot as far as I can see by what he posted.

Do I think it is worth using a desktop chip in a notebook? No.

I assumed that he was buying this used due to the specs.
This weekend I got "explained" out with other posts so I kept it super simple.

Could he get a system for around this price that was better? Probably, it wouldn't have this kind of firepower, but it would be close and be more of like what you were saying less heat, noise and as you can immaging, there is probably a reason someone else is getting rid of it.

I was actually kidding about the Sager thing.
I don't want to go down that road to save a few bucks.
To me, at the level of service I provide, it definately isn't worth it.

ROFL, I am not sure what capability you would gain going somewhere else.
Killer Notebooks of course offers 7800&7900 GTX as well as the FX2500M and upcoming 7950 card, but I am not going to put the 7950 on my site until they are actually released. Since Sager does NOT have this card, Justin is of course talking about a pre-order, and portraying that Sager has them and I don't, it is pretty misleading.
You can see that right Sager's site, and XoticPC gets this part FROM Sager, and if you are that concerned about saving money... you might as well get a system DIRECTLY from Sager instead of going through another middle man: SagerNotebooks

The FX2500M, is a custom order, I don't stock it and the reason is really simple, for the average person it DOES NOT perform to the level of the 7900, if you do rendering, 3D modeling, contact me and we can build a custom system for you custom tailored to you (that's a major difference, not, "Oh, here's your web page and cart, there you go, there's your 3 check box options you have to 'customize' your system." ):

If more capability means, "We portray a $250 upgraded card as something "better" you need that gets 50 fps less for what the average user uses the system for..." that's kind of misleading. But I understand the systems and what is and isn't performance/dollar smart for what you want to do. I question whether some of these guys are actually out in the shop doing it when I hear stuff like that.

I guess the difference is, when I say I have something, I actually have it. It isn't like these horror stories where cusomters order systems and a month later get an email stating that this and that guy in the supply chain couldn't get a part and you know, "It's never the system builders fault..." Well, if the system builder advertises a part they can' get, it in fact, IS their fault.

I am also questioning the actual benefit the 7950 brings to the table for $100 increase in price. There is nothing new there, I am not going to mislead my customers and portray this card as the next coming to make a few bucks. THIS IS AN OVERCLOCKED 7900! More than likely you can get the equivalent performance yourself with coolbits and other O.C. programs!

As far as fast turn around, since I have everything in stock, I don't know how arguably anyone else has faster turn around. You could ask Miro who ordered an Executioner Thursday and got it IN CANADA on Monday.

But of course anyone can make up whatever they want if they are going to just attack you on a forum. It's a M.O. that has really no place on the forums, and we have been told that, and I am honoring my word to the moderators of this forum. Why anyone would do that after being warned is beyond me.

I have heard this a lot from other system builders, that the little tweaks I do to my systems don't make a "Big" difference. A little increase from several components and specialty settings delivers a synergistic effect that OVERALL makes the big difference everyone says doesn't exist... That is until you test them side by side.

But other than saying how K|N isn't as good, you DID get the sagely advice of:

AND

Nothing about the 3 systems that the person put forward in his question, but hey, "Here's how you can buy something like what you asked about that can benefit me."

Justin, I am not "promoting' anything to this person, again YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING THE FACTS.
Go back and read the posts.

Then you posted a bunch of stuff about Killer Notebooks.
Where it came from, I don't know.
AT NO TIME DID I EVER SAY
BUY A KILLER NOTEBOOK
LOOK AT KILLER NOTEBOOKS
OR EVEN
MENTION KILLER NTOEBOOKS!

At that point, when you "subjectively compared" me to someone else with: "you also gain more capability with a Sager." and "and also get allot faster order turnaround." So get a system to upper Canada in 2 shipping days and prove it. and "In real world use, the ram is not going to make that much of a difference."&"Mark are you saying if you have a system with OCZ vs. a Major brand ram side by side you will see the difference?" Obviously I do, obviously the industry does because as ANYONE who overclocks knows the RAM makes a HUGE difference, I wouldn't think I would have to tell you that. Then I also get to hear, "Sager resellers are better alternative for support/pricing/customization options available." Wow, Sager offers the level of customization I do? That's news to everyone else in the industry that is trying to emulate my model for customization.

I simply corrected the things YOU said about Killer Notebooks.
But, "Mark, this is not an attack on you." Then why was I brought into it at all? I never brought it up, but I'm promoting? I just answered the guys question about which machine he posted of three would be better and why. Then the next thing I know I have to be defending my product. Why the confrontation brah, why you gotta be a hater?

So if I understand this right, the moral of the story is, "If you want a system builder moving 1000's of machines a month, take a number, sit down, and we'll get to you, when your number is called, but every number is special... like a snowflake."

question.. Isn't that proc single core? and am I wrong to think a 1.83 core duo would multitask better? I just thought that was odd but maybe you have a linky?

Now on another topic, what's up with the huge posts for such simple question.. You guys should just PM each other cause it hurts my eyes to see you go back and forth. Neither of you are wrong, from your own individual perspective. But I would like to point out One thing since I did read it all. Though KN doesn't explicitly say.. buy a Killer Notebook.. You do have a whopping big linked picture to your site. If that isn't advertisement, what is? peace

As others have stated, if you have a problem with someone that doesnt pertain to the post use the PM system, that is what its there for.

Mark, you have no room to talk about adding in.....

Find no need to quote the obvious..... You started with the comments about Sagers....Why dont you just let it rest or PM me if you want to discuss further.

don't read 'em then.

You always have 2 cents to add don't you James? I put that big freaking dagger out when I proclaim victory. Look at any post before that, before you... I mean Justin started talking smack and there isn't ONE, not even one logo or link while you have 3 so save it you trouble maker.Well that was uncalled for... but you still haven't answered my question.. how is the 3.4ghz p4 better at multitasking than a 1.83 core duo?

Well obviously an F350 has a higher torque than even two honda civics... But two honda civics can go two different directions.. You can't do that in an f350

Isn't it better to have two honda civics for multitasking?
And can you just help me understand that in computer terms.. I'm not good at automechanics.. The best i've ever done is minor repairs like brake/rotors, plugs, muffler, and once i helped replace a clutch..

Good answer, and I never said you didn't know what you're talking about, only that you should debate seperate issues unrelated to the original post over PM. I'm not here to erk you.. (though i seem to excell at it) =P I only posted because it seemed odd that a P4 would be better than a CoreDuo. All of intels own info will pretty much say CD is more efficient and far superior per ghz... even toms interactive cpu guide gives credit to the idea that a core duo would trounce the p4 in multitasking and 3-d rendering.. though they don't list the 1.83... closest could be an AMD 4200x2.. But it's fudging really. Ofcourse these systems are very different, more than the cpu, and I can certainly understand why it would make a big difference now. Thanks for clearing that up some.