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Anonymous
July 11, 2005 4:35:29 AM

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Hi there,

Do some of you guys have experience with good lowcost broadcasting mics
with spider cradle? it will be used just for one anouncer on a digital
board (soundcraft rm1ds). How good is the SE 2200A?

as guest mics we thought to get some AKG C1000.

any indeas? thanks

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Anonymous
July 11, 2005 5:44:38 AM

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the budget would be 300-400europ for the anouncer mic
and 800-900euro for 4guest mics

chris
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 12:14:39 PM

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 03:35:29 -0400, crensch wrote
(in article <1121067329.499397.198220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):

> Hi there,
>
> Do some of you guys have experience with good lowcost broadcasting mics
> with spider cradle? it will be used just for one anouncer on a digital
> board (soundcraft rm1ds). How good is the SE 2200A?
>
> as guest mics we thought to get some AKG C1000.
>
> any indeas? thanks
>

STEP AWAY FROM THE C1000!!!

AT2020. Don't think twice, it's alright.

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
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Anonymous
July 11, 2005 12:57:09 PM

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"crensch" <crensch@twr.org> wrote in message
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> Hi there,
>
> Do some of you guys have experience with good lowcost broadcasting
> mics with spider cradle?

Make up your mind, do you want good or low cost? Just because
advertisers claim that the all-new MicLone Cheeperstill Deluxe is "just
as good" as the venerable Endust/Ree Standard doesn't mean it's true.

That doesn't mean you have to break the bank though. There are lots of
decent mics for that application at reasonable prices. Like anything
else though, there's a big difference between "lowest price" and "best
value."

As for which ones to consider, that subject has been covered many, many,
many times here. Use Google groups search... (start with this link):

http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=vo+microphone&as_u...

When you're done with that, you can start searching for the thousands of
reasons NOT to use an AKG C1000 for anything in any way related to
audio, except possibly for crowd control.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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Anonymous
July 11, 2005 12:58:51 PM

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On 11 Jul 2005 01:44:38 -0700, "crensch" <crensch@twr.org> wrote:

>the budget would be 300-400europ for the anouncer mic
>and 800-900euro for 4guest mics
>
>chris

And an absolute must - a few more dollars on pop screens for
everybody.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 1:16:48 PM

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crensch <crensch@twr.org> wrote:
>
>Do some of you guys have experience with good lowcost broadcasting mics
>with spider cradle? it will be used just for one anouncer on a digital
>board (soundcraft rm1ds). How good is the SE 2200A?

What do you want it to sound like? Have you considered the RE-16?
What is "low cost?"

>as guest mics we thought to get some AKG C1000.

They are harsh and screechy and pop very easily, but in an AM
situation where you have 8 KC bandwidth at best, that screechiness
can be helpful. The popping is a problem, though.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 1:19:17 PM

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crensch <crensch@twr.org> wrote:
>the budget would be 300-400europ for the anouncer mic

You can get a real RE-20 for a good bit less than that. Don't know
what the Sennheiser 421 sells for over there, but that's another
excellent announcer mike.

>and 800-900euro for 4guest mics

RE-16 would be a good start. If your room is good enough and your
placement careful enough, the 635A might not be a bad choice either,
but the omni pattern will really emphasize room problems.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 1:56:29 PM

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crensch wrote:
> the budget would be 300-400europ for the anouncer mic
> and 800-900euro for 4guest mics
>
> chris

EV RE20 from www.thomann.de ?
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 2:01:06 PM

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I probably wouldn't buy either (especially the C1000).

I'd go with good dynamics.

What's your budget?

JP

"crensch" <crensch@twr.org> a écrit dans le message de
news:1121067329.499397.198220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi there,
>
> Do some of you guys have experience with good lowcost broadcasting mics
> with spider cradle? it will be used just for one anouncer on a digital
> board (soundcraft rm1ds). How good is the SE 2200A?
>
> as guest mics we thought to get some AKG C1000.
>
> any indeas? thanks
>
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 2:26:21 PM

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On 11 Jul 2005 00:35:29 -0700, "crensch" <crensch@twr.org> wrote:

>Do some of you guys have experience with good lowcost broadcasting mics
>with spider cradle? it will be used just for one anouncer on a digital
>board (soundcraft rm1ds). How good is the SE 2200A?

Why a spider cradle?
The Shure SM7 is popular for this job.


>
>as guest mics we thought to get some AKG C1000.

Possibly the LEAST popular mics round here! Buy a couple just to
piss off the regulars :-)
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 3:13:55 PM

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An excellent choice for the announcer indeed.
Also, the Shure SM-7 can be bought new for abou 360 Euros.
Not as forgiving as the RE20 regarding placement but it sounds very nice on
a variety of voices.

For guests, you should be able to find EV RE16s in that price range, I like
them but some folks find them too natural for BC voice - not enough "chest".

You might like the Beyer M69 for guests.

Used Sennheiser MD421-U might do the trick, they're brighter though.

JP

"Anahata" <anahata@treewind.co.uk> a écrit dans le message de
news:42d234fa$0$2860$ed2e19e4@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net...
> crensch wrote:
> > the budget would be 300-400europ for the anouncer mic
> > and 800-900euro for 4guest mics
> >
> > chris
>
> EV RE20 from www.thomann.de ?
July 11, 2005 3:13:56 PM

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:13:55 +0200, "JP Gerard" <jpgerard@skynet.be>
wrote:

>Also, the Shure SM-7 can be bought new for abou 360 Euros.
>Not as forgiving as the RE20 regarding placement but it sounds very nice on
>a variety of voices.

I agree. I generally like the SM-7's better though.

>For guests, you should be able to find EV RE16s in that price range, I like
>them but some folks find them too natural for BC voice - not enough "chest".

I like EV 767's too for a cheap mic that sounds good. they have a
very tight pattern however and might not be best for every situation.
Ideally you'd get some 767's (hyper cardioids) some RE-16's
(cardioids) and some 635's (omni's)

>Used Sennheiser MD421-U might do the trick, they're brighter though.

For the main mic I assume as they are not in his guest mic. I don't
like the DJ's I have heard that use 421's on air. I like them well
enough for live sound.

Julian
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 3:13:56 PM

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:13:55 +0100, JP Gerard wrote
(in article <42d23855$0$20984$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>):

> An excellent choice for the announcer indeed.
> Also, the Shure SM-7 can be bought new for abou 360 Euros.

Where from? I've never seen them cheaper than 500 Euros (at
musiciansgear.com).


John

--

yorkio65 at yahoo dot co dot uk
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 5:57:18 PM

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I'm thinking without VAT, you're thinking with VAT...

Here in Belgium www.prosl.com have it at 370 + vat or so.

JP

"John Adair" <nkchuckf@k.mailsiphon.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:0001HW.BEF80AA30534E6C7F02845B0@proxy.news.easynews.com...
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:13:55 +0100, JP Gerard wrote
> (in article <42d23855$0$20984$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>):
>
> > An excellent choice for the announcer indeed.
> > Also, the Shure SM-7 can be bought new for abou 360 Euros.
>
> Where from? I've never seen them cheaper than 500 Euros (at
> musiciansgear.com).
>
>
> John
>
> --
>
> yorkio65 at yahoo dot co dot uk
>
July 11, 2005 5:58:51 PM

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Kindof on topic...

does anyone know what mic Howard Stern uses for his regular mic?

I can hear a definite difference even on the car radio, when he moves
from his normal desk position and moves around the studio with a
handheld.

His regular mic sounds quite good by comparison.

Mark
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 6:14:09 PM

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On 11 Jul 2005 00:35:29 -0700, "crensch" <crensch@twr.org> wrote:

>Hi there,
>
>Do some of you guys have experience with good lowcost broadcasting mics
>with spider cradle? it will be used just for one anouncer on a digital
>board (soundcraft rm1ds). How good is the SE 2200A?
>
>as guest mics we thought to get some AKG C1000.
>
>any indeas? thanks

At CJSR (campus & community radio, low budget) we use Rode
Broadcasters. We're happy with them.

We used to use Sennheiser MD421. Good sound, but they got too
expensive.

We tried generic Chinese large-diaphragm condensers. Too many
failures.

C1000 is not a good mic for voice. Harsh high end, pop-sensitive low
end. If you can't trade them for something else, try a BIG foam muff.

You would be better off trading them for SM57's with foam muffs.

Mike T.
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 6:14:10 PM

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Mike T. <miket@invalid.net> wrote:

> C1000 is not a good mic for voice.

As opposed to what? Is there something the C1000 *is* good for?
Besides giving us something to bitch about?

ulysses
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 6:14:10 PM

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Mike T. <miket@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>We used to use Sennheiser MD421. Good sound, but they got too
>expensive.

How did they get too expensive?

You buy them once and there are no ongoing costs, right?
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 6:14:11 PM

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Justin Ulysses Morse <ulyssesnospam@rollmusic.com> wrote:
>Mike T. <miket@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>> C1000 is not a good mic for voice.
>
>As opposed to what? Is there something the C1000 *is* good for?
>Besides giving us something to bitch about?

The screechy top end on the C1000 is probably designed to make sounds
come across well on a highly bandlimited medium. I could see the C1000
and C3000 being good broadcast mikes for AM stations.

Sort of like a higher tech version of the old Turner mikes. They were
horribly distorted but really got a voice through the muck well in
communications applications.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 8:49:18 PM

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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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> RE-16 would be a good start. If your room is good enough and your
> placement careful enough, the 635A might not be a bad choice either,
> but the omni pattern will really emphasize room problems.

Not to mention leakage from guest to guest. When you have one person who's
very quiet and another who's very loud, the Rule of Threes isn't enough to
eliminate comb filtering. RE16s for the guests, by all means.

Peace,
Paul
Anonymous
July 11, 2005 11:48:53 PM

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On the TV show (not that I sit and watch, but on occasion when flipping
through channels),
I've noticed has a silver TLM103, Robin uses a SM7.

Don't know if the TV show and radio broadcasts are done in the same studio.

Mario

"Mark" <makolber@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1121115531.836886.306660@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> Kindof on topic...
>
> does anyone know what mic Howard Stern uses for his regular mic?
>
> I can hear a definite difference even on the car radio, when he moves
> from his normal desk position and moves around the studio with a
> handheld.
>
> His regular mic sounds quite good by comparison.
>
> Mark
>
Anonymous
July 12, 2005 3:29:43 AM

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:57:18 +0100, JP Gerard wrote
(in article <42d25e9b$0$3599$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be>):

> I'm thinking without VAT, you're thinking with VAT...
>
> Here in Belgium www.prosl.com have it at 370 + vat or so.

Ah yes, you're quite right, I was...

John

--

yorkio65 at yahoo dot co dot uk
Anonymous
July 12, 2005 3:38:06 AM

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In article <1121067329.499397.198220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"crensch" <crensch@twr.org> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Do some of you guys have experience with good lowcost broadcasting mics
> with spider cradle? it will be used just for one anouncer on a digital
> board (soundcraft rm1ds). How good is the SE 2200A?
>
> as guest mics we thought to get some AKG C1000.
>
> any indeas? thanks

How about a Shure KSM27?
Anonymous
July 12, 2005 4:47:01 AM

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Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

> The screechy top end on the C1000 is probably designed to make sounds
> come across well on a highly bandlimited medium. I could see the C1000
> and C3000 being good broadcast mikes for AM stations.

Maybe if your idea of a good AM broadcast is one that sounds more like
an FM broadcast. The reason I prefer the sound of AM radio is that it
doesn't have all that nasty harsh, sibilant treble distortion that FM
radio typically has. Our ears can adjust to a lack of HF information,
but I don't know how anybody can get used to that other stuff.

ulysses
Anonymous
July 12, 2005 4:50:28 PM

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Ty Ford <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote:

> The weird thing is, once you know how to connect and disconnect the 421 from
> the clip, the clips don't break.


I take it you've never worked at a volunteer-run college radio station.

I know, YOU no longer break them and I no longer break them. But those
students take lots of classes so they're very smart. They can do
almost anything. They can go through a case of headphones like it's a
bowl of mints.

ulysses
Anonymous
July 12, 2005 7:12:25 PM

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On 12 Jul 2005 07:46:07 -0400, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>Anybody who can break the windscreen on a 421 in a broadcast situation
>should probably get some therapy for his aggressive feelings.
>--scott

I think some of our volunteers use us as their therapy!
Mike T.
CJSR - FM 88.5, at the extreme left of your dial
Anonymous
July 12, 2005 9:25:28 PM

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:50:28 -0400, Justin Ulysses Morse wrote
(in article <1121190657.337c9b4d7f44d340095c6a04951a29e2@teranews>):

> Ty Ford <tyreeford@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> The weird thing is, once you know how to connect and disconnect the 421
>> from
>> the clip, the clips don't break.
>
>
> I take it you've never worked at a volunteer-run college radio station.
>
> I know, YOU no longer break them and I no longer break them. But those
> students take lots of classes so they're very smart. They can do
> almost anything. They can go through a case of headphones like it's a
> bowl of mints.
>
> ulysses

Burp! Well of course you are correct.

Ty

-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
Anonymous
July 13, 2005 2:27:14 PM

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Jim Gilliland <usemylastname@cheerful.com> wrote:


> Those clips got broken all the time, seemed like the mics were always
> being held on with duct tape.

Elastic bands are much better and more versatile: depending on how you
wrap them, you can align the mic along or across the boom.

With a really lightweight portable set-up, I just sling in a handfull of
elastic bands and don't bother to carry mic clips at all.

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