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August 1, 2003 4:47:47 PM

Would appreciate some advice as to the best memory sticks (brand/model number, etc) for the Asus P4P800 Deluxe Board (865 PE Chipset). I want 1GB - but reading posts, reviews and trying to figure out <A HREF="http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4p800-d/over..." target="_new">Asus's qualified vendors list</A> - I'm still not clear on this. I will probably use a P4c 2.4/2.6/or2.8 CPU (will depend on price when Scotty is released). I may do some slight OC'ing - but that's not really important to me - this will be a mainstream business (and Photoshop) machine.

I will probably only run one IDE Hard Drive (maybe 2 in a RAID 0 config).

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.html?i=1839" target="_new">AnandTech</A> did a memory review which didn't clear it up. There seems to be a lot of opinions on double sided v single sided sticks, 2 x 512 v 4 x 256, etc. etc.

If anybody has built with this board and has a good recommendation for 1 gig of quality memory, please post a reply.

Thanks for the help.



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August 1, 2003 5:17:53 PM

Ive builted 2 system with a P4P800. One of them with 512 and the other with 1gig of ram. In both system I used Geil Golden Dragon memory. I'd say Corsair's XMS LL and kingston's HyperX series may perform a tad better but it was hard to get corsair and kingston was backorder. Anyhow I found both system to perform really well and to be really stable(Both P4P800 and both P4 2.6c). I like the Golden dragon, its a bit cheaper than Kingstona and corsair while running at pretty good timming(2-3-3-6)with DDR voltage at 1.75v.
So I go recommand Geil's Golden Dragon for its good price/stability/performance ratio.
August 1, 2003 5:28:16 PM

After reading the AnandTech article/review - I'm still not clear on 2x512 or 4x256 - AnandTech (and Intel) seem to think one is better than the other. I think they concluded that 4x256 double sided was preferable, but I'm not sure. I asked the question in their forum - and the review writer responded without being specific, plus an OCZ rep or fanboy posted some OCZ ad copy - you'd expect that to favor OCZ ...

I'm not saying price isn't an object - but since I'm not a hardcore OC'er - I don't want to pay pemium $ for sticks designed principally for high end OC'ing.





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August 1, 2003 5:38:53 PM

About this 2 vs 4 modules I dont know. But I tought more modules ment more latency altough thise may not apply the same way when in Dual DDR.

Also the high end DDr400 modules are not made for overclocking they are made for high performance at 200mhz ddr...
August 1, 2003 5:41:44 PM

The 2 vs 4 stick thing was inluded in the AnandTech article - they made some reference to an Intel white paper ... I've never found that much clearity in Intel papers.

Edit: I want to clearify one thing - we're talking about DDR400 (PC 3200) right - not PC 3500 or higher?



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August 1, 2003 10:48:55 PM

i would say go for crucial...their memory is always compatable...just use their memory selecter pick out the board you are using and thats it...it is a no fuss no worry way of getting memory since you know you are getting it from the industry leader in memory technology...

Fear not crucial sticks for being only cas 2.5...since jdec does not have a cas 2 pc3200 standard yet crucial has not begun manufacturing cas 2 memory...i would be willing to bet that most of their mem could run cas 2 just fine as normally crucials memory has quite a bit of headroom...

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... :cool:
August 1, 2003 10:57:46 PM

ok...i totally missed the fact that you were shooting for 1ghz fsb...in that case i would go for the lowest timming pc3700 you can find...it has been my observation that the pc4000 sticks seem to just be overclocked pc3700 sticks with amazingly shitty timmings... It seems like the anandtech review had good luck overclocking those ocz modules so if you can afford them i would get those...

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... :cool:
August 2, 2003 12:23:48 AM

Couple of things re: OCZ. 1. The sticks AnandTech used were OCZ4000 GOLD beta modules (I couldn't find these on Newegg - maybe beta means their not available for general sale yet).
2. I recall reading some negative stuff about OCZ quality - don't remember where, but it didn't give a confident feeling in the brand.

I tried the Crucial Memory Selector - for that board, it came up with: 128MB DDR PC3200
DDR PC3200 • CL=3 • Unbuffered • Non-parity • 5ns • 2.5V • 16Meg x 64. Don't want to use 128 Meg sticks.

The original questions included, besides brand/product number, 2x512 or 4x256.





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August 2, 2003 12:51:42 AM

i ment the OCZ3700 GOLD DDR466

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... :cool:
August 2, 2003 12:52:37 AM

yes i too have heard quality problems with ocz in the past but i think they have shaped up since then...or at least i hope so!

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... :cool:
August 2, 2003 1:06:39 AM

What do you think of: Geil, 1GB ( 2 x 512MB ) PC3200 DDR DIMMS, (GL1GB3200DC) (2x512), don't know CAS. $220 for the twin pack?






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August 2, 2003 1:30:12 AM

2 6-3-3 1T thats the timming

Well geil does have a lifetime warantee...the modules do look good...but for 250 you can get kingston modules with a slightly better 2-3-2-6-1...Also have you looked at the geil golden dragons...

I would recomend the kingston modules over the geil modules however...

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... :cool:
August 2, 2003 1:46:58 AM

Couldn't find Golden Dragons - Tried PriceGrabber - they didn't show up - do you know a reseller?



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August 2, 2003 3:42:12 AM

Some of the new Ram takes awhile before we get to buy it.
August 2, 2003 4:01:25 AM

new egg...



3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... :cool:
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August 2, 2003 6:55:14 AM

I looked at the performance decrease from 4-double sided to 4-single sided, which was tiny, to 2 double sided, which was small, to 2 single sided, which was significant, according to Anandtech's test. I decided that it would be best for me to get 2 512MB double sided modules, so that I could upgrade to 2GB by adding 2 more modules later, if I needed to.

Another thing is, a "1GHz bus" will require you to either use PC4000, or use a lower ratio. The 5:4 ratio will allow PC3200 to run at stock speed with a "1GHz bus".

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August 2, 2003 11:29:29 AM

I can tell you my experience with this board. DO NOT ORDER CORSAIR PC3200LL TWINX. It will not work on the P4P. I had good luck with Mushkin. I can give it two thumbs up. And it's priced right too.
August 2, 2003 4:47:47 PM

Which of these two would you pick, if any:

1. KINGSTON HyperX Series 184-pin 1GB Kit (2x 512MB) DDR433 (PC3500) DDR RAM modules, Model# KHX3500K2/1G
Specifications:
Type: Kingston HyperX
Capacity: 1GB (2x 512MB)
Speed: DDR433 (PC3500)
Latency: CL2 Model#: KHX3500K2/1G

2. KINGSTON HyperX Series 184-pin 1GB Kit (2x 512MB) DDR400 (PC3200) DDR RAM modules, Model# KHX3200K2/1G
Specifications:
Type: Kingston HyperX
Capacity: 1GB (2x 512MB)
Speed: DDR400 (PC3200)
Latency: CAS Latency 2 (2-2-2-6-1T) Model#: KHX3200K2/1G

<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?DEPA=1&submit..." target="_new">Newegg link</A>





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August 2, 2003 7:22:03 PM

i would go for the pc3500...it is just safer IMO...

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... :cool:
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August 2, 2003 10:38:23 PM

Hmm, they're probably the same thing, with different SPD values. Well, if they're similarly priced and the PC3500 looks good, I'd pick that.

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August 2, 2003 10:53:39 PM

I love these <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufa..." target="_new">Geil Golden Dragon PC3500 modules</A>. Reminds me of a Bruce Lee movie ... I love that "red eye" and the graphics - some awesome looking sticks (and $30-50 less than Kingston).

RE:GeIL Golden Dragon Dual DDR 1GB(2x512MB) 433MHz Model GD3500-1000DC Retail
Specifications:
Dual Channel SPD Enhanced PC3500 Dual DDR 1GB; Special design for dual channel motherboard
Dragon Eye: One red led on PCB board for memory module ON/OFF detection
Hand Picked Golden Dragon 5ns!
Advanced WLCSP Package
6 Layers Ultra Low Noises Shielded Golden Color PCB board
Pin Count: 184
Chip Denisity: 32x8
CAS/Timing 2 6-3-3 1T @PC3500
Voltage: 2.5v-3.1V
Warranty: Lifetime Model#: GD3500-1000DC $224.00 Free Shipping

Edit: Ah, but no sexy heat spreaders



<b><font color=red>I did NOT have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky ... - Bill "Cigar Man" Clinton</font color=red><b><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Jake_Barnes on 08/02/03 07:48 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
August 2, 2003 11:03:02 PM

Thanks for the post - I'll look at Mushkin - although I don't know much about the brand. Do you recall the product ID?



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August 2, 2003 11:26:46 PM

i got some mushkin pc150 modules...they have nice sexy heat spreaders :cool:

Anyhow they run fine...although i have yet to run them at their limit...

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... :cool:
August 3, 2003 3:46:38 AM

Nice sexy heat spreaders. So what else is new. Leave it to you to come up with that one.
August 3, 2003 3:57:14 AM

they ARE...sexy nice and purple! What more can i ask for...

pc150 at 2-2-2 is damn good IMO

3 386DX-25's...12 volts...glue some ln2 and a wicked amount of overclocking and you get a willamantee minus 36 pins, 33.75 million transistors and a couple hundred mhz... :cool:
August 3, 2003 12:05:50 PM

If you go to mushkin.com they have black, blue and green versions. I got the blue. My system detected them at 2337. The web site says they are suposed to be 2.544 . They didn't mention the last number. Anyway they looked pretty good but I am still working out some bugs. So I will hold off my full recommendation at this time. I wish I had the black version. I'm kinda stuck using whatever they have at frys. They did me a favor and took some memory back that was past the 14 days. But I ain't getting my money back.
August 3, 2003 3:49:58 PM

Mine are sexy nice and blue. HyperX
August 4, 2003 8:00:48 AM

I figured out I had overclocked the CPU too much. So I would definetly recommend the Mushkin blue or black if you can afford it.
August 4, 2003 7:35:10 PM

This is <A HREF="http://developer.intel.com/technology/memory/ddr/valid/..." target="_new">Intel's DDR400 Unbuffered DIMM Validation Results</A>.

For those reading this thread & are curious as to what Intel has "validated" to date.



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August 5, 2003 3:33:51 AM

purple is far sexier than blue...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
August 5, 2003 7:14:12 AM

Thanks for the link. There is one big problem with the list. All the big name brands are not there except Kingston. I wonder why?
August 6, 2003 12:52:35 PM

I thought I'd call Asus and talk to their tech support people - you've got to be persistent to get through (just don't let them push you off to their web site).

Anyway, I asked the tech rep to give me some names of memory vendors that he knows to be compatible with the Asus-865PE board. I mentioned the <A HREF="http://usa.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4p800-d/over..." target="_new">
P4P800 Deluxe DDR400 Memory Qualified Vender List</A>.

The Asus rep I spoke with said he would recommend these four memory vendors: Corsair, Mushkin, Unigen and SmartM. When I mentioned that the last three were not on the "Qualified Vendor List" - he said that was just some list submitted to Asus by vendors initially to claim compatibility - it is not a list of modules that Asus, themselves, tested.





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August 6, 2003 8:58:29 PM

never heard of the last two..but i have heard of trouble with corsair modules on asus boards...kingston is a good alternative...although with these boards it does not really matter what brand you get...it matters how lucky you are...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
August 6, 2003 9:25:40 PM

lol - with Asus, I think you're right.



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August 8, 2003 2:00:59 PM

This post is to share with everyone some replys from Corsair's support forum:

<A HREF="http://www.houseofhelp.com/v2/showthread.php?s=&threadi..." target="_new">First Thread</A>
<A HREF="http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&thr..." target="_new">Second Thread</A>
Hope this is of some help to those interested in Corsair memory ...




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August 9, 2003 3:52:57 AM

I'm using HyperX with my Abit IS7.
August 9, 2003 5:45:44 AM

GFY :smile:

ha....you have weak BLUE heatspreaders...i have the sexy purple....

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:
August 18, 2003 2:29:11 PM

Kingston sounds pretty well recommended here.

On P4P800 Deluxe, How about between
Kingston 512x2 DDR500 PC4000 KHX400K2/1G (3-4-4-8-1 timings at 500) and
Kingston 512x2 DDR434 PC3500 KHX3500/512 x 2 ? (2-4-4-8-1T timings at 434) ? The price for the two is about the same. Maybe you would recommend something else in the same price range or less (<$275 or so for 1gig)?
August 19, 2003 2:59:24 PM

Corsair seems to be having troubles. There are at least three threads on the Corsair message board where a Corsair rep invites someone with an Asus board to fill out the RMA form.

Troubleshooting my Corsair TwinX PC3200, I ran four different recommended permutations of voltages and timings through Memtest86, plus the default settings. I got 7681 errors with default settings, and things got worse from there.

Testing the individual DIMMs in slots A1, A2 and B1 revealed that one of my DIMMs is apparently just fine, and the other gets 4452 errors in slot A2 and 4810 errors in slot B1.

Bad DIMM! Bad, BAD DIMM!

What a fun week it's been, getting to this point. A good relief, though, to finally know what the heck is going on.

Back to Fry's to exchange my Corsair sticks for one of the Kingston sets recommended by Asus.

Cheers,
Peyton
August 19, 2003 6:39:01 PM

You know, the more I read about that board, the more it scares me ...



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