Haha, good point KN. I wouldn't say that I am looking for an enthusiast notebook, but one that can handle any current gen games ie: COD2 or BF 2142. That being said, I am looking for something with a 17 inch screen for about 2000 USD, give or take a few hundred. Like I originally said I have looked at stuff from Dell, HP, Killer Notebooks and Toshiba. any other recommendations would be most appreciated.