How's this mic?

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I just discovered ADK as a mic brand...
Does it build good o bad microphones?
I mean.... is it like Behringer? Worse? Better? How much better? Half way to
AKG? to Neumann?
The mics look nice but I'm not going to watch them! I need to know how they
sound like? Are they modifiable? Did you ever tried Mr.Dorsey?
Expecially the SC1 and the Vienna Edition models....

Thanks for the replies...
F

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"Federico" <plokmichael@tiscali.it> a écrit dans le message de
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> I just discovered ADK as a mic brand...
> Does it build good o bad microphones?

"It" builds OK mics.

> I mean.... is it like Behringer?

NO!

>Worse?

NO! Come on!!!

> Better?

I think so...

> How much better?

Not sure how I could answer this one...

> Half way to
> AKG?

Modern AKG? Old AKG?
What does "half way to AKG" mean?

> to Neumann?

Look at the difference in price and find the answer...

> The mics look nice but I'm not going to watch them! I need to know how
they
> sound like?

ADK's forte is definitely not the appearance.
They come in a variety of tones and textures.
You should audition before you buy - can you find a retailer locally that
would have a bunch of mics on demo?

> Are they modifiable?

Yes.

> Did you ever tried Mr.Dorsey?

I'd like to know as well ;O)

> Expecially the SC1 and the Vienna Edition models....

Why? Have you tried them? If not why focus on those two models?

> Thanks for the replies...

May I distract you from your path for a minute and point you this way...
www.adkmic.com/forum
where you could look for and ask questions...

JP

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I tried an ADK mic. Can't remember the model but it was a back electret
condenser (small silver pencil shape mic not dissimilar looking to the
AKG451. In fact I wanted a cheap 451 for a hi hat mic. From a hi hat mic I
expect extended frequency range that is pretty flat between 1khz and 18khz
(or maybe a lift in the air frequencies). I also expect the polar pattern to
be pretty tight. One of the applications of the ADK was hi hat according to
the blurb.

Turned out the mic was as dark sounding as hell and picked up more nearby
snare drum than it did hat. I sent it back and payed the difference for a
451 which I'm happy with for the application.

Don't know what their other mics are like.

Martin




"Federico" <plokmichael@tiscali.it> wrote in message
news:awSDe.190996$75.8254887@news4.tin.it...
> I just discovered ADK as a mic brand...
> Does it build good o bad microphones?
> I mean.... is it like Behringer? Worse? Better? How much better? Half way
to
> AKG? to Neumann?
> The mics look nice but I'm not going to watch them! I need to know how
they
> sound like? Are they modifiable? Did you ever tried Mr.Dorsey?
> Expecially the SC1 and the Vienna Edition models....
>
> Thanks for the replies...
> F
>
>

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The problem I have is that I live in Italy and the only way to try out a mic
is buying one...
I know that ADK are cheap (talking 'bout money) but I really don't want to
get another C1000 that I cannot re-sell because it is not an AKG....
I mostly do live recordings and I thought I could get a pair of not
expensive condenser mics just in case I need them (percussions, strings,
acoustic guitar, audience...).
I do not have enough money in this moment to buy the mics I want (which are
a couple of 414 and 3 or 4 AKG 451or Neumann KM184). Any other suggestion on
mics I could buy?
Thank you
F



"JP Gerard" <jpgerard@skynet.be> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> > I tried an ADK mic. Can't remember the model but it was a back electret
> > condenser
>
> ADK never produced an electret...
>
> > (small silver pencil shape mic not dissimilar looking to the
> > AKG451. In fact I wanted a cheap 451 for a hi hat mic. From a hi hat mic
I
> > expect extended frequency range that is pretty flat between 1khz and
18khz
> > (or maybe a lift in the air frequencies). I also expect the polar
pattern
> to
> > be pretty tight. One of the applications of the ADK was hi hat according
> to
> > the blurb.
> >
> > Turned out the mic was as dark sounding as hell and picked up more
nearby
> > snare drum than it did hat. I sent it back and payed the difference for
a
> > 451 which I'm happy with for the application.
> >
> > Don't know what their other mics are like.
> >
> > Martin
>
> My opinion: the SD ADKs are unfortunatley way below the LD models in terms
> of quality, sound and specifications.
>
> The problem is the capsules - there still isn't one good SD capsule
> currently available from China.
>
> Again, in my opinion...
>
> JP
>
>

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JP Gerard <jpgerard@skynet.be> wrote:
>
>My opinion: the SD ADKs are unfortunatley way below the LD models in terms
>of quality, sound and specifications.
>
>The problem is the capsules - there still isn't one good SD capsule
>currently available from China.

The Feilo-style large diaphragm capsules, which the ADK folks are using,
are based vaguely on the U87 design with some simplification to make them
easier to build.

The small diaphragm capsules are really pretty bizarre designs that do
not seem to be designed so much as just thrown together. This is made
more of an issue in that tensioning the small diaphragm capsules is both
more difficult and more critical than than large ones.

I'd really like to sit down and talk with the guy who did the small diaphragm
design, which is also a comparatively recent development there.

>Again, in my opinion...

Well, you're biased. So am I, for that matter.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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And what about AT SD condensers? AT is another brand we do not see very
often in Italy. I only tried the 4040 (I like it on the kick drum). Can you
tell me something about the 4041 and 4051a mics?
F


"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> JP Gerard <jpgerard@skynet.be> wrote:
> >
> >My opinion: the SD ADKs are unfortunatley way below the LD models in
terms
> >of quality, sound and specifications.
> >
> >The problem is the capsules - there still isn't one good SD capsule
> >currently available from China.
>
> The Feilo-style large diaphragm capsules, which the ADK folks are using,
> are based vaguely on the U87 design with some simplification to make them
> easier to build.
>
> The small diaphragm capsules are really pretty bizarre designs that do
> not seem to be designed so much as just thrown together. This is made
> more of an issue in that tensioning the small diaphragm capsules is both
> more difficult and more critical than than large ones.
>
> I'd really like to sit down and talk with the guy who did the small
diaphragm
> design, which is also a comparatively recent development there.
>
> >Again, in my opinion...
>
> Well, you're biased. So am I, for that matter.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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Federico <plokmichael@tiscali.it> wrote:
>And what about AT SD condensers? AT is another brand we do not see very
>often in Italy. I only tried the 4040 (I like it on the kick drum). Can you
>tell me something about the 4041 and 4051a mics?

The 4051 is a very good microphone. The 4053 is the same mike with a
hypercardioid capsule, and the hypercardioid is a little more accurate
off-axis than the cardioid.

The Josephson Series Four is maybe a little more accurate on the top
end, and with a wider pattern than the 4053, for about the same price.
Given the two I'd tend to go to the Josephson, but the 4053 is quite
a respectable performer.

The 4041 didn't impress me at all, really. But give it a listen and see.

I think the nearest Josephson dealer is KMR in London, but there has
to be a stocking A-T dealer in Italy somewhere that will let you audition
them. I think Cinecitta has a bunch of the Josephsons but booking an
hour there to try them out may not be so cheap any more.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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JP Gerard <jpgerard@skynet.be> wrote:
>> The small diaphragm capsules are really pretty bizarre designs that do
>> not seem to be designed so much as just thrown together. This is made
>> more of an issue in that tensioning the small diaphragm capsules is both
>> more difficult and more critical than than large ones.
>
>Yup, the dipah is glued to a ring. They make boat loads of those.
>Then they grab the ring+diaph assemblies, slide them in the capsule head,
>drop the backplate in and lock it all up by screwing a ring at the back.
>It's cheap for a reason.

This assembly method is also used for some fairly respectable microphones
like the SM-81, as well as for most back-electret designs. The problem
is that making those ring+diaphragm assemblies isn't all that easy and
the backplate needs to be super-flat and super-accurately spaced.

>Well, I guess the idea itself isn't bad, the design team had to come up with
>a way to make the things cheap... and they work, but forget about
>consistency.
>I can see humidty sensitivy becoming a problem with age...
>BTW I don't think they spentmuch time on the acoustics of the head...

Yes, the body acoustics are what really worries me about those... even
if you could make the diaphragm and backplate properly, I don't think
you'd be happy.
--scott


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> This assembly method is also used for some fairly respectable microphones
> like the SM-81, as well as for most back-electret designs. The problem
> is that making those ring+diaphragm assemblies isn't all that easy and
> the backplate needs to be super-flat and super-accurately spaced.

Exactly, and what I saw was far from satisfactory.

> Yes, the body acoustics are what really worries me about those... even
> if you could make the diaphragm and backplate properly, I don't think
> you'd be happy.

Right, and I still don't understand why on some of those capsules, there's
about 1/2" between the diaph. and the head grille... with nothing in
between.

It's all really weird.

JP

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Interesting.

I didn't even know ADK made a measurement mic.

I'll investigate.

JP

"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> a écrit dans le message de
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>
> In article <dbqq9v$n49$1@panix2.panix.com> kludge@panix.com writes:
>
> > The Feilo-style large diaphragm capsules, which the ADK folks are using,
> > are based vaguely on the U87 design with some simplification to make
them
> > easier to build.
> >
> > The small diaphragm capsules are really pretty bizarre designs that do
> > not seem to be designed so much as just thrown together.
>
> > I'd really like to sit down and talk with the guy who did the small
diaphragm
> > design, which is also a comparatively recent development there.
>
> My friendly local dealer has found that a new measurement mic from ADK
> is a good performer. He's recommending that to people who are using
> the SMAART software. Apparently it was designed by a new designer, and
> ADK liked it enough so that they're having him rework some of their
> other mic designs. There may be hope.
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

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Ty, can I just say that your site is excellent. That was a great demo of the
AT 2020, also.

Keep up the good work!