like many others i have often asked the question "which sounds better?"
and usually people come back with the sound is subjective argument.
which i agree with. my idea is that perhaps people could use a
reference to some popular work describing the sound. for example,
"these converters sound kinda harsh like the cymbols on the album
frying bacon by johnny and the 8 bits." that way someone can go to
itunes and take a listen for themselves hopefully remoing some of the
subjectivity. i know i know. its more work, but may be helpful.
i-tunes doesn't give you the same kind of fidelity (especially on your
example... cymbals). Also, how it sounds will depend on what you're
listening on.
Too many variables to make this a non-starter. A better approach is to
compile a universal list of well recorded, well engineered, good sounding
albums, and a list of badly recorded, badly engineered, bad sounding albums
in all genres, then you go out and buy a bunch of each that fit your genre,
and test the speakers to see which ones YOU like the sound of best, and
check that the bad albums do in fact still sound bad. The latter, obviously
because if it all sounds good, its not a true representation, and is not
going to help you as an engineer.
Unfortunately, there is also a flaw in my plan. No one would be able to
agree on a list.
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> like many others i have often asked the question "which sounds better?"
> and usually people come back with the sound is subjective argument.
> which i agree with. my idea is that perhaps people could use a
> reference to some popular work describing the sound. for example,
> "these converters sound kinda harsh like the cymbols on the album
> frying bacon by johnny and the 8 bits." that way someone can go to
> itunes and take a listen for themselves hopefully remoing some of the
> subjectivity. i know i know. its more work, but may be helpful.
>
well, i am impressed by how well good recordings translate to mp3s
actually. i know not all mp3 conversion is the same even at the same
kbs. to me good albums sound good as mp3s as well. same for bad ones. i
guess i'm talking about a sonic signature.
i've heard that good monitors are in part due to the listeners ability
to "know" how they sound and how material will translate from them. and
i have heard (and strongly agree) that doing a a/b with your mix and a
well recorded album is helpful.
but look, i'm only a few years into this stuff and who knows if my ears
are good. i just wish there was a better vocabulary or reference so
that one person could better define there idea of good sound. i for one
think radioheads ok computer and the flaming lips yoshimi battles the
pink robots sound great. but, they do not sound natural to me. to me
there are lots of motown reccords that have that natural sound to them.
cporro <cporro@gmail.com> wrote:
>like many others i have often asked the question "which sounds better?"
>and usually people come back with the sound is subjective argument.
>which i agree with. my idea is that perhaps people could use a
>reference to some popular work describing the sound. for example,
>"these converters sound kinda harsh like the cymbols on the album
>frying bacon by johnny and the 8 bits." that way someone can go to
>itunes and take a listen for themselves hopefully remoing some of the
>subjectivity. i know i know. its more work, but may be helpful.
Stereophile did a glossary some years ago to give people a basic reference
list of subjective terms that would mean similar things to different people.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Stereophile did a glossary some years ago to give people a
> basic reference list of subjective terms that would mean
> similar things to different people.
It was written by J. Gordon Holt and was published in 1993.
You can find the subjective glossary in the magazine's free
on-line archives at http://www.stereophile.com/reference/50
>i-tunes doesn't give you the same kind of fidelity (especially on your
>example... cymbals). Also, how it sounds will depend on what you're
>listening on.
>
>Too many variables to make this a non-starter. A better approach is to
>compile a universal list of well recorded, well engineered, good sounding
>albums, and a list of badly recorded, badly engineered, bad sounding albums
>in all genres, then you go out and buy a bunch of each that fit your genre,
>and test the speakers to see which ones YOU like the sound of best, and
>check that the bad albums do in fact still sound bad. The latter, obviously
>because if it all sounds good, its not a true representation, and is not
>going to help you as an engineer.
>
>Unfortunately, there is also a flaw in my plan. No one would be able to
>agree on a list.
Well, a lot of us used the rec.audio.pro compilations to define some
sounds in the past, and we all seemed to agree that some of the sounds
on those compilation sets served as standards (or at least high marks)
to shoot for.
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