it takes two, but it sucks to be you...

so let me ask you something... but first i'm going to say it scares me.

i'm talking about schooling here in the states. so lets say you have a child and its ready to go to school. how comfortable would you feel?


here is whats on my mind; i'm thinking home schooling. it scares me shitless knowing what kids learn in schools these days. with home schooling, on one hand you get high quality education and a controlled environment. on the other hand, you don't get the socialization you would in a school. i'm thankful for some of that, however. i'm thinking it best to home school your child all the way to college. depending how well i, as a parent do, i might even consider high school?

i don't know a lot of things, but one thing i know is the school system is fubar through high school here in the states. now of course that is also opinionated, but thats all that matters. i believe all the material that is covered in school in the 8 hours can be covered in 3 if the child is home schooled. i see it as a major waste of time. i think it better to send your child to classes like music or marshal arts classes instead of waste their time in midle or high school or even before that.

i've seen 4 year olds say things that even i don't. i don't want my child in that kind of environment. oh yeah, and absolutely no TV. one quick example i can remember is the other day i was watching speed vision, great program. al of the sudden it goes to commercials and its advertising these hotlines you can call and speak to sluts... whatever. there were women in their bras dancing and doing crap children should see. my cousin is 7 years old. schit!

so what i'm thinking is if my child wants to watch something on tv, he/she can go to the library and pick out what he/she wants on a dvd and once its approved, he/she can watch it. you know, i totally don't have a problem if my child sees boobs, pussy, dick or whatever, but it better be about education of the human anatomy. and even internet is jacked up... look what its done to me . 20-30 mins of internet a day, with the parent watching, but once the child is no longer a child, ... well, got to let go sometime, eh?

there is [-peep-] i have forgotten to mention, but i just want to see what you guys think. be nice.

i want to know what you guys think and what your opinion is, not to hear what you have to say and criticize you, so please do the same for all, eh? kind of like a poll...


</font color=red><b><font color=orange>GOD BLESS GERMANY<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by scamtrOn on 09/02/04 02:35 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

i probably wont put my kids into public schools.


even if they do become a little socially awkward, at least they wont have any blithering idiot teachers, and other kids that deserve to be in jail influencing their growth

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Who has the time to home school their children?
Most parent work full time jobs these days(both of them), and not all public schools are bad.

You dont have much to worry about. Phial and Wingding went to public schools, and they turned out ok!

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OH FUKC!!!!!

thanks for the info, i've made up my mind.

</font color=red><b><font color=orange>GOD BLESS GERMANY

Well, Scammy, from what I've seen in my life, public schools are good.. There's good & bad in every school. Depends on what your child wants to get into..

My Son's went to one of the toughest HS in the area. A lot of people moved out of the neighborhood, so their kids didn't have to go there. However my boys were into sports. The oldest diving (Ranked 4th in the state his Sen. year). My youngest was football. They never had one problem. As a matter of fact, a school that size has a lot of advantages in what they can offer.

Now on the other hand. I saw guys come in the service from down south, that had never left the farm. They thought what happened on TV was, well just TV.. These guys were babes in the wood when it came to social interaction.. They would go to town with their pay & get ripped off.. Things would happen to them, that I really felt sorry about, for them. They just weren't able to deal with the world as it is, I thought, myself.

To me, book learning is for teachers to teach.. Common sense, safety, morality & being able to take care of yourself in any give situation, is the parents responsibility. At least that's how I see it..




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Nope, that's complete BS.
1.) My stepkid quit riding her bike to school back in 5th or 6th grade because you couldn't look cool on a bike
2.) She never wore anything heavier than a windbreaker for over 2 years because coats weren't cool.
3.) She never buttoned or zipped her jacket because that wasn't cool

If you go on from there:
1.) She'd probably have sex with a popular person just to gain credentials.
2.) She DID have sex with a black guy twice her age just to make her REAL dad angry.
3.) She started occupying herself with so many "cool" things in school that she couldn't meat her other obligations.

You might argue that these actions are just short term behaviors, it won't damage her personality in the long run. But if she FAILS SCHOOL, GETS PREGNANT, or GETS AN STD, it WILL limit her future, and having doors closed WILL affect her personality.

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I have to agree with snorky on this.

It's not that it's easy to raise a smart kid, especially if you're not that smart yourself. It's not a matter of enforcing your will on the child btw, that is what probably made it wrong in the first place. It is about explaining why you feel strongly on issues as a parent, and to make your child understand your position. And of course you have to have basic understanding of a child of a certain age can and cannot understand and adapt your explanation to the appropriate level. Also leave enough room for your kid to make their own decisions on any number of issues that are of interest to them.

In case of a seemingly unsurmountable conflict, make them participate in the solution. Explain what is bothering you, and then they can help in thinking up a way to work around your objections. If they cannot come up with a reasonable way, they will be much more inclined to accept the outcome (still age dependent of course but really works well on most age groups, certainly if they go to school).



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Simple. Put your kids in honors classes in publix schools. That way they'll be around other kids that have good homes and good parents that actually care about the child's education and future.

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All I'm saying is that with proper parenting public school should not be a problem for any child.

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I don't have any friends left from high school.
Except for a couple friends but we started hanging out after we graduated.
I didn't like grade school/middle school. I liked high school because the teachers didn't care who you were. You could show up to class and learn what the teacher had to offer or you didn't have to and become a dumb ass.
I chose to take what the teachers had to offer and it worked for me.
I got picked on in school but when I remember back to that time everyone was picked on in one way or another.

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With all due respect, blaming society is BS. In this case as you describe it is obviously a failure of at least one of the parents (having shared custody). You cannot blame society for that. There may be reason for disappointment in the court system, that much is clear, but just blaming society for that is pointless. Just as pointless as complaining why society is not handing you a job.

What many people seem to forget is that once you have children, there is no way you will ever be able to rid yourself of a relationship with your (ex-)spouse. You will always be the father and mother of your children and so you will have some sort of a relationship and it is your obligation as a parent to make it work for the well being of your kids.

Next question of course is what to do when one or both of the parents are forsaking their obligation, but primary blame must go to the parents for forsaking these obligations to begin with, not society.


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A couple things that I've learned over the last year.

1. You will have to move to get a decent job most of the time.
2. Getting a better than average job isn't about what you know, but who you know.
3. Once you have that job, you better damn well produce and be better than the next guy.

I moved, got a job, and moved again to get a promotion. I have consistantly had to drive over 30 miles one way to my work. If I decide to take on another job this next year, and hopefully my final career, I'll have to move again. Two years after that I'll have to move once again.

When I go to work I don't just go to work, I go to WORK. I figure that as long as I'm there I might as well really kick ass. I don't slack off unless there is really nothing to do.

Just my two cents.

In the end though just do what makes you happy.

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That's one of the reasons I think home schooling is a bad idea, not because of connections you make in school, but because of the social skills one can learn while battling your way through the school caste-system.

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You're not helping

#1 I started out with money and looked all over the nation, traveled a lot, and ran out of money. That's why I'm only applying to companies in my state, I no longer have the money to move and nobody's offering relocation.

#2 is the killer. I don't know anyone.

I have an excellent record of working harder than everyone else, that's how I kept my driving job 7 years ago when everyone was getting laid off. "We're laying off all employees with less than xx days in". I'd go to the boss and say "You really need me" after getting my notice, he'd move my shift. Happened 3 times. Even when ALL shifts were down for building maintenance I got a job on the maintenance crew.

So it's not about my work ethic, it's about not finding a job.

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That's the worst part about being a hero...the secret identity.

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Society in general doesn't owe any specific person a job, but it IS give and take: Society has to provide adequate opportunities for employment or rising unemployment will cause economic downfall. Economic downfall will cause people who already have jobs to loose them.

We have programs for job training, that's it. It only works when jobs are available in the field you trained for.

I ran a very successfull home business refurbishing PC's for a local shop until the market fell out. I have a new business but no money to advertise and word of mouth requires me to find at least one customer.

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i'm one of those people who believes good parenting is the solution. where i disagree with you and snork is the method used. crash also makes a good point. society DOES ruin kids. i think you, snork and crash, all, make valid points. points witch should be considered. i believe its the combination of many things. its not exactly like you say it nor does the problem derive from only cause. Surly, some are bigger problems than others, but it seems to me that in the end, i have to take in consideration all of your points.


society, media, schools, friends ect ect... they are all responsible, but at the same time, they are all also needed. the best way i can put it is a parent is a filter. so filter the good schit. the better the parent, the smaller the microns, eh?


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Scamy you don't have a clit and I don't have a clit that only makes farts.

I am into pussy farts but not anal farts. Exit only as they say.

However if we were the last two people on earth and all the sheep died you would be a happy man, a little torn but happy lol.

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thought u needed a job.

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I now know where you came up with the nick.

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Absolutely correct. It does not only mean producing hardware (like planes or cars or machines), it can also be producing high tech idea that can be licensed to cheap production centers. But in order to do that you need to stay in front in research and whether it's possible to generate enough national income from technology licensing without the production part, I frankly doubt.

This means there's only 2 solutions really. Solution 1 is either american workers will become cheaper or producing better quality for the same buck. If the net costs over the economic lifecycle of a product is better then you will be able to sell your products even though the initial purchasing costs are higher than the competition's.

Solution 2: protect your internal market. This solution is not very desirable (because it will result in other countries taking counter measures) unless your internal market can be fully self supporting, which is not the case for the US at the moment. Also this will not be good for (political) stability in the world.

The missing bit in this equation is the effect of money. Over the last century the US (banks and individuals) made a lot of money, and this money is invested all over the world. I suppose this is delaying the process of economic degradation that would be rather apparent otherwise. If other economies become very succesfull, the US (not necessarily all its inhabitants) will still benefit from that. This is one of the reasons why the chinese are very careful with how they allow foreign investors in their country as they do not want to compromise their independance.

In the end I tend to agree with your analysis (that a healthy economy cannot be based on services only) which means that in the longer term the US needs to cut down on average living standards, as to get it matched up with national production (probably through a combination of solution 1 and 2).

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So what you're saying is an ideal "produce overseas, provide services at home" where both workers from abroad and Americans would benefit?

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Hi Scammy

My wife Homeschools.

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